We're all disappointed at the lack of unreleased material for the new Around the World in a Day release. But when I started thinking about what known studio vault tracks and live performances can be associated with this era (rather than attacehd to Purple Rain or Parade), I started coming up short. What studio and live tracks could concievably have been part of this project?

leecaldon said:

We're all disappointed at the lack of unreleased material for the new Around the World in a Day release. But when I started thinking about what known studio vault tracks and live performances can be associated with this era (rather than attacehd to Purple Rain or Parade), I started coming up short. What studio and live tracks could concievably have been part of this project?

There is a entire album between Purple Rain and Parade that's unreleased and was shelved or turned into ATWIAD. They could have put those tracks on it (RG, Our Destiny, All Day All night, Teh Dance Electric, Go, Empty room and who knows what else) the ATWIAD long versions of the tracks and teh original recording of ATWIAD. Tehy could have put Prince's verisons of SHeila E., The Family tracks.
The videoshoot and soundcheck/rehaersal for America, teh 85 Birthday show

Why do you lot keep rehashing topics that have been done to death mere months ago?

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https://prince.org/msg/7/471555

bizzie said:

Why do you lot keep rehashing topics that have been done to death mere months ago?

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https://prince.org/msg/7/471555

I don't know about the others, but I do it to get a response from you.

JorisE73 said:

leecaldon said:

We're all disappointed at the lack of unreleased material for the new Around the World in a Day release. But when I started thinking about what known studio vault tracks and live performances can be associated with this era (rather than attacehd to Purple Rain or Parade), I started coming up short. What studio and live tracks could concievably have been part of this project?

There is a entire album between Purple Rain and Parade that's unreleased and was shelved or turned into ATWIAD. They could have put those tracks on it (RG, Our Destiny, All Day All night, Teh Dance Electric, Go, Empty room and who knows what else) the ATWIAD long versions of the tracks and teh original recording of ATWIAD. Tehy could have put Prince's verisons of SHeila E., The Family tracks.
The videoshoot and soundcheck/rehaersal for America, teh 85 Birthday show

Our Destiny/Roadhouse Garden and The Dance Electric have already been released on the PR SE - and will presumably end up on there in better quality next time around. Empty Room was recorded months after ATWIAD was released, in the middle of the 'Parade sessions'. The same with Go.

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The others you mentioned are the beginning of something.

[Edited 9/15/25 18:10pm]

leecaldon said:

bizzie said:

Why do you lot keep rehashing topics that have been done to death mere months ago?

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https://prince.org/msg/7/471555

I don't know about the others, but I do it to get a response from you.

He is so easily triggered.

leecaldon said:

bizzie said:

Why do you lot keep rehashing topics that have been done to death mere months ago?

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https://prince.org/msg/7/471555

I don't know about the others, but I do it to get a response from you.

They could have included these live versions:

1. The Ladder from the Lovesexy soundcheck

2. Raspberry Beret 1982/1983 version

Trufunksoulja said:

They could have included these live versions:

1. The Ladder from the Lovesexy soundcheck

2. Raspberry Beret 1982/1983 version

Or several versions of "The Ladder" that were done at rehearsal during the "Purple Rain" tour such as "The Homecoming" shows in Minneapolis in December of 1984 which were played at celebration this past June and would fit in with the ATWIAD timeline.

Ndorphinmachina said:

Live studio takes. Live versions. Rehearsals. Demos

That's a bit non-specific

Trufunksoulja said:

They could have included these live versions:

1. The Ladder from the Lovesexy soundcheck

2. Raspberry Beret 1982/1983 version

Good calls.

Forgive me if this is a dumb question, but what about the following tracks. I believe these were all recorded in 1985:

- Evolsidog
- Others Here With Us
- Come Elktra Tuesday
- Heaven

- Call Of The Wild

I realize the last 3 were recorded just after ATWIAD was released, so maybe they'd go better on a Parade SDE?

[Edited 9/15/25 21:16pm]

In my opinion, it makes sense to start in May/June 84, just after the Apollonia 6 album was completed (with the exception of Happy Birthday Mr Christian, as that was done quite late), through to April 86, when Life Can Be So Nice was tracked.

In terms of studio material, that could include (at least) the following:

• Our Destiny
• Roadhouse Garden
• All Day, All Night
• Susannah's Pajamas (The Family)
• Mutiny (The Family)
• High Fashion (The Family)
• Desire (The Family)
• 100 MPH (Mazerati)
• Slow Love (84 version)
• Nothing Compares 2 U (The Family)
• Yes/Lisa (The Family)
• Miss Understood (The Family)
• She’s Always In My Hair (Different Version)
• The Dance Electric
• The Screams of Passion (The Family)
• Wonderful Ass (Wendy and Lisa version)
• Strange Relationship (84 version)
• Toy Box (Romance 1600)
• Fish Fries
• Dear Michaelangelo (Romance 1600)
• A Love Bizarre (Romance 1600)
• Sister Fate (Romance 1600)
• Merci for The (Romance 1600)
• Romance 1600
• Yellow (Romance 1600)

For early/alternative versions and so on:

• Around the World In A Day
• She's Always In My Hair
• Temptation (soundcheck version)
• The Ladder (soundcheck version)

For live material, the obvious inclusions would be the First Avenue Birthday show and the America shoot.

Regarding the birthday concert, here's a bit of inside info - when the Purple Rain Deluxe was being prepared, Howe supplied files of the concert to be included. They were remastered by Scott Levitin at WEA Studios in January 2017. Based on the notes, it's literally the same as the version we all have - tracking and drop-outs included.

[Edited 9/15/25 22:29pm]

bluegangsta said:

you guys remember when someone streamed the 84 birthday concert on twitch and someone grabbed screenshots but not video (????)

I do

bluegangsta said:

In my opinion, it makes sense to start in May/June 84, just after the Apollonia 6 album was completed (with the exception of Happy Birthday Mr Christian, as that was done quite late), through to April 86, when Life Can Be So Nice was tracked.

In terms of studio material, that could include (at least) the following:

• Our Destiny
• Roadhouse Garden
• All Day, All Night
• Susannah's Pajamas (The Family)
• Mutiny (The Family)
• High Fashion (The Family)
• Desire (The Family)
• 100 MPH (Mazerati)
• Slow Love (84 version)
• Nothing Compares 2 U (The Family)
• Yes/Lisa (The Family)
• Miss Understood (The Family)
• She’s Always In My Hair (Different Version)
• The Dance Electric
• The Screams of Passion (The Family)
• Wonderful Ass (Wendy and Lisa version)
• Strange Relationship (84 version)
• Toy Box (Romance 1600)
• Fish Fries
• Dear Michaelangelo (Romance 1600)
• A Love Bizarre (Romance 1600)
• Sister Fate (Romance 1600)
• Merci for The (Romance 1600)
• Romance 1600
• Yellow (Romance 1600)

For early/alternative versions and so on:

• Around the World In A Day
• She's Always In My Hair
• Temptation (soundcheck version)
• The Ladder (soundcheck version)

For live material, the obvious inclusions would be the First Avenue Birthday show and the America shoot.

Regarding the birthday concert, here's a bit of inside info - when the Purple Rain Deluxe was being prepared, Howe supplied files of the concert to be included. They were remastered by Scott Levitin at WEA Studios in January 2017. Based on the notes, it's literally the same as the version we all have - tracking and drop-outs included.

[Edited 9/15/25 22:29pm]

Perfect.

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Even if we were frugal and said, well maybe not all the Romance 1600 and/or The Family material, there's still enough there to fill 1 CD of vault material along with the live show on another. There's also bound to be at least a few other things we don't know about just like with the previous sets.

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Maybe if the estate wasn't focused on turning the official site in to an Etsy store and of course that damn musical they'd have the ability to figure it out.

The Family and Romance 1600 tracks should be released on separate projects, as protégés albums are albums on their own, too.

But even without those tracks, a full CD of previously unreleased material (studio, soundcheck, live) would have been possible. Easily.

bluegangsta said:

In my opinion, it makes sense to start in May/June 84, just after the Apollonia 6 album was completed (with the exception of Happy Birthday Mr Christian, as that was done quite late), through to April 86, when Life Can Be So Nice was tracked.

In terms of studio material, that could include (at least) the following:

• Our Destiny
• Roadhouse Garden
• All Day, All Night
• Susannah's Pajamas (The Family)
• Mutiny (The Family)
• High Fashion (The Family)
• Desire (The Family)
• 100 MPH (Mazerati)
• Slow Love (84 version)
• Nothing Compares 2 U (The Family)
• Yes/Lisa (The Family)
• Miss Understood (The Family)
• She’s Always In My Hair (Different Version)
• The Dance Electric
• The Screams of Passion (The Family)
• Wonderful Ass (Wendy and Lisa version)
• Strange Relationship (84 version)
• Toy Box (Romance 1600)
• Fish Fries
• Dear Michaelangelo (Romance 1600)
• A Love Bizarre (Romance 1600)
• Sister Fate (Romance 1600)
• Merci for The (Romance 1600)
• Romance 1600
• Yellow (Romance 1600)

For early/alternative versions and so on:

• Around the World In A Day
• She's Always In My Hair
• Temptation (soundcheck version)
• The Ladder (soundcheck version)

For live material, the obvious inclusions would be the First Avenue Birthday show and the America shoot.

Regarding the birthday concert, here's a bit of inside info - when the Purple Rain Deluxe was being prepared, Howe supplied files of the concert to be included. They were remastered by Scott Levitin at WEA Studios in January 2017. Based on the notes, it's literally the same as the version we all have - tracking and drop-outs included.

[Edited 9/15/25 22:29pm]

Hardly any of these are relevant for the Around The World In A Day album though ... If this is all there is, I understand why they chose not to create a superdeluse version of this album - at least when it comes to vault tracks.

Ymaginatif said:

Hardly any of these are relevant for the Around The World In A Day album though ... If this is all there is, I understand why they chose not to create a superdeluse version of this album - at least when it comes to vault tracks.

Recordings from the time period are relevant, they help to put the material in context. The Martika's Kitchen tracks for example aren't relevant to D&P, but they're on that set.

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Not every release has to be a SOTT/D&P sized SDE, but the PR and 1999 sets should be the bare minimum benchmarks.

bluegangsta said:

In my opinion, it makes sense to start in May/June 84, just after the Apollonia 6 album was completed (with the exception of Happy Birthday Mr Christian, as that was done quite late), through to April 86, when Life Can Be So Nice was tracked.

In terms of studio material, that could include (at least) the following:

• Our Destiny
• Roadhouse Garden
• All Day, All Night
• Susannah's Pajamas (The Family)
• Mutiny (The Family)
• High Fashion (The Family)
• Desire (The Family)
• 100 MPH (Mazerati)
• Slow Love (84 version)
• Nothing Compares 2 U (The Family)
• Yes/Lisa (The Family)
• Miss Understood (The Family)
• She’s Always In My Hair (Different Version)
• The Dance Electric
• The Screams of Passion (The Family)
• Wonderful Ass (Wendy and Lisa version)
• Strange Relationship (84 version)
• Toy Box (Romance 1600)
• Fish Fries
• Dear Michaelangelo (Romance 1600)
• A Love Bizarre (Romance 1600)
• Sister Fate (Romance 1600)
• Merci for The (Romance 1600)
• Romance 1600
• Yellow (Romance 1600)

For early/alternative versions and so on:

• Around the World In A Day
• She's Always In My Hair
• Temptation (soundcheck version)
• The Ladder (soundcheck version)

For live material, the obvious inclusions would be the First Avenue Birthday show and the America shoot.

Regarding the birthday concert, here's a bit of inside info - when the Purple Rain Deluxe was being prepared, Howe supplied files of the concert to be included. They were remastered by Scott Levitin at WEA Studios in January 2017. Based on the notes, it's literally the same as the version we all have - tracking and drop-outs included.

[Edited 9/15/25 22:29pm]

i heard the same but that it was about the August 3rd show. WOuld be kind of weird that all the dropouts are intact for the 84 show because the full verison is circualting including the longer breaks between the songs and no dropout in SITW like on the bootleg that they fixed by repeating a part.

olb99 said:

The Family and Romance 1600 tracks should be released on separate projects, as protégés albums are albums on their own, too.

I tend to agree with you,but let's be honest.The estate is never gonna do anything with the protege albums.We'll never get an expanded The Family set...or a 2-CD Romance 1600 set so the only real way to get these tracks is on a Prince SDE.

Ymaginatif said:

Hardly any of these are relevant for the Around The World In A Day album though ... If this is all there is, I understand why they chose not to create a superdeluse version of this album - at least when it comes to vault tracks.

If we're realistic, SDEs of Princes albums are the primary opportunity to release protégé tracks. And frankly, they're better presented within a relevant time period than an Originals-style compilation.

We're not getting expanded editions of The Family or Romance 1600.

Also, it could easily be argued that most of the tracks on all the SDEs released thus far weren't actually relevant to the projects they were tacked onto.

olb99 said:

The Family and Romance 1600 tracks should be released on separate projects, as protégés albums are albums on their own, too.

But even without those tracks, a full CD of previously unreleased material (studio, soundcheck, live) would have been possible. Easily.

SoulAlive said:

olb99 said:

The Family and Romance 1600 tracks should be released on separate projects, as protégés albums are albums on their own, too.

I tend to agree with you,but let's be honest.The estate is never gonna do anything with the protege albums.We'll never get an expanded The Family set...or a 2-CD Romance 1600 set so the only real way to get these tracks is on a Prince SDE.

We don't know that for a fact. I mean yeah, given the direction things seem to be taking, I wouldn't bet on it any time soon, but then again one shouldn't have bet on an ATWIAD SDE with those songs as outtakes either, so in the end, nothing of the sort is being released for the moment... On the long run, who knows, though...

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Now the Estate don't own the masters for Romance 1600 (and possibly not for The Family either), so the main difficulty may lay there, as well as with sharing the profits between themselves, WB and the "official" artists, but with some good will, nothing is impossible on principle.

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Another option would be to release Prince's own version of those entire albums without the final tracks, but on individual projects (Prince's Romance 1600, Prince's The Family, etc.).

It seems such a pipedream as to be moot - If the estate releases a special edition, remastered Romance 1600 with vault tracks etc, I'll paypal everyone replying to this thread ten thousand quid.

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They can't even do it for the double platinum, US Billboard #1 follow up to Purple Rain. Good luck waiting for your Good Question SDE.

bluegangsta said:

Ymaginatif said:

Hardly any of these are relevant for the Around The World In A Day album though ... If this is all there is, I understand why they chose not to create a superdeluse version of this album - at least when it comes to vault tracks.

If we're realistic, SDEs of Princes albums are the primary opportunity to release protégé tracks. And frankly, they're better presented within a relevant time period than an Originals-style compilation.

We're not getting expanded editions of The Family or Romance 1600.

Also, it could easily be argued that most of the tracks on all the SDEs released thus far weren't actually relevant to the projects they were tacked onto.

Who has the rights top these albums? WB or Prince?
When Prince got his masters back was it just his recordings or also the protege acts?
Teh Estate said they were qworking on a reissue fro CHaka Kahn's Come 2 My House and that album hand some handshake deal between Prince, Chaka and Larry so I can imagine they could do a remaster for that one with Chaka and Larry's permission.
I would kill for Sheila E first 3 albums remastered with outtakes and Prince's verisons, or The Family or pretty much all of those protege albums.

lurker316 said:

Forgive me if this is a dumb question, but what about the following tracks. I believe these were all recorded in 1985:

- Evolsidog
- Others Here With Us
- Come Elktra Tuesday
- Heaven

- Call Of The Wild

I realize the last 3 were recorded just after ATWIAD was released, so maybe they'd go better on a Parade SDE?

[Edited 9/15/25 21:16pm]

Others Here With Us seems to sit firmly within the Parade sessions.

JorisE73 said:

bluegangsta said:

If we're realistic, SDEs of Princes albums are the primary opportunity to release protégé tracks. And frankly, they're better presented within a relevant time period than an Originals-style compilation.

We're not getting expanded editions of The Family or Romance 1600.

Also, it could easily be argued that most of the tracks on all the SDEs released thus far weren't actually relevant to the projects they were tacked onto.

Who has the rights top these albums? WB or Prince?
When Prince got his masters back was it just his recordings or also the protege acts?
Teh Estate said they were qworking on a reissue fro CHaka Kahn's Come 2 My House and that album hand some handshake deal between Prince, Chaka and Larry so I can imagine they could do a remaster for that one with Chaka and Larry's permission.
I would kill for Sheila E first 3 albums remastered with outtakes and Prince's verisons, or The Family or pretty much all of those protege albums.

WB definitely definitely owns Sheila E and probably The Family.

Most later Paisley Park records (from circa 1987 onwards) are owned by the Estate, but nothing by A6, V6, The Time or Sheila, and probably not for some other early PP signees such as The Family, Taja, Mazarati, Jill... (source: Alan Leeds, also confirmed by an Edel exec and the fact that Prince was able to rerelease The Voice and Smell My Finger on NPG Records, and was for a short time planning for more rereleases, such as Madhouse). This has nothing to do with when he got his masters back, it was something established between Prince and WB circa 87-86, that further PP signees' records would revert to Prince if the label was ever shut down).

Regarding later NPG Records releases, nothing is known about Jacob Armen, Chaka, Larry, Bria and Judith. Mayte said the Estate owns Child Of The Sun. Tamar said she owns her (unreleased) album, which is confirmed by the indicia. Andy's indicia also suggests she at least co-owns her own album.

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leecaldon said:

lurker316 said:

Forgive me if this is a dumb question, but what about the following tracks. I believe these were all recorded in 1985:

- Evolsidog
- Others Here With Us
- Come Elktra Tuesday
- Heaven

- Call Of The Wild

I realize the last 3 were recorded just after ATWIAD was released, so maybe they'd go better on a Parade SDE?

[Edited 9/15/25 21:16pm]

Others Here With Us seems to sit firmly within the Parade sessions.

Fanmade wish-tracklists are often quite extravagant.

Not that the SDE's tracklists weren't on occasion, but it doesn't help if the most hardcore fans aren't able to be more disciplined.