Period. They don't give a shit about the vault and are only going to use its contents to incentivize folks to keep shelling out $600-1400 for Celebration tickets every summer. The rest of us might get the occasional reissue/remaster with b-sides, but that's it.

We didn't realize just how good we had it back in 2017-2020.

erik319 said:

The estate hasn't had a penny from me since Diamonds & Pearls SDE. They'll not get another penny from me until they release something new from the vault. They'll sell anything other than music with a symbol logo stuck on. Stop buying shit. Stop paying $1500 to hear some vault tracks at a celebration (Prince would be appalled by those prices). The longer you do, the longer it'll be before they release something new.

I'm in the same position as you - I find the celebrations dull (to put it mildly), and their products are zero appealing to me. Haven't spent a single cent on anything they are offering since D&P sde.

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But I'm afraid the estate problem is not their business mindset. It's like they don't get it at all. I have the feeling they couldn't understand an active boycott, they would produce another kind of silly merchandise instead. It's like they are avoiding to touch anything off the vault by any means.

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I'm afraid we're doomed until a new management gets in charge. At least, whoever gets next, couldn't do it worse than the current estate.

They won't get my money,either....unless it's previously unreleased music from the vault.

Agree. I think this is what we should expect for the future. What a let down...

I am ignoring this ATWIAD release. They could've made a special deulxe for us hardcores...the concert from the America video, Family outtakes, alternate version of the title track...and I am sure there are others we don't know about. I have everything on this reissue and don't want a blue splattered record.

I really want to be hopeful, but after the announcement that “the vault is freed “ and the panel on future releases I'm still confused by what is likely to happen and bewildered by what motives are driving it.

The whole “work for hire” thing is also bamboozling; does it mean that everything Prince recorded prior to departing WB retrospectively belongs to them because of a law codified in the 2000s?

As I understand it at the moment, everything that was a movie soundtrack WB still have rights over including Purple Rain, Parade, Graffiti Bridge and Batman. They also could conceivably own any output that was unreleased pre-Emancipation as far as I understand it, and this is deeply unjust.

My guess is that everything has to be agreed on by all these diverse parties, some of whom consider only what was released during his lifetime to be what “he approved”

The whole thing is still very ambiguous.

yeah fuck these guys fire nico and londell and spicer

[Edited 10/25/25 15:46pm]

Poplife88 said:

Poplife88 said:

Agree. I think this is what we should expect for the future. What a let down...

I am ignoring this ATWIAD release. They could've made a special deulxe for us hardcores...the concert from the America video, Family outtakes, alternate version of the title track...and I am sure there are others we don't know about. I have everything on this reissue and don't want a blue splattered record.

YES YES YES omg YES

That full concert from the America video.. of course!

It's so important - it's when we see the transition from ATWIAD into Parade

(ATWIAD songs with Parade clothes is what I am thinking)

The incompetence of the estate is driving me nuts

I feel like my fandom is fading and it kinda hurts, if you know what I mean

I am a Prince fan, it is who I am

And feeling myself starting to fall out is disorienting

I need something to sink my teeth into again

Can't we just start a rebellion at this point?

The symbol stuff just leaked..

We know that certain people have the stuff we want

Someone has to have the America concert for example...

I don' know anything about how it all works... but can't the inner circle just give finger to the estate at this point, and just start leaking the good stuff?

erik319 said:

The estate hasn't had a penny from me since Diamonds & Pearls SDE. They'll not get another penny from me until they release something new from the vault. They'll sell anything other than music with a symbol logo stuck on. Stop buying shit. Stop paying $1500 to hear some vault tracks at a celebration (Prince would be appalled by those prices). The longer you do, the longer it'll be before they release something new.

Prince charged a wide range of prices for his shows. He wasn't always charging a tenner or £31.21.

leecaldon said:

erik319 said:

The estate hasn't had a penny from me since Diamonds & Pearls SDE. They'll not get another penny from me until they release something new from the vault. They'll sell anything other than music with a symbol logo stuck on. Stop buying shit. Stop paying $1500 to hear some vault tracks at a celebration (Prince would be appalled by those prices). The longer you do, the longer it'll be before they release something new.

Prince charged a wide range of prices for his shows. He wasn't always charging a tenner or £31.21.

He sure as hell wasn't charging over $1000 a pop, though

bozojones said:

erik319 said:

bozojones said:

He sure as hell wasn't charging over $1000 a pop, though

Correct. I saw him live at every tour that came to the UK between 1990 and 2014. I never paid more than £90 to see him (and I only paid that once because I'd missed out on the £31.21 3rdeyegirl warm up tour date tickets. He would be disgusted at the greed on display by the estate.

The good front rows at The O2 were about £525/$700 in today's money. Regular seats at the Monaco gigs in 2009 were about £500/$670 inflation-adjusted. The NPGMC seats on the ONA tour in the UK were about £230/$300 (and also required the $100 membership).

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Yes, he was known for charging low prices - but not for every gig, and not for every seat.

leecaldon said:

The 21 Night Stand in Los Angeles was great not only for the cheap seats, but also because -- if you waited until the last minute to buy your tickets -- they'd release the floor seats for the same price.

On two nights I scored front row seats for $25 -- one of those was with Janelle Monae and Stevie Wonder.

leecaldon said:

erik319 said:

bozojones said: Correct. I saw him live at every tour that came to the UK between 1990 and 2014. I never paid more than £90 to see him (and I only paid that once because I'd missed out on the £31.21 3rdeyegirl warm up tour date tickets. He would be disgusted at the greed on display by the estate.

The good front rows at The O2 were about £525/$700 in today's money. Regular seats at the Monaco gigs in 2009 were about £500/$670 inflation-adjusted. The NPGMC seats on the ONA tour in the UK were about £230/$300 (and also required the $100 membership).

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Yes, he was known for charging low prices - but not for every gig, and not for every seat.

And funnily enough, they rarely sold out. That's how I eneded up going to 12 of the main shows. On the day of the show, they went on general sale for £31.21. I initialy bought tickets for 3 or 4 nights when they first went on sale, then the other nights were last minute unsold VIP seats.

DotsofU said:

Poplife88 said:

Agree. I think this is what we should expect for the future. What a let down...

I am ignoring this ATWIAD release. They could've made a special deulxe for us hardcores...the concert from the America video, Family outtakes, alternate version of the title track...and I am sure there are others we don't know about. I have everything on this reissue and don't want a blue splattered record.

YES YES YES omg YES

That full concert from the America video.. of course!

It's so important - it's when we see the transition from ATWIAD into Parade

(ATWIAD songs with Parade clothes is what I am thinking)

The incompetence of the estate is driving me nuts

I feel like my fandom is fading and it kinda hurts, if you know what I mean

I am a Prince fan, it is who I am

And feeling myself starting to fall out is disorienting

I need something to sink my teeth into again

Can't we just start a rebellion at this point?

The symbol stuff just leaked..

We know that certain people have the stuff we want

Someone has to have the America concert for example...

I don' know anything about how it all works... but can't the inner circle just give finger to the estate at this point, and just start leaking the good stuff?

I told u guys this on 4-22-2016

This Estate is 100% trash.

paisleyparkgirl said:

DotsofU said:

YES YES YES omg YES

That full concert from the America video.. of course!

It's so important - it's when we see the transition from ATWIAD into Parade

(ATWIAD songs with Parade clothes is what I am thinking)

The incompetence of the estate is driving me nuts

I feel like my fandom is fading and it kinda hurts, if you know what I mean

I am a Prince fan, it is who I am

And feeling myself starting to fall out is disorienting

I need something to sink my teeth into again

Can't we just start a rebellion at this point?

The symbol stuff just leaked..

We know that certain people have the stuff we want

Someone has to have the America concert for example...

I don' know anything about how it all works... but can't the inner circle just give finger to the estate at this point, and just start leaking the good stuff?

I love listening to new Prince stuff just like the next Prince fan but you should be grateful there's so much material. Not all fandoms get this privilege and if you're fandom is "fading" because you're not content with the existing material Prince has left us, then you're not a fan in the first place.

Excuse you?

Don't tell me I'm not a fan in the first place - who the fuck are you?

Serioulsy - you are a fucking asshole

and it's people like you that suck the life out of the org

fuck you

lustmealways said:

Gooddoctor23 said:

I told u guys this on 4-22-2016

This Estate is 100% trash.

We didn't know who the Estate would be then.

leecaldon said:

Gooddoctor23 said:

I told u guys this on 4-22-2016

This Estate is 100% trash.

We didn't know who the Estate would be then.

I did........

I have no idea where to dig for recently released bootlegs from Prince these days. Although I would love to have them I'm tired of digging. I'm old. Give them to me on CD or LP. Just about done with this estate. Sorry, Prince.

AvocadosMax said:

I miss Michael Howe. He wasn’t perfect, no one is. But he delivered. And he cared about the fans and Prince’s legacy

Yeah, I miss his enthusiasm. He was so excited about finding that piano rehearsal cassette tape from 1983 that he decided to release it. On CD. And vinyl. That was naive (and incompetent, at some level), but he actually cared about something. That's the thing missing with the current Estate: someone who cares.

olb99 said:

AvocadosMax said:

I miss Michael Howe. He wasn’t perfect, no one is. But he delivered. And he cared about the fans and Prince’s legacy

Yeah, I miss his enthusiasm. He was so excited about finding that piano rehearsal cassette tape from 1983 that he decided to release it. On CD. And vinyl. That was naive (and incompetent, at some level), but he actually cared about something. That's the thing missing with the current Estate: someone who cares.

I think they do care, they just don't care about what fans want, much like Prince didn't.