Finally, after the Live on Twitch SCHKOPI (FRENCH FORUM) and the cross-checking of the news: we now know that we will be entitled to an expanded or Deluxe album by ATWIAD or on the model of the Purple Rain Deluxe of 2017! Because, according to the State (especially McMillan and Spicer Jr)

There are not SDE to come but just expanded editions as the 2017 PR Deluxe it seems from Mc Millan & Spicer words !

I won't believe that this set will see an actual release until a date is announced, and we see promo pics of the actual product. Until then, this is just a hypothetical along with all the other sets that have been collecting dust.

With regards to an ATWIAD SDE...

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Although, as a collector, I prefer the album-sized packages, like SOTT or D&P... if ATWIAD was like the 1999 SDE, I'd be perfectly happy with that format.

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The remastered album, a disc of B-sides and remixes, 1 or 2 discs of Vault tracks (people keep saying that there aren't enough Vault tracks to justify an SDE, but there have to be enough for at least 1 CD), and maybe a live show, in a clamshell box with a thick booklet... I'd be delighted. It would fit alongside my Smashing Pumpkins and REM SDEs.

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One deal-breaker: the booklet had better be legible! Don't get fancy, just put clean black text on a white background. I'm 59, and that red-on-purple tiny font 1999 booklet almost gave me an aneurysm!

bozojones said:

So lemme get this straight: they only provided a buncha ideas without any actual plans.

I am not that surprised though as the Estate is balls deep in PR the Musical and they do not know how to handle the Legacy.

And again they are stating that it is hard to do SDEs and it costs a lot of money blablabla.

Where was Primal Wave, shouldn't they also be there on the stage presenting these ideas.

Basically: the Estate is talking loud and saying nothing.

Ideas

1. ATWIAD expanded ed.

2. NPG Music Club

3. Parade SDE & Cellie 2026

4. PR the musical movie

5. Documentaries

6. Musical movie by the Coogler

7. HipHop remixes/whatever to cater to a younger audience

8. Tubi concert releases

9. HitnRun 1 & 2 Vinyl

9. Release cadence: single drops, expanded ed., 1x SDE (Brilliant! like the previous Estate )

etc.

love2thenines2003 said:

Finally, after the Live on Twitch SCHKOPI (FRENCH FORUM) and the cross-checking of the news: we now know that we will be entitled to an expanded or Deluxe album by ATWIAD or on the model of the Purple Rain Deluxe of 2017! Because, according to the State (especially McMillan and Spicer Jr)

There are not SDE to come but just expanded editions as the 2017 PR Deluxe it seems from Mc Millan & Spicer words !

https://prince.org/msg/7/471596

Trufunksoulja said:

So lemme get this straight: they only provided a buncha ideas without any actual plans.

I am not that surprised though as the Estate is balls deep in PR the Musical and they do not know how to handle the Legacy.

And again they are stating that it is hard to do SDEs and it costs a lot of money blablabla.

Where was Primal Wave, shouldn't they also be there on the stage presenting these ideas.

Basically: the Estate is talking loud and saying nothing.

Ideas

1. ATWIAD expanded ed.

2. NPG Music Club

3. Parade SDE & Cellie 2026

4. PR the musical movie

5. Documentaries

6. Musical movie by the Coogler

7. HipHop remixes/whatever to cater to a younger audience

8. Tubi concert releases

9. HitnRun 1 & 2 Vinyl

9. Release cadence: single drops, expanded ed., 1x SDE (Brilliant! like the previous Estate )

etc.

"And again they are stating that it is hard to do SDEs and it costs a lot of money blablabla."

This wasn't stated.

The list of idea you details, was stated is what they said.

You call it 'talking loud, saying nothing' - what would have been 'saying something' in your view I wonder?

MIRvmn1 said:

I think there will be more SDE but similar to 1999. I guess we have to wait and see.

I hope so, I really don't want stripped down releases with just a small selection of outtajkes. Give us as many from the era/album as possible if only 48% of the vault digitized

mattosgood said:

Trufunksoulja said:

So lemme get this straight: they only provided a buncha ideas without any actual plans.

I am not that surprised though as the Estate is balls deep in PR the Musical and they do not know how to handle the Legacy.

And again they are stating that it is hard to do SDEs and it costs a lot of money blablabla.

Where was Primal Wave, shouldn't they also be there on the stage presenting these ideas.

Basically: the Estate is talking loud and saying nothing.

Ideas

1. ATWIAD expanded ed.

2. NPG Music Club

3. Parade SDE & Cellie 2026

4. PR the musical movie

5. Documentaries

6. Musical movie by the Coogler

7. HipHop remixes/whatever to cater to a younger audience

8. Tubi concert releases

9. HitnRun 1 & 2 Vinyl

9. Release cadence: single drops, expanded ed., 1x SDE (Brilliant! like the previous Estate )

etc.

"And again they are stating that it is hard to do SDEs and it costs a lot of money blablabla."

This wasn't stated.

The list of idea you details, was stated is what they said.

You call it 'talking loud, saying nothing' - what would have been 'saying something' in your view I wonder?

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Basically what they said barely amounts to more than nothing. It was all just vague promises and ideas. Even the little bit of info they shared ("45% of the vault is digitised") is meaningless, because they didn't share what kind of material makes up the bulk of that 45%. 45% of rehearsal VHS tapes? 45% of the entire vault that includes not just audio but video, film, photo and personal documents too? Did they prioritize eg. the finished masters, or the mixdown tapes, or the multitracks, or the videos, or the concert tapes etc? We still have no idea where they stand with archiving the actual MUSIC. Perhaps half of that "45%" is just rehearsal tapes.
Or they could also mean that "45% of the vault ITEMS are archived, regardless of whether it's a 4-min tape or a hard drive with a hundred hours of concert recordings. So if they leave the HDDs for the end and only count the number of items, it could mean that in terms of total playing time of all recordings in the vault, they barely archived 5% yet. So their statement means NOTHING.

mattosgood said:

Trufunksoulja said:

So lemme get this straight: they only provided a buncha ideas without any actual plans.

I am not that surprised though as the Estate is balls deep in PR the Musical and they do not know how to handle the Legacy.

And again they are stating that it is hard to do SDEs and it costs a lot of money blablabla.

Where was Primal Wave, shouldn't they also be there on the stage presenting these ideas.

Basically: the Estate is talking loud and saying nothing.

Ideas

1. ATWIAD expanded ed.

2. NPG Music Club

3. Parade SDE & Cellie 2026

4. PR the musical movie

5. Documentaries

6. Musical movie by the Coogler

7. HipHop remixes/whatever to cater to a younger audience

8. Tubi concert releases

9. HitnRun 1 & 2 Vinyl

9. Release cadence: single drops, expanded ed., 1x SDE (Brilliant! like the previous Estate )

etc.

"And again they are stating that it is hard to do SDEs and it costs a lot of money blablabla."

This wasn't stated.

The list of idea you details, was stated is what they said.

You call it 'talking loud, saying nothing' - what would have been 'saying something' in your view I wonder?

I hope you're at least getting paid for all of this glazing

MIRvmn1 said:

alandail said:

Didn't Prince say there were full, completed albums in the vault? How has it been 9 years without any of them being released? It seemed such an obvious thing ot do, release the full unrleased completed albums.

How has it been 9 years and even acutal released material isn't avaialbe. the NPG albums, the Beautiful Experience EP, etc.

Newpower Soul was effectively a Prince album.

There's an estimate of around 40 unreleased albums in the vault, some with finished artwork. They could've released Rave Unto The Joy Fantastic (1989) instead of the pointless Piano and Microphone 1983 release in 2018 for example. [Edited 6/14/25 16:21pm]

40 unreleased albums?

Or simply 40 albums worth of material? Seems to me I've heard more along the lines of the latter.

I suspect that any true, unreleased gems are few and far between. As we've seen with the SDEs thus far, there's been very little that wasn't already known about and/or bootlegged. And most of it isn't as good as what made the proper albums -- for a reason.

So I think people hoping there's some amazing, top quality, unreleased album sitting in the vault are going to be disappointed.

Personally, I've been largely pleased with the releases thus far. (We all have our "it would've been better if..." complaints) I'm happy just to get the bootlegged stuff in pristine quality in nice sets I can keep forever and anything above and beyond that? Bonus!

keywiz said:

I suspect that any true, unreleased gems are few and far between. As we've seen with the SDEs thus far, there's been very little that wasn't already known about and/or bootlegged. And most of it isn't as good as what made the proper albums -- for a reason.

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yawn

bozojones said:

mattosgood said:

"And again they are stating that it is hard to do SDEs and it costs a lot of money blablabla."

This wasn't stated.

The list of idea you details, was stated is what they said.

You call it 'talking loud, saying nothing' - what would have been 'saying something' in your view I wonder?

I hope you're at least getting paid for all of this glazing

glazing how?

If you mean highlighting what was actually said, versus what wasn't, then no I'm doing it pro bono publico, as I happen to believe in facts, the truth and very much buy into these lyrics from Prince:

"Ain't nothing ever come from complaining, Xcept a bitter heart, that's true"

but each to their own.

Kares said:

mattosgood said:

"And again they are stating that it is hard to do SDEs and it costs a lot of money blablabla."

This wasn't stated.

The list of idea you details, was stated is what they said.

You call it 'talking loud, saying nothing' - what would have been 'saying something' in your view I wonder?

.
Basically what they said barely amounts to more than nothing. It was all just vague promises and ideas. Even the little bit of info they shared ("45% of the vault is digitised") is meaningless, because they didn't share what kind of material makes up the bulk of that 45%. 45% of rehearsal VHS tapes? 45% of the entire vault that includes not just audio but video, film, photo and personal documents too? Did they prioritize eg. the finished masters, or the mixdown tapes, or the multitracks, or the videos, or the concert tapes etc? We still have no idea where they stand with archiving the actual MUSIC. Perhaps half of that "45%" is just rehearsal tapes.
Or they could also mean that "45% of the vault ITEMS are archived, regardless of whether it's a 4-min tape or a hard drive with a hundred hours of concert recordings. So if they leave the HDDs for the end and only count the number of items, it could mean that in terms of total playing time of all recordings in the vault, they barely archived 5% yet. So their statement means NOTHING.

The worst of all is to know a sort of fact' that 45 % of whatever is done.

And that's very very very little after 10 years.

love2thenines2003 said:

Some said...they have spoken directly to Spicer-and McMillan at the Celebration, they said no more SDE....others used the word expanded edition instead...there will be other releases but as expanded edition...what does that means...well it is obvious there will not be other deluxe editions like the ones released under the Comerica Era....for sure there will be other editions so called=>Deluxe or expanded or even Super Deluxe but not like we used to buy these previous years....I do think and it is just an opinion...the new releases will be closer to 1999 SDE than any other ones to be considered..I guess we know more around September for the 1st promo teasings of ATWIAD expanded edition...if not ...this will be another bad sign for us that something is wrong ? We'll see [Edited 6/18/25 12:51pm] [Edited 6/18/25 12:52pm]

From what i get, the shape will be closer to PR2017.

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Something close to 1999 SDE would really be the best size we can hope for but i don't hold my breath for it.

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All in all, we'll get less music. Obviously, they have no idea how to run/monetize such a massive Vault.

love2thenines2003 said:

Some said...they have spoken directly to Spicer-and McMillan at the Celebration, they said no more SDE....others used the word expanded edition instead...there will be other releases but as expanded edition...what does that means...well it is obvious there will not be other deluxe editions like the ones released under the Comerica Era....for sure there will be other editions so called=>Deluxe or expanded or even Super Deluxe but not like we used to buy these previous years....I do think and it is just an opinion...the new releases will be closer to 1999 SDE than any other ones to be considered..I guess we know more around September for the 1st promo teasings of ATWIAD expanded edition...if not ...this will be another bad sign for us that something is wrong ? We'll see [Edited 6/18/25 12:51pm] [Edited 6/18/25 12:52pm]

The bit I highlighted is what worries me the most. Perhaps they just plan to get away with a remastered ATWIAD and a bonus disc with all the B-sides and extended versions from the 12"s, and there you are! Maybe at best they'd throw a bone like "4 The Tears In Your Eyes" from the We Are The World album and that's your remastered, repackaged in multiple formats and expanded edition. Hope I'm totally wrong and there'd be at least some previously unreleased stuff anyhow, be it audio or video.

mattosgood said:

Trufunksoulja said:

So lemme get this straight: they only provided a buncha ideas without any actual plans.

I am not that surprised though as the Estate is balls deep in PR the Musical and they do not know how to handle the Legacy.

And again they are stating that it is hard to do SDEs and it costs a lot of money blablabla.

Where was Primal Wave, shouldn't they also be there on the stage presenting these ideas.

Basically: the Estate is talking loud and saying nothing.

Ideas

1. ATWIAD expanded ed.

2. NPG Music Club

3. Parade SDE & Cellie 2026

4. PR the musical movie

5. Documentaries

6. Musical movie by the Coogler

7. HipHop remixes/whatever to cater to a younger audience

8. Tubi concert releases

9. HitnRun 1 & 2 Vinyl

9. Release cadence: single drops, expanded ed., 1x SDE (Brilliant! like the previous Estate )

etc.

"And again they are stating that it is hard to do SDEs and it costs a lot of money blablabla."

This wasn't stated.

The list of idea you details, was stated is what they said.

You call it 'talking loud, saying nothing' - what would have been 'saying something' in your view I wonder?

IMO An idea is a concept or thought—it’s the starting point, a possibility.

It’s often abstract, open-ended, and lacks a clear structure.

Think of it as a spark of inspiration, like "Hey, what if we relaunch the NPG Music Club?"

A plan turns that idea into reality. It involves structured steps, timelines, resources, and execution strategies. Instead of just saying "We should bring back the NPG Music Club," a plan would outline
when it happens, how it’s structured, and who is responsible for making it happen.

A clear plan ensures that ideas don't just stay ideas.

That is why structured release timelines matter when honoring P's Legacy.

The Estate should have announced this for example:

- ATWIAD expanded ed. release date Fall 2025

-> Vault music compilation completed, will also include B-sides, extended versions and live songs

-> musical input by Wendy & Lisa

-> Duane Tudahl is working on the liner notes

-> Art/Photography input by Laura Lipuma and Doug henders

ETC

love2thenines2003 said:

Some said...they have spoken directly to Spicer-and McMillan at the Celebration, they said no more SDE....others used the word expanded edition instead...there will be other releases but as expanded edition...what does that means...well it is obvious there will not be other deluxe editions like the ones released under the Comerica Era....for sure there will be other editions so called=>Deluxe or expanded or even Super Deluxe but not like we used to buy these previous years....I do think and it is just an opinion...the new releases will be closer to 1999 SDE than any other ones to be considered..I guess we know more around September for the 1st promo teasings of ATWIAD expanded edition...if not ...this will be another bad sign for us that something is wrong ? We'll see [Edited 6/18/25 12:51pm] [Edited 6/18/25 12:52pm]

this might help you:

https://prince.org/msg/7/471596

Trufunksoulja said:

mattosgood said:

"And again they are stating that it is hard to do SDEs and it costs a lot of money blablabla."

This wasn't stated.

The list of idea you details, was stated is what they said.

You call it 'talking loud, saying nothing' - what would have been 'saying something' in your view I wonder?

IMO An idea is a concept or thought—it’s the starting point, a possibility.

It’s often abstract, open-ended, and lacks a clear structure.

Think of it as a spark of inspiration, like "Hey, what if we relaunch the NPG Music Club?"

A plan turns that idea into reality. It involves structured steps, timelines, resources, and execution strategies. Instead of just saying "We should bring back the NPG Music Club," a plan would outline
when it happens, how it’s structured, and who is responsible for making it happen.

A clear plan ensures that ideas don't just stay ideas.

That is why structured release timelines matter when honoring P's Legacy.

The Estate should have announced this for example:

- ATWIAD expanded ed. release date Fall 2025

-> Vault music compilation completed, will also include B-sides, extended versions and live songs

-> musical input by Wendy & Lisa

-> Duane Tudahl is working on the liner notes

-> Art/Photography input by Laura Lipuma and Doug henders

ETC

makes sense, so yes in that context, they have ideas and guideline dates with the rest further down the development schedule, some of which we might see, some we might not, as is the way of these things

Kares said:

keywiz said:

I suspect that any true, unreleased gems are few and far between. As we've seen with the SDEs thus far, there's been very little that wasn't already known about and/or bootlegged. And most of it isn't as good as what made the proper albums -- for a reason.

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yawn

Sorry if you're hoping for more.

It is what it is

keywiz said:

Kares said:

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yawn

Sorry if you're hoping for more.

It is what it is

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You're so wrong.

Kares said:

keywiz said:

Sorry if you're hoping for more.

It is what it is

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You're so wrong.

Don't think so, unfortunately.

But I think the Prince Vault is going to be like the JFK Assassination Files. No matter how much gets released, there will always be people who believe the really good stuff is still being held back.

It's been two weeks. The estate talked about releasing one-off singles (i.e. like the previous "incompetent" regime did). They talked about the vault being free.

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You'd think they'd prove the naysayers wrong by releasing something. Surely in the vault there must be some interesting single that they could have released since then.

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Nope. Nothing nada zilch.

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They're probably still recovering from setting up that plinko "activation" in the Paisley Park parking.

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But why would I expect anything else from people who took four months to release that acoustic version of "Free" and who dared to include it in the listening session at the Celebration.

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Meanwhile others are leaking previously unseen video on various social media platforms. Once again bootleggers are beating the official channels.

When I heard/read that they were going to release one-off singles like the previous team, I immediately thought: how many did we actually get from them (say between 2016 and 2022)? Answer: not many. So my expectations went back to very low again..

"Purple Pick of the Week": that's one thing they could easily revive.

[Edited 6/20/25 7:11am]