keywiz said:

Gooddoctor23 said:

lol.....this makes zero sense.

it makes perfect sense.

How many tracks that have been released on any of the deluxe editions were we unaware existed?

You really think it's just a coincidence that they only have released the already-bootlegged tracks?

lol........the bootlegged tracks that were created around the albums when Prince was doing the bootlegs before he got "free". U ever noticed that the bootlegs dried up once Prince was free on his WB contract?

Gooddoctor23 said:

keywiz said:

it makes perfect sense.

How many tracks that have been released on any of the deluxe editions were we unaware existed?

You really think it's just a coincidence that they only have released the already-bootlegged tracks?

lol........the bootlegged tracks that were created around the albums when Prince was doing the bootlegs before he got "free". U ever noticed that the bootlegs dried up once Prince was free on his WB contract?

Of course I've noticed this. But what does that have to do with what we were talking about? All that means is a combination of A) he wasn't as prolific in the later years; B) he had to freedom to release everything he did, most of which was hit-and-miss as it was in terms of quality.

Most of what we're getting as "vault tracks" are tracks we've all long known about. These ideas that there are reels and reels of tapes we've never heard that are so much better than the stuff we already know about is almost certainly mythical.

Almost all the best stuff he pulled for the albums. Most of the rest, those of us who have been collecting the bootlegs for years already know about.

Which isn't to say I don't want them released in the best sound quality possible. I do. And any other stuff no one has heard before that might get included? All the better.

But am I expecting to be blown away by anything or thinking they'll release some entire album he held back that was as good or better than his best stuff in the 80s? No, I'm not expecting that. Will I be thrilled if someday I'm proven wrong? Absolutely.

But will I be dissapointed if I'm not or believe there's something amiss going on over at 'the estate' that's preventing all the really good stuff from seeing the light of day?

No.

keywiz said:

Gooddoctor23 said:

lol........the bootlegged tracks that were created around the albums when Prince was doing the bootlegs before he got "free". U ever noticed that the bootlegs dried up once Prince was free on his WB contract?

Of course I've noticed this. But what does that have to do with what we were talking about? All that means is a combination of A) he wasn't as prolific in the later years; B) he had to freedom to release everything he did, most of which was hit-and-miss as it was in terms of quality.

Most of what we're getting as "vault tracks" are tracks we've all long known about. These ideas that there are reels and reels of tapes we've never heard that are so much better than the stuff we already know about is almost certainly mythical.

Almost all the best stuff he pulled for the albums. Most of the rest, those of us who have been collecting the bootlegs for years already know about.

Which isn't to say I don't want them released in the best sound quality possible. I do. And any other stuff no one has heard before that might get included? All the better.

But am I expecting to be blown away by anything or thinking they'll release some entire album he held back that was as good or better than his best stuff in the 80s? No, I'm not expecting that. Will I be thrilled if someday I'm proven wrong? Absolutely.

But will I be dissapointed if I'm not or believe there's something amiss going on over at 'the estate' that's preventing all the really good stuff from seeing the light of day?

No.

keywiz said:

Hey, if you haven't found any of the vault tracks on the SDEs incredibly valuable and enjoyable on a musical level, then that makes me sad for you as a Prince fan, but please understand that many of us disagree.

I don't need to compare every unreleased song to Raspberry Beret or whatever. I have zero doubt that there are dozens, probably hundreds, of unreleased vault tracks like Blanche or The Last Dance, and I eagerly want to hear every one of them.

I'm so tired of this "there's a reason he didn't release them" bullshit. That's a casual fan opinion.

theblueangel said:

keywiz said:

Don't think so, unfortunately.

But I think the Prince Vault is going to be like the JFK Assassination Files. No matter how much gets released, there will always be people who believe the really good stuff is still being held back.

Hey, if you haven't found any of the vault tracks on the SDEs incredibly valuable and enjoyable on a musical level, then that makes me sad for you as a Prince fan, but please understand that many of us disagree. I don't need to compare every unreleased song to Raspberry Beret or whatever. I have zero doubt that there are dozens, probably hundreds, of unreleased vault tracks like Blanche or The Last Dance, and I eagerly want to hear every one of them. I'm so tired of this "there's a reason he didn't release them" bullshit. That's a casual fan opinion.

Where did I say I didn't find the vault tracks valuable or enjoyable?

On the contrary, I've said PRECISELY the opposite and I agree with you that I don't need to compare them to the albums.

All I've said is that:

there has been very little that has been released that most of us haven't already heard or at least heard of. Expecting there to be all sorts of stuff we don't know about -- let alone expecting it to be even better than what we already know about, simply doesn't seem likely. But people can hold on to their fantasies if they wish.

But no. "there's a reason he didn't release them" is not a "casual fan's opinion'. You even just said yourself you don't need them to all be Raspberry Beret or whatever. that's because they aren't. He put what he thought was his best stuff on the albums and 95% of the time, he was correct.

love2thenines2003 said:

From an insider...a lot of useless blah blah blah...just ideas... useless talkings but not details on future releases...no PR SDE announced ...or announcements of something no details..no specific project announced ..plan etc..or whatever ..just a possible release of something around the album ATWIAD... well... it's depressing!!! [Edited 6/7/25 20:53pm]

Why are they never talking about releasing anything newer? Such as concert footage from 2009 up or short movies in the vault etc.?

TheTruth123 said:

love2thenines2003 said:

From an insider...a lot of useless blah blah blah...just ideas... useless talkings but not details on future releases...no PR SDE announced ...or announcements of something no details..no specific project announced ..plan etc..or whatever ..just a possible release of something around the album ATWIAD... well... it's depressing!!! [Edited 6/7/25 20:53pm]

Why are they never talking about releasing anything newer? Such as concert footage from 2009 up or short movies in the vault etc.?

Because the 80's stuff sell better.

scififilmnerd said:

TheTruth123 said:

Why are they never talking about releasing anything newer? Such as concert footage from 2009 up or short movies in the vault etc.?

Because the 80's stuff sell better.

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It's yet another symptom of the biggest issue with both Estate managements: the lack of a concept.
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When you have a concept that includes a long-term release plan, you don't start a long series of releases by releasing the 4 biggest sellers first. That's just dumb. Not even having a concept is beyond comprehension...

This seems to be a confirmation of ATWIAD being mixed into Atmos. Hopefully this bodes well for a release of an expanded/deluxe edition soon. (Sorry, I don't know how to upload images to this forum) https://cdn2.imagearchive...014446.jpg

keywiz said:

Gooddoctor23 said:

lol.....this makes zero sense.

it makes perfect sense.

How many tracks that have been released on any of the deluxe editions were we unaware existed?

You really think it's just a coincidence that they only have released the already-bootlegged tracks?

This is what I know, Prince was a workaholic.

Gooddoctor23 said:

keywiz said:

it makes perfect sense.

How many tracks that have been released on any of the deluxe editions were we unaware existed?

You really think it's just a coincidence that they only have released the already-bootlegged tracks?

This is what I know, Prince was a workaholic.

yes he was.

but that doesn't mean there are siginificantly more tracks in the vault than have already been leaked or that we haven't at least heard about over all these decades.

As I've said -- I'll be as thrilled as anyone to find out such stuff actually exists. But while it's one thing to speculate about it, it's quite another for people to get upset that stuff we don't even know for sure actually exists isn't being released.

keywiz said:

Gooddoctor23 said:

This is what I know, Prince was a workaholic.

yes he was.

but that doesn't mean there are siginificantly more tracks in the vault than have already been leaked or that we haven't at least heard about over all these decades.

As I've said -- I'll be as thrilled as anyone to find out such stuff actually exists. But while it's one thing to speculate about it, it's quite another for people to get upset that stuff we don't even know for sure actually exists isn't being released.

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I'm sorry but keep having to read this view repeated here almost daily is just unbelievably boring and infuriating at the same time.
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Almost every single person who ever seen that vault in person and knows something about its contents has always maintained that the majority of Prince's works is yet to be heard but of course to you guys that doesn't mean anything because you know better.

Everyone appointed by the Estate to work on the Vault has confirmed it's everything it's said to be AND MORE, with a lot of stuff collectors don't know about too, but of course you guys know better than to believe that.
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Highly important collegues/friends from Prince's life who really knew him for decades (such as Bobby Z and Morris Hayes) have already confirmed the vault holds a ton of unreleased stuff and that the rumours are not exaggerated at all, but again, you guys know better.
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And every time I mention my humble calculations about the Vault room's shelving and their capacity to come up with some reasonable estimate about the number of reels that were in there, you guys don't even respond with any arguments or alternative calculations, probably thinking that all that doesn't matter, as you know "we've already heard most unreleased songs".
I give up.

[Edited 7/7/25 17:19pm]

Kares said:

keywiz said:

yes he was.

but that doesn't mean there are siginificantly more tracks in the vault than have already been leaked or that we haven't at least heard about over all these decades.

As I've said -- I'll be as thrilled as anyone to find out such stuff actually exists. But while it's one thing to speculate about it, it's quite another for people to get upset that stuff we don't even know for sure actually exists isn't being released.

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I'm sorry but keep having to read this view repeated here almost daily is just unbelievably boring and infuriating at the same time.
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Almost every single person who ever seen that vault in person and knows something about its contents has always maintained that the majority of Prince's works is yet to be heard but of course to you guys that doesn't mean anything because you know better.

Everyone appointed by the Estate to work on the Vault has confirmed it's everything it's said to be AND MORE, with a lot of stuff collectors don't know about too, but of course you guys know better than to believe that.
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Highly important collegues/friends from Prince's life who really knew him for decades (such as Bobby Z and Morris Hayes) have already confirmed the vault holds a ton of unreleased stuff and that the rumours are not exaggerated at all, but again, you guys know better.
..
And every time I mention my humble calculations about the Vault room's shelving and their capacity to come up with some reasonable estimate about the number of reels that were in there, you guys don't even respond with any arguments or alternative calculations, probably thinking that all that doesn't matter, as you know "we've already heard most unreleased songs".
I give up.

[Edited 7/7/25 17:19pm]

Kares said:

keywiz said:

yes he was.

but that doesn't mean there are siginificantly more tracks in the vault than have already been leaked or that we haven't at least heard about over all these decades.

As I've said -- I'll be as thrilled as anyone to find out such stuff actually exists. But while it's one thing to speculate about it, it's quite another for people to get upset that stuff we don't even know for sure actually exists isn't being released.

.
I'm sorry but keep having to read this view repeated here almost daily is just unbelievably boring and infuriating at the same time.
.
Almost every single person who ever seen that vault in person and knows something about its contents has always maintained that the majority of Prince's works is yet to be heard but of course to you guys that doesn't mean anything because you know better.

Everyone appointed by the Estate to work on the Vault has confirmed it's everything it's said to be AND MORE, with a lot of stuff collectors don't know about too, but of course you guys know better than to believe that.
.
Highly important collegues/friends from Prince's life who really knew him for decades (such as Bobby Z and Morris Hayes) have already confirmed the vault holds a ton of unreleased stuff and that the rumours are not exaggerated at all, but again, you guys know better.
..
And every time I mention my humble calculations about the Vault room's shelving and their capacity to come up with some reasonable estimate about the number of reels that were in there, you guys don't even respond with any arguments or alternative calculations, probably thinking that all that doesn't matter, as you know "we've already heard most unreleased songs".
I give up.

[Edited 7/7/25 17:19pm]

I'm with ya.

keywiz said:

Gooddoctor23 said:

This is what I know, Prince was a workaholic.

yes he was.

but that doesn't mean there are siginificantly more tracks in the vault than have already been leaked or that we haven't at least heard about over all these decades.

As I've said -- I'll be as thrilled as anyone to find out such stuff actually exists. But while it's one thing to speculate about it, it's quite another for people to get upset that stuff we don't even know for sure actually exists isn't being released.

U really dont know what u are talking about.

I'm out.......enjoy the silence.

Gooddoctor23 said:

keywiz said:

yes he was.

but that doesn't mean there are siginificantly more tracks in the vault than have already been leaked or that we haven't at least heard about over all these decades.

As I've said -- I'll be as thrilled as anyone to find out such stuff actually exists. But while it's one thing to speculate about it, it's quite another for people to get upset that stuff we don't even know for sure actually exists isn't being released.

U really dont know what u are talking about.

I'm out.......enjoy the silence.

lol. yes, anytime someone offers up some facts and logic that goes against myths and fantasies, the first instinct is to hurl insults and run away.

But yes, keep holding on to something some unnamed person said about unnamed songs that no one has ever heard but are supposedly AMAZING.

"A ton of unreleased stuff"? No doubt. A ton of unreleased stuff that hasn't already been bootlegged that exists in the form of completed songs and albums?

Yes. I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the only stuff released so far, from what are known to be some of his most prolific periods, is almost 100% stuff that has been bootlegged for years.

What are the odds? lololol

keywiz said:

Gooddoctor23 said:

U really dont know what u are talking about.

I'm out.......enjoy the silence.

lol. yes, anytime someone offers up some facts and logic that goes against myths and fantasies, the first instinct is to hurl insults and run away.

But yes, keep holding on to something some unnamed person said about unnamed songs that no one has ever heard but are supposedly AMAZING.

"A ton of unreleased stuff"? No doubt. A ton of unreleased stuff that hasn't already been bootlegged that exists in the form of completed songs and albums?

Yes. I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the only stuff released so far, from what are known to be some of his most prolific periods, is almost 100% stuff that has been bootlegged for years.

What are the odds? lololol

What facts?
the last 30 years tehre are lists of tracks going around (with samples) of more than 100 unheard and undocumented songs that aren't on Princevault.
There have been mock ups shown of unreleased albums (also not on Princevault) including there tracklists.
There are lists of proshot multicam prepped for released concerts that we haven't seen.
after 1996 the bootlegs dried up but Prince kept recording and we have mostly no clue of the recordings he did then or any of the titles

databank said:

Those reports are so confusing and contradictory that I don't know what to make of any of it. We're told great things were explained. We're told nothing was explained. Blurry announcements for possible things that make little sense as reported. Maybe there's a reason Marvel get their panels filmed and broadcast at Comic Con, at least everyone knows what was and wasn't said. This whole gossip and hearsay makes no sense to me, sorry. This leaves everyone more confused than we were yesterday... Glad me and the wife got high and watched some great movies tonight She also really loved the Parade concert we watched beforehand. Pity all she could see was a 40 year old VHS rip from TV... [Edited 6/8/25 5:24am]

what are you unclear about?

What was said, versus what wasn't is captured on this thread:

https://prince.org/msg/7/471596

TheEclecticElectric said:

The thing I don't understand about the inertia is the commercial side of things. I'm 51 and probably towards the younger end of the fan base bell curve. People will start dying before they ever get their sh1t together. Same with canning the documentary. They said it would hurt the "brand" but everyone knows all publicity is good publicity from a commercial sense. They're sitting on a gold mine. I genuinely don't understand their motivation. It can't just be to piss us off can it?

the reality of this was well and truly communicated to them in the Q&A session at Celebration 2025 - believe me when I say it - they get this - the audience attending made it very clear.

zobilanew said:

When the estate is complaining about the costprice of producing the SDE's, are they talking about the packaging or the remastering and curating that needs to be done?

This wasn't said and not would I say they were complaining - not in the Celebration 2025 Q&A - what was said, is that SDEs are complex projects to produce, due to the collabration required between the Estate, artists involved to support the re-release or share insight on the songs, the 2 record companies and production and marketing logistics.

bizzie said:

I find it baffling that there are three reports of this panel so far, and all three differ significantly. What kind of shitshow was that panel?

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Also, to me it sounds like some of the answers to fan questions were all answered in the most positive way possible without actually promising anything. "We're looking into it" is so lame and non-committal.

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The only more or less concrete promise is the November RSD release. I'm sorry, WHAT? What have these bozos been doing since the release of the D&P SDE? And the only announcement is a vague "we're doing something for RSD" which is FIVE FUCKING MONTHS away. That will be NINE MONTHS since the Netflix deal got broken and that's all you've got to show for it?

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Also, I haven't read anything about the outtakes that were played and that "everybody was going to hear again soon". Did no one ask about those?

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It's June 2025 and virtually everything they've talked about is "planned" for 2026? Must be nice to shovel money your way and do fuck all. Meanwhile the three Celebrations they've run have gotten increasingly worse, the one SDE they put out seems to have been a financial disaster.

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Only a guy from Sony was at this panel, and his bright idea was to release videos to fucking Tubi, a US ONLY service -- because fuck all the Prince fans in Europe and elsewhere, right? Where was the guy from Warners, you know, the company that still has the WORLDWIDE rights (excluding USA, except for the movie soundtracks) to the Prince catalog from the glory years? The company that actually put out a Blu-ray audio release of D&P, something Sony couldn't be bothered with?

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A TWO HOUR long panel and all we've gotten is lame promises.

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Also love them saying they're not gonna bother with anniversaries anymore. As if they did that in the past!

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Next year is the tenth anniversary of Prince's death. And we'll have to trust that the clowns who couldn't manage to monetize the 40th anniversary of Purple Rain, will not fuck that up.

What was said or not said can be read here: https://prince.org/msg/7/471596

I can try and answer anything you are baffled by, and in doing so, won't make anything up.

the SDE for ATWIAD is this year, as are the Hit 'n' Run vinyl releases and they have already done the 1st smaller digital drop they referred to in the form of America 12" - so 2025 is happening...

ShellyMcG said:

bizzie said:

There is now a fourth report from the panel via Jon Bream from the Star Tribune: https://www.startribune.c.../601369195

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And before someone says "paywall": it's 2025 and you're on the Internet. Do you really think you're the only one with that problem? Do you really think no one has found workarounds?

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We've heard that before.

The Estate: We don't follow anniversaries Also The Estate: We'll do big things for his 10th anniversary More mixed messaging

the context, was it was an open discussion and they were going through the pros and cons of working with anniversaries or not

MIRvmn1 said:

Some people on Facebook claim that ATWIAD will actually be a Super Deluxe Edition, based on what they heard from Spicer and Londell. If that’s the case, it’ll probably be similar to the 1999 SDE.

in the Q&A ATWIAD Londell talked about it as 'Expanded'

after the Q&A in a 121 with Charles Spicer I asked him directly if expanded meant a SDE and he said 'yes'

my take out, and thus conjecture, is that they use these terms interchanagably depending on who is talking

AZStreet said:

My homeboy in this group thread that Im in said that LM/CS publically embarrased Funkatopia and Casey at this panel and they were in the audience. It sounded like because they put content ahead of truth/diligence

this is where context is needed - they called out the guys in a ligh hearted manner - it was done with humour and the room laughed - it was not done to put Funkatopia or Casey down.

mattosgood said:

I guess we’ll just have to wait and see, but I’m glad they’re planning to release something this year.

MIRvmn1 said:

mattosgood said:

in the Q&A ATWIAD Londell talked about it as 'Expanded'

after the Q&A in a 121 with Charles Spicer I asked him directly if expanded meant a SDE and he said 'yes'

my take out, and thus conjecture, is that they use these terms interchanagably depending on who is talking

I guess we’ll just have to wait and see, but I’m glad they’re planning to release something this year.

agreed and thus amen to that!

mattosgood said:

Same!
Ps/ impatient to know more details about the expanded edition/ SDE edition of ATWIAD

Gooddoctor23 said:

Kares said:

And every time I mention my humble calculations about the Vault room's shelving and their capacity to come up with some reasonable estimate about the number of reels that were in there, you guys don't even respond with any arguments or alternative calculations, probably thinking that all that doesn't matter, as you know "we've already heard most unreleased songs".
I give up.

[Edited 7/7/25 17:19pm]

If I were you, I'd considered giving up as well.

There is nothing about the size of the vault and the shelfing capacity that indicates the quantity, let alone the quality what might be contained within.

For all we know, many of those shelves are empty. Or only partially filled. Or filled with outtakes or otherwise meaningless stuff.

But sure. Keep holding on to the dream that they are all chock full of some of the greatest songs Prince ever recorded but simply decided not to release in favor of tracks and albums most people agree were 'meh' at best. And that the 'estate' is either diabolically unwilling to release them or too stupid to see how valuable they are.

Yeah...that's the ticket.

MIRvmn1 said:

I think there will be more SDE but similar to 1999. I guess we have to wait and see.

Content wise, the 1999 SDE was just as good as the others, it was just the size of the packaging that was different. Which I'm fine with. I don't need an LP sized set for a boxset of CDs and BluRays

keywiz said:

If I were you, I'd considered giving up as well.

There is nothing about the size of the vault and the shelfing capacity that indicates the quantity, let alone the quality what might be contained within.

For all we know, many of those shelves are empty. Or only partially filled. Or filled with outtakes or otherwise meaningless stuff.

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For all you know.
You're in for some big surprises.