Kares said:

JorisE73 said:

We had it worse when Prince was still alive

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I don't think so. We had new music fairly often (except for a couple of years).

But no boxsets or even remasters. At least we've gotten alot of outtakes and remasters with the Estate. Prince only gave us a album a year, the Estate gave us more.

We've had - what? - 22-23 CDs worth of previously unreleased music over the 2016-2024 period, counting what was released on Blu-ray. That's roughly 3 CDs a year of previously unreleased material, if we're being generous.

While Prince was alive, some years were better (like 1996), but I'd say the statement that "we had it worse" is correct.

Still, we shouldn't compare those two periods. Prince released material for artistic reasons, while current releases should be about documenting his career - we're talking about archival releases. Except for "Crystal Ball" and NPGMC, Prince never really embraced that concept.

With more than 2000 performances listed on PrinceVault, that's 3000 CDs worth of music just for live performances alone.

How much are we talking about if we include studio recordings, WIP material, rehearsals, and everything else? Maybe 5000 CDs worth of music?

If we limit ourselves to just 10% of that material, that's still 500 CDs. I'll probably be dead in 40-50 years (hopefully not before). So I'll stand by my back-of-the-envelope calculation that we need at least one CD's worth of new music every month. At the very least.

JorisE73 said:

Kares said:

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I don't think so. We had new music fairly often (except for a couple of years).

But no boxsets or even remasters. At least we've gotten alot of outtakes and remasters with the Estate. Prince only gave us a album a year, the Estate gave us more.

We are spoiled children it's true, even if the projects must be reduced and take more time to materialize ... I hope they will be of quality but I think we have 2/3 releases ahead of us on a few very few albums which will be chosen to be remastered with some unreleased bonuses, the Estate thought very early on that the name Prince would be very seller .... unfortunately it is quite the opposite and this impacts the revaluation of the Vault and the projects associated with it, let's take advantage while it is possible it will not last ... let's be realistic, we have already been spoiled a lot, I am the first to always want more, it is passion that speaks but reason must be given the evidence!

love2thenines2003 said:

JorisE73 said:

But no boxsets or even remasters. At least we've gotten alot of outtakes and remasters with the Estate. Prince only gave us a album a year, the Estate gave us more.

We are spoiled children it's true, even if the projects must be reduced and take more time to materialize ... I hope they will be of quality but I think we have 2/3 releases ahead of us on a few very few albums which will be chosen to be remastered with some unreleased bonuses, the Estate thought very early on that the name Prince would be very seller .... unfortunately it is quite the opposite and this impacts the revaluation of the Vault and the projects associated with it, let's take advantage while it is possible it will not last ... let's be realistic, we have already been spoiled a lot, I am the first to always want more, it is passion that speaks but reason must be given the evidence!

We'd been spoiled by Prince & then by the first Etate.

The new team has given us nothing. Or close to nothing.

Amazing there are still people who defend them or find them excuses.

fredmagnus said:

love2thenines2003 said:

We are spoiled children it's true, even if the projects must be reduced and take more time to materialize ... I hope they will be of quality but I think we have 2/3 releases ahead of us on a few very few albums which will be chosen to be remastered with some unreleased bonuses, the Estate thought very early on that the name Prince would be very seller .... unfortunately it is quite the opposite and this impacts the revaluation of the Vault and the projects associated with it, let's take advantage while it is possible it will not last ... let's be realistic, we have already been spoiled a lot, I am the first to always want more, it is passion that speaks but reason must be given the evidence!

We'd been spoiled by Prince & then by the first Etate.

The new team has given us nothing. Or close to nothing.

Amazing there are still people who defend them or find them excuses.

I will rather wait untill they give us something before I blast them (because I don't expect much from them) but blasting them because they 'didn't do anything' when it's been expalined that they couldn't and were working hard on resolving trhose kind of issues, so people are just blasting them to blast them for whatever reason some fans made up and that is kind of sad.

JorisE73 said:

fredmagnus said:

We'd been spoiled by Prince & then by the first Etate.

The new team has given us nothing. Or close to nothing.

Amazing there are still people who defend them or find them excuses.

I will rather wait untill they give us something before I blast them (because I don't expect much from them) but blasting them because they 'didn't do anything' when it's been expalined that they couldn't and were working hard on resolving trhose kind of issues, so people are just blasting them to blast them for whatever reason some fans made up and that is kind of sad.

Let's see what they come up with at some point but i don't hold my breath.

They've already mentioned at the Vault Panel that it's soooooo difficult to release Prince music.

fredmagnus said:

JorisE73 said:

I will rather wait untill they give us something before I blast them (because I don't expect much from them) but blasting them because they 'didn't do anything' when it's been expalined that they couldn't and were working hard on resolving trhose kind of issues, so people are just blasting them to blast them for whatever reason some fans made up and that is kind of sad.

Let's see what they come up with at some point but i don't hold my breath.

They've already mentioned at the Vault Panel that it's soooooo difficult to release Prince music.

We don't know what deals were made by the previous management so we just don't know. Blaming them for whatever we speculate and choose to belief is on us not on them. Most people here are attacking them for whatever they made up in there heads that they have or haven't done, it's kind of wierd.
I'm aslo sceptical about there upcoming releases and I really doubt it will be better than what the previous management did but I'll spare my vitriol for when they have actually released something like a SDE they themself put together to see if it s better or worse than what was previkously done.
Not having some wokies or comedians do bad liner notes and have people do them that were actually relevant ot the album and Prince would be a step up tho.

JorisE73 said:

fredmagnus said:

We'd been spoiled by Prince & then by the first Etate.

The new team has given us nothing. Or close to nothing.

Amazing there are still people who defend them or find them excuses.

I will rather wait untill they give us something before I blast them (because I don't expect much from them) but blasting them because they 'didn't do anything' when it's been expalined that they couldn't and were working hard on resolving trhose kind of issues, so people are just blasting them to blast them for whatever reason some fans made up and that is kind of sad.

Whatever "issues" are allegedly keeping Londell & Charles' hands tied didn't seem to prevent the previous estate from putting out sets and albums. Funny how these self-proclaimed experts can't navigate the business as well as their predecessors did.

bozojones said:

JorisE73 said:

I will rather wait untill they give us something before I blast them (because I don't expect much from them) but blasting them because they 'didn't do anything' when it's been expalined that they couldn't and were working hard on resolving trhose kind of issues, so people are just blasting them to blast them for whatever reason some fans made up and that is kind of sad.

Whatever "issues" are allegedly keeping Londell & Charles' hands tied didn't seem to prevent the previous estate from putting out sets and albums. Funny how these self-proclaimed experts can't navigate the business as well as their predecessors did.

The previous manmagement who tied there hands and gave Netflix all the cards for a set mount of time. obviously they made a deal regarding the sets they wanted to release so they could release them. there also seemed to be deals made regarding audio that Lonny was working on to cancel or something. The previous managemtn left with everything tied up for the current one to untangle and that's what they were/are doing. Why do you think the previous management did Syracuse again instead of the thousands of other shows they could have released?

JorisE73 said:

love2thenines2003 said:

JorisE73 said:

The previous manmagement who tied there hands and gave Netflix all the cards for a set mount of time. obviously they made a deal regarding the sets they wanted to release so they could release them. there also seemed to be deals made regarding audio that Lonny was working on to cancel or something. The previous managemtn left with everything tied up for the current one to untangle and that's what they were/are doing. Why do you think the previous management did Syracuse again instead of the thousands of other shows they could have released?

The new team will show for the 1st their ability to made a potential good work with the next release for this year of ATWIAD expanded edition as apparently announced at the Celebration...maybe we will be surprised in the good way?

I doubt it, but hope so

love2thenines2003 said:

MIRvmn1 said:

love2thenines2003 said:

The new team will show for the 1st their ability to made a potential good work with the next release for this year of ATWIAD expanded edition as apparently announced at the Celebration...maybe we will be surprised in the good way?

I'm willing to give them a chance, but if there’s no release as promised this year, then the trust is gone.

I don't trust them either way. SO I expect the same incomplete crap that the previous managment gave us with PR, 1999, SOTT and D&P, I just hope to be prooven wrong

JorisE73 said:

JorisE73 said:

MIRvmn1 said:

love2thenines2003 said: I'm willing to give them a chance, but if there’s no release as promised this year, then the trust is gone.

I don't trust them either way. SO I expect the same incomplete crap that the previous managment gave us with PR, 1999, SOTT and D&P, I just hope to be prooven wrong

I expect the next releases to be much more incomplete than the one we've had so far.

Expanded reissues means much less content than SDEs.

From what has been reported, Londell mentioned 3 or 4 CDs at best.

fredmagnus said:

JorisE73 said:

I don't trust them either way. SO I expect the same incomplete crap that the previous managment gave us with PR, 1999, SOTT and D&P, I just hope to be prooven wrong

I expect the next releases to be much more incomplete than the one we've had so far.

Expanded reissues means much less content than SDEs.

From what has been reported, Londell mentioned 3 or 4 CDs at best.

maybe that is all there is in that 48% digitalized vault and the rest still needs to be digitalized?

JorisE73 said:

bozojones said:

Whatever "issues" are allegedly keeping Londell & Charles' hands tied didn't seem to prevent the previous estate from putting out sets and albums. Funny how these self-proclaimed experts can't navigate the business as well as their predecessors did.

The previous manmagement who tied there hands and gave Netflix all the cards for a set mount of time. obviously they made a deal regarding the sets they wanted to release so they could release them. there also seemed to be deals made regarding audio that Lonny was working on to cancel or something. The previous managemtn left with everything tied up for the current one to untangle and that's what they were/are doing. Why do you think the previous management did Syracuse again instead of the thousands of other shows they could have released?

And who was the lawyer who worked with the first estate to negotiate those deals that tied them in knots !? Haha

happyshopper said:

JorisE73 said:

The previous manmagement who tied there hands and gave Netflix all the cards for a set mount of time. obviously they made a deal regarding the sets they wanted to release so they could release them. there also seemed to be deals made regarding audio that Lonny was working on to cancel or something. The previous managemtn left with everything tied up for the current one to untangle and that's what they were/are doing. Why do you think the previous management did Syracuse again instead of the thousands of other shows they could have released?

And who was the lawyer who worked with the first estate to negotiate those deals that tied them in knots !? Haha

WB and Sony lawyers it seems. Tehy were securing the future

love2thenines2003 said:

JorisE73 said:

The previous manmagement who tied there hands and gave Netflix all the cards for a set mount of time. obviously they made a deal regarding the sets they wanted to release so they could release them. there also seemed to be deals made regarding audio that Lonny was working on to cancel or something. The previous managemtn left with everything tied up for the current one to untangle and that's what they were/are doing. Why do you think the previous management did Syracuse again instead of the thousands of other shows they could have released?

The new team will show for the 1st their ability to made a potential good work with the next release for this year of ATWIAD expanded edition as apparently announced at the Celebration...maybe we will be surprised in the good way?

Well, 2 years ago we were already told that ATWIAD would be something else than what we expect from a SDE so we'll see

JorisE73 said:

love2thenines2003 said:

JorisE73 said:

Well, 2 years ago we were already told that ATWIAD would be something else than what we expect from a SDE so we'll see

Do you have the source of this comment J. Thanks in advance

See your orgnotes because you were actually taking part in that 'announcement'

JorisE73 said:

happyshopper said:

JorisE73 said:

WB and Sony lawyers it seems. Tehy were securing the future

Nope. The record companies don’t negotiate on behalf of the estate. Guess again. Come on. It’s not hard.

Would be funny if it was Lonny, but not unexpected
but didn't Comerica have there own army of lawyers? I thought Lonny and Spicer scammed there way into the Estate via Sharon or the other family memebrs (who didn't have any say regarding what was going to be released or how)

[Edited 6/24/25 16:14pm]

JorisE73 said:

fredmagnus said:

I expect the next releases to be much more incomplete than the one we've had so far.

Expanded reissues means much less content than SDEs.

From what has been reported, Londell mentioned 3 or 4 CDs at best.

maybe that is all there is in that 48% digitalized vault and the rest still needs to be digitalized?

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45% – but we have no idea what that means. 45% of all music in terms of total playing time? I very much doubt that, as you don't know how much music you have until you actually played and archived them all... Perhaps they meant 45% of individually barcoded ITEMS in the vault, including photographs, docs, videotapes, film reels, audio tapes, HDDs, pendrives etc. But basically we are (still) left totally in the dark. Their "45%" claim means nothing until they specify.

The fact that they didn't announce any details about ATWIAD expanded ed. does sound sketchy AF.

Shouldn't this be completed by now and in production for a fall release.

Trufunksoulja said:

Trufunksoulja said:

Kares said:

JorisE73 said:

maybe that is all there is in that 48% digitalized vault and the rest still needs to be digitalized?

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45% – but we have no idea what that means. 45% of all music in terms of total playing time? I very much doubt that, as you don't know how much music you have until you actually played and archived them all... Perhaps they meant 45% of individually barcoded ITEMS in the vault, including photographs, docs, videotapes, film reels, audio tapes, HDDs, pendrives etc. But basically we are (still) left totally in the dark. Their "45%" claim means nothing until they specify.

Ah right, of course. Didn't think aboutr all the other things in there

Gooddoctor23 said:

JorisE73 said:

Has been explained before but people don't want to heasr it or something. They were working on the bad deals made by the prevcious management that were seemingly holding up things and they didn't want to do these too expensive boxsets without video. they've been working on releases but it seems there were still to o many things holding them up.
You're acting as if nothing has been reeleased in the last 9 years, this kind of posturing is just BS when looking at waay more shitty estates, maybe just chill instead going all dramaqueen

I don't agree with u.

Well, your opinion doesn't matter when facts are needed

JorisE73 said:

Gooddoctor23 said:

I don't agree with u.

Well, your opinion doesn't matter when facts are needed

As has been said on here before, while their hands were tied by the Netflix deal, they had years to plan the next releases, to have tracks remastered, artwork made. Maybe 2 or 3 releases ready to be shipped as soon as they were "free". But instead they planned a musical, and cruise ship entertainment, and poor "celebrations", etc.

They procrastinated, couldn't make decisions, missed deadlines, cancelled projects (like Love Symbol SDE and PR 40).

Fingers crossed we get something for ATWIAD this year.

[Edited 6/25/25 12:16pm]