By the way, while the Prince estate is telling us that physical media isn't making them money, let's look at what Metallica is releasign this week: https://superdeluxeeditio...d-reissue/

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A 25 disc box set. 15 CDs, 6 LPs, and 4 DVDs. 245 previously unreleased tracks. A 128 page hardcover book. Lyric sheets. And a bunch of tat.

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Is this overkill? Sure. The price is £200 to £250, depending on the online shop. Which is a bit more than the D&P SDE (£150), but you get a fuckload more.

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Plus there is a more sensible box set with 3 CDs with highlights.

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But the Prince estate can't make money by selling music to Prince fans. Go figure.

bizzie said:

But the Prince estate can't make money by selling music to Prince fans. Go figure.

I think Metallica and rock music in general sold a lot more albums than Prince in the first place. Most of Prince's albums didn't sell that much when originally released, at least they didn't in the USA. Prince wasn't like Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Phil Collins/Genesis, Madonna, Bon Jovi, Lionel Richie, or even New Kids On The Block, Kenny G, & MC Hammer. The got consistent sales & radio play. Some of Prince's singles did not get much airplay like the more popular mainstream radio artists. Whitney had 7 #1 singles in a row on the Hot 100 (pop chart) during the 1980s. Def Leppard had 2 albums that sold over 20 million. Prince's albums were never given the same importance or coverage as The Beatles or Dark Side Of The Moon by Pink Floyd in the rock magazines.

bizzie said:

By the way, while the Prince estate is telling us that physical media isn't making them money, let's look at what Metallica is releasign this week: https://superdeluxeeditio...d-reissue/

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A 25 disc box set. 15 CDs, 6 LPs, and 4 DVDs. 245 previously unreleased tracks. A 128 page hardcover book. Lyric sheets. And a bunch of tat.

.

Is this overkill? Sure. The price is £200 to £250, depending on the online shop. Which is a bit more than the D&P SDE (£150), but you get a fuckload more.

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Plus there is a more sensible box set with 3 CDs with highlights.

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But the Prince estate can't make money by selling music to Prince fans. Go figure.

they didn't say that.

chrisslope9 said:

Jimi Hendrix First 10 years were brutal.

[Edited 5/27/25 1:17am]

can you elaborate?

love2thenines2003 said:

(P) 2025 NPG Records, LLC, under exclusive license to Legacy Recordings Acoustic version of Free(demo?) released today by The Estate...seems not very 1999ish sessions to my ears...but the good news ...the drama about the Estate doing nothing comes to an end...cool 😎 [Edited 6/5/25 14:44pm]

it's a 2008 recording

bizzie said:

LMAO. Just saw someone on Twitter give the estate high praise because "they listened to the fans and played more unreleased Prince video during the Celebration". My dude, the simple fact that FANS HAD TO TELL THEM to PLAY MORE PRINCE MUSIC during A CELEBRATION OF PRINCE shows how incompetent they are.

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Look at the stuff the estate did for the celebration, and it is just amateur hour.

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- A couple of panels, where several hundred people apparently got to hear some new stories about ATWIAD and The Family -- great, now when do ALL PRINCE FANS get access to those stories? Year after year they organize these things and virtually none of the info makes it out.

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- Laughable games outside Paisley Park. Just look at this footage: https://x.com/Toraton3121...7299834980

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- A 45 minute long listening session of unreleased music that was so uninspiring that so far it hasn't reached a second page on the Org. Just imagine: they have access to a massive vault, and somehow half the tracks they played this year were ones that had leaked ages ago.

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- A DJ party at First Avenue. Whoop-de-doo.

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- A single evening of concerts. Whoop-de-doo.

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- The block party was a bust this year, I gather? In any case, this is again nothing special.

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- A gospel brunch. Who gives a fuck?

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How much do these clowns get paid for that? I bet there are schools in the USA who organize far more elaborate events than this.

ok, so

the DJ party - by DJ Lenka - are far from 'whoop-de-doo' they are banging, they really are.

the single evening of live gigs - were great

bloc party - was a 'whoop-de-doo' IMHO

the outside games, were a bit 'state fair' like

the panels - were really interesting

the unreleased music - was good but not as good as 2024

can they do better?

for sure, but I went in sceptical but came away happy and will go again in 2026

bizzie said:

By the way, while the Prince estate is telling us that physical media isn't making them money, let's look at what Metallica is releasign this week: https://superdeluxeeditio...d-reissue/

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A 25 disc box set. 15 CDs, 6 LPs, and 4 DVDs. 245 previously unreleased tracks. A 128 page hardcover book. Lyric sheets. And a bunch of tat.

.

Is this overkill? Sure. The price is £200 to £250, depending on the online shop. Which is a bit more than the D&P SDE (£150), but you get a fuckload more.

.

Plus there is a more sensible box set with 3 CDs with highlights.

.

But the Prince estate can't make money by selling music to Prince fans. Go figure.

Metallica fans are happy as hell.

purplethunder3121 said:

bizzie said:

By the way, while the Prince estate is telling us that physical media isn't making them money, let's look at what Metallica is releasign this week: https://superdeluxeeditio...d-reissue/

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A 25 disc box set. 15 CDs, 6 LPs, and 4 DVDs. 245 previously unreleased tracks. A 128 page hardcover book. Lyric sheets. And a bunch of tat.

.

Is this overkill? Sure. The price is £200 to £250, depending on the online shop. Which is a bit more than the D&P SDE (£150), but you get a fuckload more.

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Plus there is a more sensible box set with 3 CDs with highlights.

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But the Prince estate can't make money by selling music to Prince fans. Go figure.

Metallica fans are happy as hell.

Well as everyone know...Metallica is selling nowadays much more cds...boxes Etc than Prince... ...the group is much more bankable than Prince...it is what it is !!

WhiteSandsHideaway11 said:

As someone who has purchased the vinyl version of each SDE.. they do not work well on vinyl.. and limiting releases because of that format is simply bad business..

I'm a huge vinyl collector, and yes, it's true.

Especially from the D&P era, when CD created so much more room for more music. On vinyl, that translated very poorly, true.

JorisE73 said:

Vannormal said:

I honeslty hope that they have people working 24/7 on mixing his live shows so that they could release multiple full show days (full as in soundcheck, support act if he played along, main show and aftershow if he did one) and release these every 2 weeks or evry month a set

... which is absolutely not the case so it seems, from the recent Q&A.

Some say it's all too expsive, which I can hardly agree on.

Vannormal said:

JorisE73 said:

I honeslty hope that they have people working 24/7 on mixing his live shows so that they could release multiple full show days (full as in soundcheck, support act if he played along, main show and aftershow if he did one) and release these every 2 weeks or evry month a set

... which is absolutely not the case so it seems, from the recent Q&A.

Some say it's all too expsive, which I can hardly agree on.

I have no idea what the srviuces of Iron Mountain cost but I can imagine it being expensive, especiialy for the amount of stuff in the vault.

Crowdsource the Catalog buy back valued at what $55M ,

$10K works out to 5,500 shareholders

$5k, 11,000 shareholders.

start an app..... Paisley Park, the playground for all things Prince

music, art, film, and tv

interactive exp with all things, allow stems to be mixed, allow people to compile and share playlists.

All prince and related artists tracks available including demos, outtakes, live etc

Paid Contributors include:

Wendy and Lisa hour ,

Morris Hayes etc

Susan Rogers

sharing stories behind the songs. etc.

The more people that sign up the cheaper the subscription becomes as its not about profit but being a non for profit historical site for prince fans.

Have a board of directors, creative head, and archivists

Allow all tracks and albums to be ordered and printed in physical media for $$

Pay well for all the jobs, and take care of the old band members.

aallocathird said:

Crowdsource the Catalog buy back valued at what $55M ,

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Let's stop right there. What makes you think that just because the Estate somehow managed to convince the court that the vault isn't worth more than that (so they could keep their inheritance tax bill as low as possible), they would sell it for that ridiculously low price too?
The real market value of the vault, I'm sure, is in the region of $500M+, probably more – especially when it'd be in the hands of a board of directors who know what they're doing and who would be able to monetize those assets while helping Prince's legacy grow.

Kares said:

aallocathird said:

Crowdsource the Catalog buy back valued at what $55M ,

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Let's stop right there. What makes you think that just because the Estate somehow managed to convince the court that the vault isn't worth more than that (so they could keep their inheritance tax bill as low as possible), they would sell it for that ridiculously low price too?
The real market value of the vault, I'm sure, is in the region of $500M+, probably more – especially when it'd be in the hands of a board of directors who know what they're doing and who would be able to monetize those assets while helping Prince's legacy grow.

I would bet closer to 1 Billion, the vault is a trewasure trove of insane magnitude lol there is enoiugh in there to fill a second career.
Zappa's vault pales by comparison and that one is crazy full

[Edited 6/12/25 8:48am]

let me be clear the vault to me is priceless.

I was just quoting the last price, and honestly I don't know if anyone so far has come close to fully monetizing it correctly to increase the sale.

It's a dream folks....

>>> this is where I dream my dreams.

I've never seen an Estate do more damage than this one.

U would think they don't give a rats ass about Prince.

I don't get it.

$500M+ is totally over estimated imho

[Edited 6/19/25 11:37am]

Gooddoctor23 said:

I've never seen an Estate do more damage than this one.

U would think they don't give a rats ass about Prince.

I don't get it.

than you haven't seen much.
MJ's estate is worse, Frank Zappa's estate is a mess and took years to handle, Jimi Hendrix's estate was a mes and took years or even decades to be sorted and the list goes on.
Prince's estate is currently apparently busy with other things than to please fans, I don't like the waitr either but I don't pretend to know what they are doing behind the scenes to say they are doing the most damage which just isn;'t true. Tehy said they are working on things but I guess that is damaging so maybe they should stop, is that what you want?

[Edited 6/19/25 12:16pm]

Vannormal said:

$500M+ is totally over estimated imho

[Edited 6/19/25 11:37am]

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In light of big name catalog sales, no, it's not overestimated. Several catalogs were sold for hundreds of millions – and some of these only included the masters or the publishing, but not both. Queen's and MJ's catalog were valued at around 1.2 billion each – granted, they are more popular than P, on the other hand, P's catalog is far bigger, with potentially many additional big sellers.
Also, with AI entering the picture, these mega catalogs will just continue to rise in value as there are more and more potential uses (especially when one owns the publishing too, as in the case of the P Estate).

[Edited 6/19/25 13:01pm]

Huh, anyone remember the City Lights Prince CD series? I dug out the 1999 tour collection and it still sounds terrific (from the soundboard). I miss blasting these on speakers with my Sony CD player but still sounds wonderful on my son's old Discman CD player. The neighbors won't go for that these days! Until the Estate can deliver stuff like this, I'm sticking to my old bootlegs!

[Edited 6/19/25 20:14pm]

Next up...The Dirty Mind Tour!

[Edited 6/19/25 21:40pm]

JorisE73 said:

Gooddoctor23 said:

I've never seen an Estate do more damage than this one.

U would think they don't give a rats ass about Prince.

I don't get it.

than you haven't seen much.
MJ's estate is worse, Frank Zappa's estate is a mess and took years to handle, Jimi Hendrix's estate was a mes and took years or even decades to be sorted and the list goes on.
Prince's estate is currently apparently busy with other things than to please fans, I don't like the waitr either but I don't pretend to know what they are doing behind the scenes to say they are doing the most damage which just isn;'t true. Tehy said they are working on things but I guess that is damaging so maybe they should stop, is that what you want?

[Edited 6/19/25 12:16pm]

Talk is Cheap.

Prince has been gone 4 9 years. NINE.

What is the estate waiting on?

Gooddoctor23 said:

JorisE73 said:

than you haven't seen much.
MJ's estate is worse, Frank Zappa's estate is a mess and took years to handle, Jimi Hendrix's estate was a mes and took years or even decades to be sorted and the list goes on.
Prince's estate is currently apparently busy with other things than to please fans, I don't like the waitr either but I don't pretend to know what they are doing behind the scenes to say they are doing the most damage which just isn;'t true. Tehy said they are working on things but I guess that is damaging so maybe they should stop, is that what you want?

[Edited 6/19/25 12:16pm]

Talk is Cheap.

Prince has been gone 4 9 years. NINE.

What is the estate waiting on?

Has been explained before but people don't want to heasr it or something. They were working on the bad deals made by the prevcious management that were seemingly holding up things and they didn't want to do these too expensive boxsets without video. they've been working on releases but it seems there were still to o many things holding them up.
You're acting as if nothing has been reeleased in the last 9 years, this kind of posturing is just BS when looking at waay more shitty estates, maybe just chill instead going all dramaqueen

Gooddoctor23 said:

joris is absolutely right, we were so spoiled as Fans with Prince during his lifetime and during the first editions of Comerica, the other ESTATEs mentioned are not examples, especially that of MJ which is the worst in the world in view of the Artist they represent, I am like many very thirsty for new things, in a few months with Around the World in a day special edition which will be the first real release of the new Estate because the previous W2A and D&P SDE had been finalized at 90% by the previous Estate .. so at that time we will see if we should scream scandal or not, I am rather worried however because The Estate does not seem to know where they are going, we will see in less than 6 months?

JorisE73 said:

Gooddoctor23 said:

Talk is Cheap.

Prince has been gone 4 9 years. NINE.

What is the estate waiting on?

Has been explained before but people don't want to heasr it or something. They were working on the bad deals made by the prevcious management that were seemingly holding up things and they didn't want to do these too expensive boxsets without video. they've been working on releases but it seems there were still to o many things holding them up.
You're acting as if nothing has been reeleased in the last 9 years, this kind of posturing is just BS when looking at waay more shitty estates, maybe just chill instead going all dramaqueen

I don't agree with u.

JorisE73 said:

Gooddoctor23 said:

Talk is Cheap.

Prince has been gone 4 9 years. NINE.

What is the estate waiting on?

Has been explained before but people don't want to heasr it or something. They were working on the bad deals made by the prevcious management that were seemingly holding up things and they didn't want to do these too expensive boxsets without video. they've been working on releases but it seems there were still to o many things holding them up.
You're acting as if nothing has been reeleased in the last 9 years, this kind of posturing is just BS when looking at waay more shitty estates, maybe just chill instead going all dramaqueen

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Yeah, we could "just chill instead of going all dramaqueen".
I admit not being able to chill about this. Not about Prince. We're here because most of us lived our entire adult life with Prince's music in our bloodstream. We're passionate about it. For many of us, he means a great deal, even beyond the music. We're passionate about it because he's a significant artist in music history, and we consider it to be a sin not to share the vast(!), unknown catalog of works of such an artist with mankind.
And it's not like obsessing over some unreleased James Brown jams. I love James Brown but let's be honest, it's unrealistic to expect that his unreleased material would be significantly different to his released works. Prince is different. With Prince, there are always surprises among the self-repeating numbers too. His unreleased vault (contrary to popular opinion) is indeed vast and contains a ton of unknown componsitions that deserve being heard in their full glory – not as some badly encoded, mono mp3s or whatever. So yes, we're less and less patient and less forgiving about all the technical issues on all the posthumous releases so far.

Kares said:

JorisE73 said:

Has been explained before but people don't want to heasr it or something. They were working on the bad deals made by the prevcious management that were seemingly holding up things and they didn't want to do these too expensive boxsets without video. they've been working on releases but it seems there were still to o many things holding them up.
You're acting as if nothing has been reeleased in the last 9 years, this kind of posturing is just BS when looking at waay more shitty estates, maybe just chill instead going all dramaqueen

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Yeah, we could "just chill instead of going all dramaqueen".
I admit not being able to chill about this. Not about Prince. We're here because most of us lived our entire adult life with Prince's music in our bloodstream. We're passionate about it. For many of us, he means a great deal, even beyond the music. We're passionate about it because he's a significant artist in music history, and we consider it to be a sin not to share the vast(!), unknown catalog of works of such an artist with mankind.
And it's not like obsessing over some unreleased James Brown jams. I love James Brown but let's be honest, it's unrealistic to expect that his unreleased material would be significantly different to his released works. Prince is different. With Prince, there are always surprises among the self-repeating numbers too. His unreleased vault (contrary to popular opinion) is indeed vast and contains a ton of unknown componsitions that deserve being heard in their full glory – not as some badly encoded, mono mp3s or whatever. So yes, we're less and less patient and less forgiving about all the technical issues on all the posthumous releases so far.

Thanks 4 expressing this. I've lost my patience trying 2 express my perspective.

I'm over this Estate and what they represent.

Kares said:

JorisE73 said:

Has been explained before but people don't want to heasr it or something. They were working on the bad deals made by the prevcious management that were seemingly holding up things and they didn't want to do these too expensive boxsets without video. they've been working on releases but it seems there were still to o many things holding them up.
You're acting as if nothing has been reeleased in the last 9 years, this kind of posturing is just BS when looking at waay more shitty estates, maybe just chill instead going all dramaqueen

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Yeah, we could "just chill instead of going all dramaqueen".
I admit not being able to chill about this. Not about Prince. We're here because most of us lived our entire adult life with Prince's music in our bloodstream. We're passionate about it. For many of us, he means a great deal, even beyond the music. We're passionate about it because he's a significant artist in music history, and we consider it to be a sin not to share the vast(!), unknown catalog of works of such an artist with mankind.
And it's not like obsessing over some unreleased James Brown jams. I love James Brown but let's be honest, it's unrealistic to expect that his unreleased material would be significantly different to his released works. Prince is different. With Prince, there are always surprises among the self-repeating numbers too. His unreleased vault (contrary to popular opinion) is indeed vast and contains a ton of unknown componsitions that deserve being heard in their full glory – not as some badly encoded, mono mp3s or whatever. So yes, we're less and less patient and less forgiving about all the technical issues on all the posthumous releases so far.

We had it worse when Prince was still alive

JorisE73 said:

We had it worse when Prince was still alive

Clearly. But Prince is dead. He has been for 9 years. It's time to honor his legacy.

I see what you mean: it can always be worse (silver lining, glass half-full, etc.). It helps to think that way. Sometimes. We would go insane otherwise.

But I also see what Kares mean. It's frustrating. The absence of serious releases is frustrating. The constant nonsense from some fans is frustrating (e.g. the Estate shouldn't release "too much" previously unreleased music because it would "saturate the market", it's not possible to make money releasing previously unreleased music, everything should be released physically, the Vault is full of mediocre stuff, etc.).

JorisE73 said:

Kares said:

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Yeah, we could "just chill instead of going all dramaqueen".
I admit not being able to chill about this. Not about Prince. We're here because most of us lived our entire adult life with Prince's music in our bloodstream. We're passionate about it. For many of us, he means a great deal, even beyond the music. We're passionate about it because he's a significant artist in music history, and we consider it to be a sin not to share the vast(!), unknown catalog of works of such an artist with mankind.
And it's not like obsessing over some unreleased James Brown jams. I love James Brown but let's be honest, it's unrealistic to expect that his unreleased material would be significantly different to his released works. Prince is different. With Prince, there are always surprises among the self-repeating numbers too. His unreleased vault (contrary to popular opinion) is indeed vast and contains a ton of unknown componsitions that deserve being heard in their full glory – not as some badly encoded, mono mp3s or whatever. So yes, we're less and less patient and less forgiving about all the technical issues on all the posthumous releases so far.

We had it worse when Prince was still alive

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I don't think so. We had new music fairly often (except for a couple of years).