JoeyStarr69 said:

Have zero faith in the current estate but wonder if they’ll announce something in the next day or 2 prior to the celebration starting. To avoid fans frustrations and obvious questions on panels as to why we’ve got zippo since D&P SDE. And if nothing is announced let’s hope the fans don’t hold back on panel discussions

Fans have been voicing their frustrations for a long ass time and not once has the estate addressed any of it in earnest. They don't give a shit what any of us think. They're just going to give some bullshit blanket excuses/answers at the Celebration panel, and then continue peddling the same pointless merchandise to the same casual fans who keep buying it.

bozojones said:

bozojones said:

billymeade said:

We've gotten literally 100s of unreleased tracks, live concert releases, blu-rays, multiple unreleased albums, podcasts, annual fan gatherings... what other artist had this sort of attention in less than a decade after their passing?

We're talking about the post-2022 estate. The previous team did a decent job, even if they weren't quite as prolific as we would have liked. Everything from 2023 onward has been a drought and a trainwreck, just completely unacceptable both from a fan standpoint AND a business standpoint.

Basically this.

This version of the Estate is incompetent AF.

These are just lawyers acting like they know how to handle the Legacy.

We'll see what they will announce at the Celly, but not holding my breath.

Trufunksoulja said:

JoeyStarr69 said:

Have zero faith in the current estate but wonder if they’ll announce something in the next day or 2 prior to the celebration starting. To avoid fans frustrations and obvious questions on panels as to why we’ve got zippo since D&P SDE. And if nothing is announced let’s hope the fans don’t hold back on panel discussions

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Why do you expect them to do things they've never done before? It'll be a miracle if they actually announced something concrete during the Celebration. Look at how long it took them after the Celebration to announce the D&P SDE, despite everyone already knowing about it.

WhiteSandsHideaway11 said:

The next release is certainly going to be a Purple Rain set.. no way they have spend the past 2.5 years advertising “Purple Rain 40” if this wasn’t indeed the next release.

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Crazy thing is this must have been worked on. Laura LiPuma mentioned it in an interview, Andrea Swensson seems to have done interviews for the related podcast,...

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Surely this must have been planned for 2024, and yet it didn't happen and instead the Netflix deal became the main story -- I presume because Netflix wanted to ride that "40th anniversary of Purple Rain" wave (that never materialized) and release it and then Lonnie & co were desperately blocking it.

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Look at how we recently learned that there was a Dolby Atmos mix done for the movie in early 2024, but then it didn't get included on the 4k UHD because estate shenanigans meant they missed the deadline.

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Look at how they've desperately dragged that anniversary over to this year's Celebration.

bizzie said:

JoeyStarr69 said:

Have zero faith in the current estate but wonder if they’ll announce something in the next day or 2 prior to the celebration starting. To avoid fans frustrations and obvious questions on panels as to why we’ve got zippo since D&P SDE. And if nothing is announced let’s hope the fans don’t hold back on panel discussions

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Why do you expect them to do things they've never done before? It'll be a miracle if they actually announced something concrete during the Celebration. Look at how long it took them after the Celebration to announce the D&P SDE, despite everyone already knowing about it.

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An SDE (in the previously used format) requires manufacturing a sh*tload of vinyl, on all markets, simultaneously. That's a logistics nightmare to begin with – and that's one of the reasons I keep saying that not everything should be pressed on vinyl.

chrisslope9 said:

Jimi Hendrix First 10 years were brutal.

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Absolutely. In large part because Jimi had signed ridiculous contracts, and later his father had done the same.

Kares said:

bizzie said:

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Why do you expect them to do things they've never done before? It'll be a miracle if they actually announced something concrete during the Celebration. Look at how long it took them after the Celebration to announce the D&P SDE, despite everyone already knowing about it.

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An SDE (in the previously used format) requires manufacturing a sh*tload of vinyl, on all markets, simultaneously. That's a logistics nightmare to begin with – and that's one of the reasons I keep saying that not everything should be pressed on vinyl.

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Oh absolutely. The compromises that have been done to fit the vinyl limitations are ridiculous. Just do an LP box set with a selection of outtakes, and save the live recording for RSD so that is some kind of real exclusive and not just a reprint on different color vinyl of an existing release like they did this year.

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And go hog wild on the CD box set. Include multiple versions of outtakes, include multiple concerts, etc. Make that worth the price.

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If the vinyl freaks want a "complete box set", do a Kickstarter-like thing where they can pay $500+ in advance to get the full set and only produce a limited number if a minimum amount is raised.

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(Though I bet the late release of D&P had more to do with getting Sony & Warners to agree on a date and to get Netflix to play nice.)

bizzie said:

Kares said:

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An SDE (in the previously used format) requires manufacturing a sh*tload of vinyl, on all markets, simultaneously. That's a logistics nightmare to begin with – and that's one of the reasons I keep saying that not everything should be pressed on vinyl.

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Oh absolutely. The compromises that have been done to fit the vinyl limitations are ridiculous. Just do an LP box set with a selection of outtakes, and save the live recording for RSD so that is some kind of real exclusive and not just a reprint on different color vinyl of an existing release like they did this year.

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And go hog wild on the CD box set. Include multiple versions of outtakes, include multiple concerts, etc. Make that worth the price.

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If the vinyl freaks want a "complete box set", do a Kickstarter-like thing where they can pay $500+ in advance to get the full set and only produce a limited number if a minimum amount is raised.

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(Though I bet the late release of D&P had more to do with getting Sony & Warners to agree on a date and to get Netflix to play nice.)

Exactly this. I think it's so stupid to prioritize and focus on the vinyl fad. Just a barebones vinyl release should be enough with maybe a selection of outtakes and go all out wit h teh CD boxset, preferable in vinykl size for the artwork

Agreed. I don't need vinyl pressings, and I don't need fancy 12" booklets with sprawling essays by comedians or scholars only tenuously connected to Prince. The only extraneous thing in these sets should be the various 7" and radio edits for the completionists, but other than that, just give us the goddamn music in a simple and affordable package. It's really not that hard.

bozojones said:

Agreed. I don't need vinyl pressings, and I don't need fancy 12" booklets with sprawling essays by comedians or scholars only tenuously connected to Prince. The only extraneous thing in these sets should be the various 7" and radio edits for the completionists, but other than that, just give us the goddamn music in a simple and affordable package. It's really not that hard.

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Oh I forgot they only included a selection of the non-album tracks in the D&P SDE because they (sensibly) wanted to limit the amount of vinyl, but of course this fucked everybody because now there are a bunch of non-album tracks that are not remastered. Plus there were unreleased versions and perhaps even promo versions that also were not included.

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Did we need a full CD of Gett Off versions and derivatives? Perhaps not. But on the other hand: I'm paying good money here, so gimme everything. At the very least every already released snippet of audio.

I really wish someone would breathe new life into the Prince world... Just because he is gone doesn't mean the music he lived and died for is gone...

TraSoul82 said:

That would be Michael Jackson, hands down. A voice impersonator for Michael? Bruh. They killed Mike's legacy. I'm pretty sure the "highest paid" stuff comes from Vegas. They can't do another album. Not that he had the material to do so.

There was also the piece of chalk that came with a reissue of the Off The Wall album At any rate, I don't think the general public as is interested in reissues or remasters of CDs/records/cassettes. They're more likely to buy Funko Pops & other types of merchandising. Look at all the different kinds of stuff The Beatles, Elvis Presley, & KISS has (like a KISS Kasket or a Yellow Submarine Lego set). You can buy a Metallica Monopoly game. That's a reason the major record labels now have 360 deals where they get a cut of the touring & merchandising income. Some older artists are selling their publishing catalogs (and/or image rights) for a big payout. That's what the Hall & Oates fued is about. John wanted to sell his half, but Daryl "can't go for that". Performers make little money from streaming. Spotify & Youtube now have AI songs and videos where they don't have to pay an artist or record label.

purplethunder3121 said:

I really wish someone would breathe new life into the Prince world... Just because he is gone doesn't mean the music he lived and died for is gone...

If Prince was still living, this old stuff was unlikely to get released. His music videos and audio wouldn't now be on Youtube, TikTok, Facebook, etc. Prince only worked with Jay-Z's company Tidal. Prince was like Don Henley still is now, threatening to sue people who post his solo or Eagles music on Youtube & other streaming sites, including music reaction videos. When some other veteran artists have done interviews with music reactors or given them free concert tickets or backstage passes. Henley pays a staff to search the internet for unauthorized postings, like Prince was doing with Web Sheriff. Prince was also removing his photos from the internet & The Time had to call themselves The Original 7ven because Prince wouldn't let them use the name. So Prince was killing his own legacy himself, since the younger generations are more likely to stream or download instead of buying physical product, other than Taylor Swift fans. Taylor is the biggest seller of vinyl today. Drake is mainly popular with streaming, not physical music products.

JorisE73 said:

bizzie said:

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Oh absolutely. The compromises that have been done to fit the vinyl limitations are ridiculous. Just do an LP box set with a selection of outtakes, and save the live recording for RSD so that is some kind of real exclusive and not just a reprint on different color vinyl of an existing release like they did this year.

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And go hog wild on the CD box set. Include multiple versions of outtakes, include multiple concerts, etc. Make that worth the price.

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If the vinyl freaks want a "complete box set", do a Kickstarter-like thing where they can pay $500+ in advance to get the full set and only produce a limited number if a minimum amount is raised.

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(Though I bet the late release of D&P had more to do with getting Sony & Warners to agree on a date and to get Netflix to play nice.)

Exactly this. I think it's so stupid to prioritize and focus on the vinyl fad. Just a barebones vinyl release should be enough with maybe a selection of outtakes and go all out wit h teh CD boxset, preferable in vinykl size for the artwork

I'm a big vinyl lover and collector. But I skipped the D&P vinyl box set, as I did with Welcome 2 America. I bought the CD SDE box instead.

Lateron I bought the W2A vinyl box set for less than 50 EU, sealed. Not even worth 50 EU tbh. All these prints shit inside are just worthless to me.

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My guess is that they want to cash double; with the release of a live show in a SDE, and lateron once more with a RSD release (if so), on splatter or whatever color vinyl.

But I fully agree with you guys. Split it up, make it bigger and worth collecting all of it on seprate carriers.

It's a wonder they didn't rerelease any SDE on cassettes yet (even worse imho).

Also with these different vinyl packages for D&P for instance. No need for that (for me as a vinyl lover).

I also never liked the remixes and edits on vinyl, such a waste of space for other and better demo's of whatever aftershow is available. Or just leave it out.

And one more thing, the box set of the D&P vinyl singles... could also been more exclusive and orignal with it's content. They easily could've release the same song love on the b-side, and be more creative with the orignal b-side track for other purposes. There's just so many Prince live stuff we can't get our hands on.

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Vannormal said:

JorisE73 said:

Exactly this. I think it's so stupid to prioritize and focus on the vinyl fad. Just a barebones vinyl release should be enough with maybe a selection of outtakes and go all out wit h teh CD boxset, preferable in vinykl size for the artwork

I'm a big vinyl lover and collector. But I skipped the D&P vinyl box set, as I did with Welcome 2 America. I bought the CD SDE box instead.

Lateron I bought the W2A vinyl box set for less than 50 EU, sealed. Not even worth 50 EU tbh. All these prints shit inside are just worthless to me.

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My guess is that they want to cash double; with the release of a live show in a SDE, and lateron once more with a RSD release (if so), on splatter or whatever color vinyl.

But I fully agree with you guys. Split it up, make it bigger and worth collecting all of it on seprate carriers.

It's a wonder they didn't rerelease any SDE on cassettes yet (even worse imho).

Also with these different vinyl packages for D&P for instance. No need for that (for me as a vinyl lover).

I also never liked the remixes and edits on vinyl, such a waste of space for other and better demo's of whatever aftershow is available. Or just leave it out.

And one more thing, the box set of the D&P vinyl singles... could also been more exclusive and orignal with it's content. They easily could've release the same song love on the b-side, and be more creative with the orignal b-side track for other purposes. There's just so many Prince live stuff we can't get our hands on.

[Edited 6/4/25 14:42pm]

I honeslty hope thatthey have people working 24/7 on mixing his live shows so that they could release multiple full show days (full as in soundcheck, support act if he played along, main show and aftershow if he did one) and release these every 2 weeks or evry month a set

JorisE73 said:

Vannormal said:

I'm a big vinyl lover and collector. But I skipped the D&P vinyl box set, as I did with Welcome 2 America. I bought the CD SDE box instead.

Lateron I bought the W2A vinyl box set for less than 50 EU, sealed. Not even worth 50 EU tbh. All these prints shit inside are just worthless to me.

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My guess is that they want to cash double; with the release of a live show in a SDE, and lateron once more with a RSD release (if so), on splatter or whatever color vinyl.

But I fully agree with you guys. Split it up, make it bigger and worth collecting all of it on seprate carriers.

It's a wonder they didn't rerelease any SDE on cassettes yet (even worse imho).

Also with these different vinyl packages for D&P for instance. No need for that (for me as a vinyl lover).

I also never liked the remixes and edits on vinyl, such a waste of space for other and better demo's of whatever aftershow is available. Or just leave it out.

And one more thing, the box set of the D&P vinyl singles... could also been more exclusive and orignal with it's content. They easily could've release the same song love on the b-side, and be more creative with the orignal b-side track for other purposes. There's just so many Prince live stuff we can't get our hands on.

[Edited 6/4/25 14:42pm]

I honeslty hope thatthey have people working 24/7 on mixing his live shows so that they could release multiple full show days (full as in soundcheck, support act if he played along, main show and aftershow if he did one) and release these every 2 weeks or evry month a set

I'd take that in a heartbeat even without being properly mixed, just straight from the soundboard.

Live shows on vinyl for RSD would seem a likely way to go. It's been a very common type of release for many bands for RSD over the last couple of years.

Let's see!

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JorisE73 said:

FrankieCoco1 said:

JorisE73 said:

I honeslty hope thatthey have people working 24/7 on mixing his live shows so that they could release multiple full show days (full as in soundcheck, support act if he played along, main show and aftershow if he did one) and release these every 2 weeks or evry month a set

That’s an unrealistic expectation. From Chris James interview about the Purple Rain Atmos mix, it took him half a year just for that, so I doubt there is a studio of people working on Prince stuff. It would cost fortunes that the Estate and Primary Wave, Warners and Sony don’t have or would not invest.

It took him a long time, because he tried to stay close to the original stereo mix while working from the original multitrack recording. That was a difficult task.

Most concerts haven't been recorded on multitrack and for those that were, a remix will be easier to produce, if needed.

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lustmealways said:

londell is the donald trump of the prince world

#DonaldTrump(Black Version)

^ excellent! Like a drop cool of water in the desert

love2thenines2003 said:

(P) 2025 NPG Records, LLC, under exclusive license to Legacy Recordings Acoustic version of Free(demo?) released today by The Estate...seems not very 1999ish sessions to my ears...but the good news ...the drama about the Estate doing nothing comes to an end...cool 😎 [Edited 6/5/25 14:44pm]

Did you forget about the few one-off singles they released last year? Or the whole Vault Volume 1 bullshit from 2023? Because this is just more of the same underwhelming drip-feeding they've done since taking over, Diamonds & Pearls SDE being the only outlier (and one they don't even deserve credit for).

love2thenines2003 said:

(P) 2025 NPG Records, LLC, under exclusive license to Legacy Recordings Acoustic version of Free(demo?) released today by The Estate...seems not very 1999ish sessions to my ears...but the good news ...the drama about the Estate doing nothing comes to an end...cool 😎 [Edited 6/5/25 14:44pm]

yawn.

Regarding the live shows, it would be cool to see something similar to what Metallica do with their shows.

https://www.livemetallica.com/

LMAO. Just saw someone on Twitter give the estate high praise because "they listened to the fans and played more unreleased Prince video during the Celebration". My dude, the simple fact that FANS HAD TO TELL THEM to PLAY MORE PRINCE MUSIC during A CELEBRATION OF PRINCE shows how incompetent they are.

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Look at the stuff the estate did for the celebration, and it is just amateur hour.

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- A couple of panels, where several hundred people apparently got to hear some new stories about ATWIAD and The Family -- great, now when do ALL PRINCE FANS get access to those stories? Year after year they organize these things and virtually none of the info makes it out.

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- Laughable games outside Paisley Park. Just look at this footage: https://x.com/Toraton3121...7299834980

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- A 45 minute long listening session of unreleased music that was so uninspiring that so far it hasn't reached a second page on the Org. Just imagine: they have access to a massive vault, and somehow half the tracks they played this year were ones that had leaked ages ago.

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- A DJ party at First Avenue. Whoop-de-doo.

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- A single evening of concerts. Whoop-de-doo.

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- The block party was a bust this year, I gather? In any case, this is again nothing special.

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- A gospel brunch. Who gives a fuck?

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How much do these clowns get paid for that? I bet there are schools in the USA who organize far more elaborate events than this.