fruitsalad said:

I hear worrying things about what the kids think of Prince – that he's pervy.

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And is that bad?

fruitsalad said:

I hear worrying things about what the kids think of Prince – that he's pervy. I guess you could say it was a different time...

To that I'd say that the artists today are just as explicit if more than Prince ever was.

Prince is not for the kids. I do not expect children to listen to him. You'd need to be at least a teen (16+).

It's the difference with MJ who was family friendly.

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WhisperingDandelions said:

JorisE73 said:

Edelman ruined the doc himself not the Estate, they just listened to the complaints from people who were interviewed and/or walked becase they didn't agree with the questioning and narative they were pursuing

And people swear that a salacious doc piling on degenerate anecdote after degenerate anecdote would've somehow increased his clout with the Gen-Z youth.

The same Gen-Z youth that clutch their pearls at any negativity like that kid from the Twilight Zone that wished half the town into the cornfield.

On reddit people can't even handle discussion of when Prince met Mayte, or rape lyrics in "Extraloveable." People seriously believe the masses were going to lap up 9-hours of this with a spoon? People can't handle the truth.

You're seriously going on about "cancel culture" again like it hasn't been debunked countless times?

speaking of Prince's legacy....I wonder what's going on with that Purple Rain stage musical? it seems odd that we haven't heard any recent updates.Shouldn't rehearsals be taking place right now?

SoulAlive said:

My idea is that this fucking musical is kept quite to (try to) create a hype at the end of the year, maybe together with a release of Purple Rain SDE?

I'm improvising here...

bozojones said:

shockadelica86 said:

SoulAlive said:

speaking of Prince's legacy....I wonder what's going on with that Purple Rain stage musical? it seems odd that we haven't heard any recent updates.Shouldn't rehearsals be taking place right now?

True anyone have any updates on this?

FrankieCoco1 said:

shockadelica86 said:

True anyone have any updates on this?

https://purplerainbroadway.com/ I saw an advert or an announcement for this the other week and then just quickly found the above link showing that tickets are on sale for the pre-Broadway premiere at the State Theatre, Minneapolis. “The world premiere stage adaptation of PRINCE’S legendary film and album PURPLE RAIN™ comes to Hennepin Arts’ historic State Theatre October 16-November 16, 2025.” “Based on the original screenplay by Albert Magnoli and William Blinn, this pre-Broadway debut is directed by Tony Award® nominee Lileana Blain-Cruz. It features a book by Tony Award winner and Pulitzer Prize finalist Branden Jacobs-Jenkins with music supervision, arrangements, and orchestrations by Tony Award winner Jason Michael Webb. Longtime Prince collaborators Bobby Z and Morris Hayes join the award-winning creative team as Prince Music Advisors.”

Moris Hayes in creative team?

Only Bobby Z? Why not the full Revolution? Too expensive probably...

Curious what the outcome will be.

I never liked musicals. (Though Prince worked on one during his lifetime.)

Purple Rain, the Musical.

This site is part of the problem. New generations can't enjoy fresh takes on Prince because a particular topic was disussed once in 2006. I'd make a thread about it, but somebody already did...

Prince's legacy ironically lives on YouTube and it will be fine.

As far as "PRINCE" the pop icon, the estate will do nothing but bury the fact that Prince was a consevative (Ronnie, Talk To Russia), and drag people along. That's also why Ezra's doc was buried. Prince had foresight to take what would otherwise be a deviant symbol and literally led people to "The Christ." This is after he burned industry bridges. Prince will ultimately live through bootlegs.

TraSoul82 said:

This site is part of the problem. New generations can't enjoy fresh takes on Prince because a particular topic was disussed once in 2006. I'd make a thread about it, but somebody already did...

Prince's legacy ironically lives on YouTube and it will be fine.

As far as "PRINCE" the pop icon, the estate will do nothing but bury the fact that Prince was a consevative (Ronnie, Talk To Russia), and drag people along. That's also why Ezra's doc was buried. Prince had foresight to take what would otherwise be a deviant symbol and literally led people to "The Christ." This is after he burned industry bridges. Prince will ultimately live through bootlegs.

While I don't necessarily agree with your statement, that very last sentence of yours hits the nail on the head. Boots are the very few things that keep me excited about Prince for a long time.

TraSoul82 said:

Prince's legacy ironically lives on YouTube and it will be fine.

That doesn't even make sense.

the estate just needs to cater to his existing fans, release deluxe editions of albums,
all of them remastered and with bonus content.

get all of his albums on streaming platforms, get the protoge albums on there as well.

release more concerts, more aftershows, more of everything.

and to draw in a 'new young crowd' whatever that is, they should try to place his songs
in strategic film, game and advertisement ventures.

how is prince ever going to build a new fanbase on a vault track being released on the
4th disc of a SDE of one of his albums being the first 'single' on spotify, pre release?

you can draw a new generation in by keeping the main catalogue relevant by placing
his songs where huge amounts of people get exposed to them, and then, they can
take their time and dive into his back catalogue if and when they so desire.

that's the way we all came to so much music from artists who were already dead and
gone by the time we discovered them.

I didn't get into Nick Drake or Charles Mingus because of some ultra rare shit on some
record store day release that was limited to 12 compies. I got into them because of
their hugely succesfull songs that first drew my attention toward them. That and other
musicians mentioning them as inspiration etc etc.

so his legacy can shine if the estate keeps his name out there and meantime keeps his
loyal fans happy with more and more content from the vault, steadily building one of
the biggest archives of music by a single musician that might have ever been.

but so far I don't see his name in enough big films, commercials, games etc and I don't
see any significant vault releases without a certain few individuals hogging the spotlight
by shoehorning themselves into production credits.

and of course useless plastic and nylon tat for sale in the official store.

a little less ego and a lot more work would be good. starting with getting all his official
released music out there to at the very least streaming in remastered quality so that
every single song he put to tape and released in his lifetime can be accessed at a single
source. even if it was just the official website, if nothing else, to buy lossless files.

JorisE73 said:

peedub said:

JorisE73 said: Where was this reported, particularly regarding Susan Rogers?

Check your orgnotes

Why, is it a secret or something? Seems like if you have proof of your claim that Susan Rogers was upset with Edelman you ccould just post it here.

Personally don't actually care what Susan Rogers felt about Edelman's interview style. People who knew Prince have seen the documentary and reported that it was mind-blowing and painted him as not just a genius but also a human, which the current estate appears unwilling to do.

Well, it seems that 'this useless plastic and nylon tat for sale in the official store' puts some sort of money on the table. Otherwise they would hurry the fuck off of their lazy asses towards the money they so desperately yearn for, more than anything else.

And, that name, MakeMillions ... how embarrassing it sounds.

Primary Wave is also not complaining, so...

Vannormal said:

Well, it seems that 'this useless plastic and nylon tat for sale in the official store' puts some sort of money on the table. Otherwise they would hurry the fuck off of their lazy asses towards the money they so desperately yearn for, more than anything else.

And, that name, MakeMillions ... how embarrassing it sounds.

Primary Wave is also not complaining, so...

Unfortunately, if you look at any ad the estate posts on social media for this merch, there are always several comments from fans enthusiastic to buy it. For every one of us diehard fans who are tuned in for the music, there are probably three casual fans who are completely content hearing the same 4-5 hits on the radio and want to buy phone cases instead of vault releases.

FJODOR said:

the estate just needs to cater to his existing fans, release deluxe editions of albums,
all of them remastered and with bonus content.

Not a good business model.

Vannormal said:

Well, it seems that 'this useless plastic and nylon tat for sale in the official store' puts some sort of money on the table. Otherwise they would hurry the fuck off of their lazy asses towards the money they so desperately yearn for, more than anything else.

And, that name, MakeMillions ... how embarrassing it sounds.

Primary Wave is also not complaining, so...

And the stuff they sell is so outdated. Like why not sell some stanley cups with cool designs or something (if you're going to sell merch).

paisleyparkgirl said:

Vannormal said:

Well, it seems that 'this useless plastic and nylon tat for sale in the official store' puts some sort of money on the table. Otherwise they would hurry the fuck off of their lazy asses towards the money they so desperately yearn for, more than anything else.

And, that name, MakeMillions ... how embarrassing it sounds.

Primary Wave is also not complaining, so...

And the stuff they sell is so outdated. Like why not sell some stanley cups with cool designs or something (if you're going to sell merch).

Exactly, it's always the same type of stuff being sold. I feel Prince would be very disappointed with the current way his estate is being handled

theblueangel said:

JorisE73 said:

Check your orgnotes

Why, is it a secret or something? Seems like if you have proof of your claim that Susan Rogers was upset with Edelman you ccould just post it here.

Personally don't actually care what Susan Rogers felt about Edelman's interview style. People who knew Prince have seen the documentary and reported that it was mind-blowing and painted him as not just a genius but also a human, which the current estate appears unwilling to do.

because the Q&A was not conducted by me and the person who did it isn't on here and they can share it publicly if they want to but I'm not gonna do it.
There were also alot of people who knew Prince that actually worked or were willing to work for the doc who had a negative experience and the final product and narrative isn't based on the full facts according to them, so yeah, one likes it the other don't, it is what it is

TrivialPursuit said:

TraSoul82 said:

Prince's legacy ironically lives on YouTube and it will be fine.

That doesn't even make sense.

Because you're worried about sales and plaques. New kids are jumping onto Guitar solos, Montreux Jazz Festivals, Motherless Child and various songs, recorded and live. Watching all of the new kids react is the new thing. The pretty girls love Prince. Young men want to learn from him. They are the proverbial New Power Generation. Meanwhile You can't even post and join in on this site, so you guys are ironically unaware the Prince is already thriving without this relic, and the "estate".

And funny enough, those content creators who are ACTUALLY keeping Prince alive are the ones with the money. From watching Prince, gaining interest and followers. Feeding the beast. While many of you groan about "elites" as if this place isn't snobby as all hell.

I'd post some clips here to show you but... ya know. "BlockBuster Video". That's basically what this and the estate are to Prince actual music. There's nothing to wait on. If you need pictures and posters go to kinkos. But the music itself, free of greedy hands, is alive and well and much better for it. Amen

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TrivialPursuit said:

FJODOR said:

the estate just needs to cater to his existing fans, release deluxe editions of albums,
all of them remastered and with bonus content.

Not a good business model.

ok.

FJODOR said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Not a good business model.

ok.

Meaning to cater only to hardcore fans. There won't be as many hardcore fans, and/or their available money, a decade or two decades down the line. There aren't necessarily new hardcore fans coming up the way we were. The fandom has already cooled off in many regards (but the respect remains). Who are they marketing all that extra stuff to in 20 years? Many of us will be retired, in our 70s, easily, and may not care as much or have the funds to get these things.

The SDEs are still valid of course, but to solely cater that way is illogical.

For those of you old enough, and I include myself, please tell me the name of the artist that you cared about or even new much about) in 1984 that was popular in 1943. Then do the math.

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TrivialPursuit said:

FJODOR said:

ok.

Meaning to cater only to hardcore fans. There won't be as many hardcore fans, and/or their available money, a decade or two decades down the line. There aren't necessarily new hardcore fans coming up the way we were. The fandom has already cooled off in many regards (but the respect remains). Who are they marketing all that extra stuff to in 20 years? Many of us will be retired, in our 70s, easily, and may not care as much or have the funds to get these things.

The SDEs are still valid of course, but to solely cater that way is illogical.

I know about 2 kids at my school and we all LOVE Prince, but other than there isn't many hardcore fans my age that I know

TrivialPursuit said:

FJODOR said:

ok.

Meaning to cater only to hardcore fans. There won't be as many hardcore fans, and/or their available money, a decade or two decades down the line. There aren't necessarily new hardcore fans coming up the way we were. The fandom has already cooled off in many regards (but the respect remains). Who are they marketing all that extra stuff to in 20 years? Many of us will be retired, in our 70s, easily, and may not care as much or have the funds to get these things.

The SDEs are still valid of course, but to solely cater that way is illogical.

excuse me, but how is all you got from my post that I want the estate to solely cater to hardcore fans?

I've opted several strategies to keep new people exposed to prince music.

I fail to see what else should be done for them at this point? How are they garnering revenue for
the estate if they don't become big enough fans to buy the music or at least stream his music in
large enough numbers to actually be meaningful in any way?

right now his old fanbase is where there is money. the estate doesn't need a plan for how to work
prince in the limelight 20 years down the line. they need money to pay their taxes now and in the
next 3 years.

it's basically just sustaining the momentum and gravitas that prince has now and building on that
however they can. but prince is no longer here, there is no touring, no promotion etc. there is also
a lot less hype because of that.

what is left is the music and the movies. the music has to do the heavy lifting here. so they just
need someone who is capable and has the skill set to get his music into big movies and games
and advertising. that's what attracts new people, perhaps. but it will still be pennies compared to
dimes from when prince was still alive.

most of HIS money was in touring as well.

the only chance they have of prince hitting the big time again is by a huge bump up through one
of those 'running up that hill' type situations. but those are few and far between. they draw in a
certain number of new people, yes and then the catalogue has to take over and draw them in for
the long haul.

these young people will most likely be streaming his music and get to know it little by little and
maybe, just maybe some of them will become big enough fans to start buying physical releases.

so it would be nice if ALL of his music was on streaming and ALL of his music was on physical
releases, if not in general music stores at least on the estate's own website.

so ryes, right now the only real money they can get is from people who are fans NOW. either
the ones who seem to be buying all these bedsheets and candles or the ones who want the music.

but perhaps i'm missing something here? what would you suggest?