A thread to continue the discussion on the unreleased Netflix (Ezra Edelman) documentary.

Part 1 of the thread was here: https://prince.org/msg/7/471387


Link to the Youtube interview with Ezra Edelman: https://www.youtube.com/w...93Y4ECBCeA

Thanks to andrewcherry for the link, dude!!!

The estate is as invested in the myth of Prince as the majority of people on this forum. All of you would rather disregard the fact that PRN wasn't just an extraordinary artist, he was a man who died alone in an elevator.

I remember commenting on a Brownmark interview here, where he recounted that, despite assurances and reassurances from Prince regarding compensation and credit, he was ultimately ripped off when it came to the song 'Kiss.' Practically the whole forum bore down on me for arguing Brownmark's position; insisting, instead, that he should have been grateful for merely having a spot in the shadow of the great man.

Your hysterical shrieks of outrage, eschewing critical thinking skills, are objectively embarassing, but you will get the documentary you, and the estate, deserve. Good for you.

EugeneKnight said:

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Today's eposide of The Daily podcast from the New York Times is about the documentary: https://podcasts.apple.co...698249942/

I appreciate the pros and cons from all the people posting on this, but,
I just don't understand why a real fan wouldn't want to witness Prince with an unbiased view.

It's like a good friend of mine said to me:
"I wish I could listen to music like a non-musician could..."
He's been a drummer for decades.

For me, this documentary would be über-fascinating!!!

djfine said:

Today's eposide of The Daily podcast from the New York Times is about the documentary: https://podcasts.apple.co...698249942/

Thanks for the link!

This is also a must-listen for any real fan!!!

Warning: This episode contains descriptions of child abuse and domestic abuse.

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djfine said:

"...genius+drive+trauma..."
That's exactly the point of this film that we should all witness.

If i could be a conspirasy theorist for a second,
i could see this doc go "the black album" way...

Whatever documentary the estate releases, I got full confidence they will do right by Prince by treating his life as a musician and creative force with the full integrity Prince deserves, especially posthumously. It's time to turn the page and keep it moving for all parties involved. Prince's legacy is etched in stone. If I hear one more "this would humanize Prince to the masses"...smh. Like Prince's personal struggles weren't chronicled in countless books, tabloids and public conjecture.

bashraka said:

Whatever documentary the estate releases, I got full confidence they will do right by Prince by treating his life as a musician and creative force with the full integrity Prince deserves

djfine said:

nayroo2002 said:

"...genius+drive+trauma..."
That's exactly the point of this film that we should all witness.

If i could be a conspirasy theorist for a second,
i could see this doc go "the black album" way...

I totally agree. It's also the exact reason why I want to so anxiously to see the uncut version of this film.

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And I agree again; for sure it will find it's way out some time soon.

Ezra Edelman also is somehow 'open' for more interviews now, which is good news i think.

He's first of all definding his work of art. And, somehow, saying fuck you to MakeMillions, Spicer, LLC and PW's decision.

Ezra said something interesting about Paisley Park (27m18s) :

"...What you see is a museum full of rooms named after albums,rooms full of things, rooms full of outfits, but, ther's really no mention of 'sex', there's really no mention of 'religion', there's like glossy... things, that's being promoted for monetairy gain... (Prince) who wore glitsy outfits and shoes, who made all this work. And all of it is true. But, like it's so much deeper. His struggles between good and evil and himself. The struggle that you see in the music and the art. And then how it played out in his life. It's like... how can you 'not want to tell' that story!..."

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That is exactly why I want to listen 'more, and again' to his music, see his performances, etc, that I/we already know from the heart. This for me is very important. Not just the superficial enjoying of the music in itself. Indeed I want to hear the drive, the situations in his life that made him write and perform his unique art. Because that's what it is, super unigue! His genius is the only thing we know, and i'm tired of hearing this all the time. Because it is so obvious.

Though it can never be killed or cancelled, only be reinforced in great depth and detailed inner stories. I'm all in for that. Nothing else. Certainly not at my age and day. I'm too old to not care. I wanna know more, to try and paint that imperfect picture of Prince, to understand better how all this wonderful music is meaningful crafted.

Ndorphinmachina said:

djfine said:

Today's eposide of The Daily podcast from the New York Times is about the documentary: https://podcasts.apple.co...698249942/

Nice. I reject their premise that "the vault is basically empty" I don't think any fans considered, even for a moment, That there would be personal/home videos in there. I think we all knew everything in the vault was going to be work related. Perhaps hoping there might be some outtakes, where he was just having a laugh, or messing around in the studio. It was always going to be performance based. As for ex's being erased. That seems common. I don't know anyone who's keeping pictures and videos of their ex. It doesn't seem healthy. Other than that it's not a bad listen.

We have a small bit of that : Nadeera & Prince...

"...What you see is a museum full of rooms named after albums,rooms full of things, rooms full of outfits, but, ther's really no mention of 'sex', there's really no mention of 'religion', there's like glossy... things, that's being promoted for monetairy gain... (Prince) who wore glitsy outfits and shoes, who made all this work. And all of it is true. But, like it's so much deeper. His struggles between good and evil and himself. The struggle that you see in the music and the art. And then how it played out in his life. It's like... how can you 'not want to tell' that story!..."

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This is 100% false. It makes me question Edelman even more. Take the Paisley Park tour yourself. They talk about Prince's spirituality, his conversion to JW. In the Purple Rain portion of the tour they talk about Darling Nikki, explicit lyrics, Tipper Gore, etc.

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2ndly, the origins of the tour come from when Prince was alive and what they would talk about during the PP tours during Prince: A Celebration. So, that dictates "what is talked about" quite a bit as well.

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skywalker said:

"...What you see is a museum full of rooms named after albums,rooms full of things, rooms full of outfits, but, ther's really no mention of 'sex', there's really no mention of 'religion', there's like glossy... things, that's being promoted for monetairy gain... (Prince) who wore glitsy outfits and shoes, who made all this work. And all of it is true. But, like it's so much deeper. His struggles between good and evil and himself. The struggle that you see in the music and the art. And then how it played out in his life. It's like... how can you 'not want to tell' that story!..."

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This is 100% false. It makes me question Edelman even more. Take the Paisley Park tour yourself. They talk about Prince's spirituality, his conversion to JW. In the Purple Rain portion of the tour they talk about Darling Nikki, explicit lyrics, Tipper Gore, etc.

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2ndly, the origins of the tour come from when Prince was alive and what they would talk about during the PP tours during Prince: A Celebration. So, that dictates "what is talked about" quite a bit as well.

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I have taken the VIP PP tour 2x times at the Cellies.

2019 (previous Estate): the tour guide did not talk about any of this or maybe it was dependent on the guide.

2023 (McMillions Estate): there was not even a tour guide present

So when did you go, because it seems that they change it up everytime, therefore Ezra could be also right.

Also it is indeed a glossy experience everything seems sanitized to show only the myth and not any struggle P had.