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Documentaries (or biographical books) are better off not being subject to the documentary's subject's approval. If they are, they may end-up being PR not journalism. Now I understand the appeal of having access to the vault and all that, but of course that was a risky bet. Speaking of unauthorized shit, I'm listening to the Dirty Monroe's "cover" of Vibrator for the first time as I type, and it ROCKS A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ |
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Kares said:
. Of course, obviously, here on the org we would be all up for 60 hours of documentary. But we hardcore fans are a niche. Even the movie about MJ will go through his entire Life in 2hours. I like Schwarzenegger, but not to the extent of watching all thé épisodes on his documentary on Netflix. But I watched the 1h30 Doc about Stallone. You could do 6 hours about, said, MJ. He id the Jackson 5 before Off The Wall, then he did 3 albums at 35 millions and more. Prince numbers dropped dramatically After Purple Rain, so for even casual fans or admirators, that's not worth more than 2 hours of someone's Time, sorry to say the obvious. Netflix Lost his mind if they really have a huge amont of money on that. | |
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TBH the production costs of documentaries like this are peanuts by comparison to the live action series or movies Netflix produces. I don't think it's of a paramount importance to them whether it's 6 or 9 hours, whether people watch everything or not. They produce content by the ton, some of it being more important for the publicity and getting new subscribers than for the real amount of views. It's already paid for by now anyway, so I'm not sure they care whether people stop after the Purple Rain episode or go all the way. When they stop watching, the algorithm will suggest them another doc or whatever. A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ |
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Documentaries (or biographical books) are better off not being subject to the documentary's subject's approval. If they are, they may end-up being PR not journalism. Now I understand the appeal of having access to the vault and all that, but of course that was a risky bet. Speaking of unauthorized shit, I'm listening to the Dirty Monroe's "cover" of Vibrator for the first time as I type, and it ROCKS Then, what to think about thé Netflix 5/6 hours Doc about Ted Bundy? They made a serial killer look like he was a human,sympathetic guy. Very cool with the kids and all. So when you are the previous Prince estate and you see that shit, you are expecting a PR doc, at least not making thé artiste look like a moron and a woman molester. And what was the point to open the vault to Netflix ? You really think people Care about listening to 30 sec of an unreleased track ( and god knows hé has thousand of them), or 30 sec here and there extracted from concert footage? Nobody Cares. The casual audience doesn't Care, and the fan would liké to see/ hear the whole thing. If there was some marketing strategy behind ( OST, New concerts released/ made available on Netflix), why not, but there s none. | |
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databank said:
TBH the production costs of documentaries like this are peanuts by comparison to the live action series or movies Netflix produces. I don't think it's of a paramount importance to them whether it's 6 or 9 hours, whether people watch everything or not. They produce content by the ton, some of it being more important for the publicity and getting new subscribers than for the real amount of views. It's already paid for by now anyway, so I'm not sure they care whether people stop after the Purple Rain episode or go all the way. When they stop watching, the algorithm will suggest them another doc or whatever. I m sure the production cost peanuts, but many here believe/claim Netflix gave a 7 zero check to the estate for the rights to produce that Doc, access to the vault, etc. You also have to pay the director a huge some of money to dedicate/ lost 3/4 fucking years of his Life or so to this documentary that will never see the light of day [Edited 2/5/25 14:06pm] | |
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Do not agree. Prince was not visible in the numbers, true, so what? He was unlimited, gigantically respected, and known in the whole music bizz and beyond, only for hs being, his persona, his stage skills and obviously also his music. Netflix smelld this, that's why they took edelman. There are thousands other doc makers who can do two hours of anyone... that wasn't their goal, clearly. 6 hours is fine. A mini series. People have no problems with 6 hours, probably also not with 9 hours. If it's made well, like a good series should do, it works. "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts." (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972) |
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Do not agree. Prince was not visible in the numbers, true, so what? He was unlimited, gigantically respected, and known in the whole music bizz and beyond, only for hs being, his persona, his stage skills and obviously also his music. Netflix smelld this, that's why they took edelman. There are thousands other doc makers who can do two hours of anyone... that wasn't their goal, clearly. 6 hours is fine. A mini series. People have no problems with 6 hours, probably also not with 9 hours. If it's made well, like a good series should do, it works. Obviously, it didn't Work at all, since you ll never get to see it. Prince disappeared from public eye like 30 years ago. He was still a good album seller in the US, but not to the extent of being Usher or Lady Gaga. Outside the US and maybe the UK he was invisible from thé public eye, for those not bothering to be interested. Who could blame them? There s no really big drama/ scandal in Prince Life that could resonate in everyone's interest: he wasn't shot like John Lennon, he wasn't accused of molesting Children, his son didn't die falling from a building, he never was really political, etc. Sure, he had his own dramas, and hé made an ass of himself by changing his Name, but not to the extent of interesting enough the audience that long. | |
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He did not dissapeared from 'the public eye' at all the last 30 years, like you say. Maybe yes, from a/your mainstream point of view, like the billboards, the numbers, scandals, the hot news, tabloids, hits. I repeat : "he was loved, admired, unlimited, gigantically respected, and known in the whole music bizz and beyond, for his for his incomparable form of musical genius, application, display, persona, his stage skills and obviously also his unparalled music." He actually still does, believe it or not. Even ten years after his death. Is it less now then ten years ago? sure. Release that doc and we'll all see if it's true what I say or not. Simple. "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts." (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972) |
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