Again, Prince was ahead of his time - remember the (then unfortunatley shelfed) project where one could buy a 7 CDs set of Prince sounds and then use this for your own songs...

https://princevault.com/i...ies_(2000)

Combine this with the fact that we are about to make great progress on really good music AIs (the next creative wave)...

Now imagine these Prince soundbites are added into a music AI along with all released Prince songs - and with a cool user interface - man, I could create me a "new" song everday - I could be Prince !!!!

No more vault tracks needed

Bullshit, fascinating, scary, I want it now? Can't make up my mind...

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Krid said:

Again, Prince was ahead of his time - remember the (then unfortunatley shelfed) project where one could buy a 7 CDs set of Prince soundbites and then use this for your own songs...

https://princevault.com/i...ies_(2000)

Combine this with the fact that we are about to make great progress on really good music AIs (the next creative wave)...

Now imagine these Prince soundbites are added into a music AI along with all released Prince songs - and with a cool user interface - man, I could create me a "new" song everday - I could be Prince !!!!

No more vault tracks needed

Bullshit, fascinating, scary, I want it now? Can't make up my mind...

I know what you mean but I would hope that Ai and Prince never mix

Krid said:

Again, Prince was ahead of his time - remember the (then unfortunatley shelfed) project where one could buy a 7 CDs set of Prince soundbites and then use this for your own songs...

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By the time P had this idea, music sample CDs already had a fairly big market. He was just going to follow that trend. Hardly "ahead of his time" in this particular field.

If you're going to use "big words", look them up first. The word you should look up is "soundbite". Which doesn't mean what you think it means.

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Then again, you think using AI to create shitty music is a good idea.

bizzie said:

If you're going to use "big words", look them up first. The word you should look up is "soundbite". Which doesn't mean what you think it means.

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Then again, you think using AI to create shitty music is a good idea.

Not being a native speaker, I looked it up just now, and you are right. What I obviously meant was short snippets of music... Learned something today, thank you!

Now, however, I am surprised that you think AI will automatically create shitty music... not a very open-minded attitude. And anyway, my post was a bit tongue-in-cheek, but I guess that did not come accross either

bizzie said:

If you're going to use "big words", look them up first. The word you should look up is "soundbite". Which doesn't mean what you think it means.

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Then again, you think using AI to create shitty music is a good idea.

The speed things are going, it won't be long before AI is making fantastic music. I'm not suggesting it's a good idea but AI is going to be everywhere in the future.

I feel like with AI, people will create their own music using their favorite artists' voice and musical style. Imagine prompting something like : "Create a Prince song that sounds like 1999 and change the lyrics to x,y, z , add in x,y,z instruments etc".

paisleyparkgirl said:

I feel like with AI, people will create their own music using their favorite artists' voice and musical style. Imagine prompting something like : "Create a Prince song that sounds like 1999 and change the lyrics to x,y, z , add in x,y,z instruments etc".

and it will sound like shit
AI isn't creative enough and I think will never be creative enough to 'feel' music and create something that touches the soul like a person can. It will always be a bad interpretation/interpolation or mix of something that already exists because AI can't think and feel so it will always use things someone told it that is 'good' or 'emotional' by way of examples and not having any idea of what that person actually means.
AI making music to me is just Autotune that;s a bit extra.

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JorisE73 said:

AI isn't creative enough and I think will never be creative enough to 'feel' music and create something that touches the soul like a person can.

Wanna bet?

JorisE73 said:

paisleyparkgirl said:

I feel like with AI, people will create their own music using their favorite artists' voice and musical style. Imagine prompting something like : "Create a Prince song that sounds like 1999 and change the lyrics to x,y, z , add in x,y,z instruments etc".

and it will sound like shit
AI isn't creative enough and I think will never be creative enough to 'feel' music and create something that touches the soul like a person can. It will always be a bad interpretation/interpolation or mix of something that already exists because AI can't think and feel so it will always use things someone told it that is 'good' or 'emotional' by way of examples and not having any idea of what that person actually means.
AI making music to me is just Autotune that;s a bit extra.

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Hmm wouldn't be so quick to say that. For instance, with writing, there is an option to "humanize" your script. I'd assume it would be the same with conveying emotion.

Time will tell.

olb99 said:

JorisE73 said:

AI isn't creative enough and I think will never be creative enough to 'feel' music and create something that touches the soul like a person can.

Wanna bet?

haha, no man. I know technology will kep going forward, so artificial emotions will be a thing and younger people or future generaions will eventually be duped into 'feeling' whatever emotion AI tries to duplicate and project on them as if it's 'real' because they don't know better and because AI will have dominated there media and they will likely have been exposed to more atificial emotions than real ones and will eventually just fail to diferenciate them, but I really thnk AI will never be able to truly understand what it is to 'feel' something to emote that feeling and connect to people in a 'spiritual' sense. Teh only emotion AI will unwillingly give me is embarasment.

paisleyparkgirl said:

JorisE73 said:

and it will sound like shit
AI isn't creative enough and I think will never be creative enough to 'feel' music and create something that touches the soul like a person can. It will always be a bad interpretation/interpolation or mix of something that already exists because AI can't think and feel so it will always use things someone told it that is 'good' or 'emotional' by way of examples and not having any idea of what that person actually means.
AI making music to me is just Autotune that;s a bit extra.

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Hmm wouldn't be so quick to say that. For instance, with writing, there is an option to "humanize" your script. I'd assume it would be the same with conveying emotion.

Time will tell.

yeah I tried that for a couple of years with different AI software (have been using AI for years regading scripting and other IT related things for my work) but none come even close because it will all be a bad 'remix' of what was already there. AI will never understand the difference between something truly hilarious and something really funny.

JorisE73 said:

olb99 said:

Wanna bet?

haha, no man. I know technology will kep going forward, so artificial emotions will be a thing and younger people or future generaions will eventually be duped into 'feeling' whatever emotion AI tries to duplicate and project on them as if it's 'real' because they don't know better and because AI will have dominated there media and they will likely have been exposed to more atificial emotions than real ones and will eventually just fail to diferenciate them, but I really thnk AI will never be able to truly understand what it is to 'feel' something to emote that feeling and connect to people in a 'spiritual' sense. Teh only emotion AI will unwillingly give me is embarasment.

I don't think it will be a case of ignorance or lack of critical skills. We will all be unable to tell the difference.

Now you're talking about feeling emotions, etc. That wouldn't be artificial intelligence, but artificial consciousness. I don't know how consciousness works. Nobody does. Science doesn't know. Philosophy doesn't know. Religions don't know (they usually just postulate the existence of souls without any evidence, but that's not even an explanation). But I'm pretty sure (i.e. I'm ready to bet) that we don't really need to "feel emotions" to create music that triggers deep emotions in us.

Anyway, judging what AI will be able to do in 10 or 20 years based only on what it can do now is like judging what chess software would be able to do in 1997 (i.e. beat the best player in the world) based on what they were able to do in 1977 (i.e. not much).

AI is killing creativity and killing the planet

Raevene said:

AI is killing creativity and killing the planet

Creativity? yes
teh planet, lol, no way. The planet is too strong and adaptable to kill. Teh planet willjust evolve and wipe everyting out it doesn't need as usual.

paisleyparkgirl said:

I will say, though, that no matter how perfectly they recreate it, some listeners need to feel a connection with the artist to truly enjoy the music. Knowing it's not really Prince singing may not bring the same joy to someone who relates to his music in this deeply personal way.

Exactly. That's the case for me. That's why I'm deeply excited and disturbed at the same time by what's coming those next 5, 10, 15 years and more.

JorisE73 said:

Raevene said:

AI is killing creativity and killing the planet

Creativity? yes
teh planet, lol, no way. The planet is too strong and adaptable to kill. Teh planet willjust evolve and wipe everyting out it doesn't need as usual.

The planet as a "ball of metal/rock moving through space" will probably survive for a few billion years.

I think most people are more concerned about the limited ressources at the surface of Earth and also about the future of human beings as a species.

But, yeah, saying that AI is killing the planet is hyperbolic. Machine learning models, LLMs, etc. use a huge amount of energy. But I'm not too concerned about that. We have a huge ball of hydrogen in fusion 8 light-minutes away (aka the Sun), which will continue to give us energy for the billion of years to come.

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