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This was acording to a review of the doc from a couple of folks who were reviewing it. They mentioin that the director couldnt find a center the documentary ultil he spoke to Wendy, Lisa and Jill. That he would build the heart of it against their compelling stories of working with Prince. It's supposed to be a tragic telling of a lonely man who cared about nothing but his craft. Questlove himself said after watching it he cried for days and and needed help from his psychiatrist and did not want to end up like Prince.
Everyone who has seen it has praised it, and the director is known for quality work, so it is what it is and I cannot wait to see it myself. We know no one is perfect and if we want truth and the reality of it, then we should expect and not be surprised to see it. [Edited 1/8/25 21:17pm] | |
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If a film has been shelved from release it can viably be considered "ruined" without that being a criticism or castigation on the quality of the content itself.
How is there even fervent interest in this from the types here in the first place?
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If a film has been shelved from release it can viably be considered "ruined" without that being a criticism or castigation on the quality of the content itself.
How is there even fervent interest in this from the types here in the first place?
[Edited 1/8/25 23:22pm] There has yet to be a half way decent Prince Doc and this one is getting a lot of praise. And yes we all have flaws. Not your cup of tea? Well don’t see it when it is released. This is one of hopefully more Prince docs to come. Perhaps we will get a corny one you can get behind later. | |
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- There are those pictures of his lonely bedroom with pills and makeup [Edited 1/9/25 10:37am] | |
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I don't think people fully appreciate what we had living amongst us. When's the next Michelangelo or Da Vinci or Mozart coming around? Not for centuries, if ever. Prince was up there. I don't think even Prince could really fathom Prince out. A Netflix doc? Give me a break. | |
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It's always easier to long for what we don't have (anymore) than appreciate what we have. Or something to that effect. The Stoics had this all figured out 2300 years ago. [Edited 1/9/25 13:25pm] | |
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I think a lot of fans don't want Prince to be seen as some sort of tragic figure but hey, considering his early circumstances and how he passed, it's inevitable. It's heartbreaking but you can't hide some things. | |
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I belong to neither group (neither a teenybopper nor seasoned) I'm in the middle but as far as the interest goes, I believed the "seasoned" ones are annoyed that this Netflix deal is holding up things deemed important to the seasoned fandom like future SDE's...you know...the long awaited PARADE SUPERDELUXE. | |
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Yep, the reviews I read come to the same conclusion. [Edited 1/9/25 16:00pm] | |
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I tink another point of contention general audiences may have for the doc may be about Prince "grooming" young underage girls like Mayte and Anna Fantastic. Though supposedly keeping things non sexual until they turned to legal age when he was already in his 30's. The doc does not shy away from pointing these things out. | |
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Well yeah. What ruined this fansite and drove everyone away was the terrible egocentric moderation by people who have no bussiness being tasked with moderation.. [Edited 1/9/25 16:55pm] | |
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Bingo. Trying 2 hide from the truth rarely works. Graycap23 was ME! | |
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BUMP!!!!!!!!!!!
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.. but "the truth" is subjective.Hopefully this is the start that opens the door for more detailed discussions of the talent and life of Prince. Hopefully this gets a lot of things out of the way so we may get a better, more well rounder perspective. No doc is going to be "definitive" or even should. The Estate and bootlickers have nothing to worry about. There will be more, this is only the begining. | |
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If a film has been shelved from release it can viably be considered "ruined" without that being a criticism or castigation on the quality of the content itself.
How is there even fervent interest in this from the types here in the first place?
[Edited 1/8/25 23:22pm] Doesnt matter about it being on Netflix (though there have been good music docs on Netflix like the dylan tolling thunder film) so much as prince finally getting the longform documentary treatment as dylan, stones, Beatles, etc. Now whether those artists would allow for controversies like in this Edelman documentary, prob not, so this could be seen as daring in a good way or just poor judgement. Obv the estate have seen it as the latter. [Edited 1/10/25 7:50am] | |
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. This nonsense again. Go to Princevault and look up his tours and live performances. There are long stretches of him doing none. . - The Parade tour was a dozen shows in Europe and a handful in Japan and a dozen shows in the USA. . - The Purple Rain tour had barely started and he was already sick of it. . - His only tour in 2012 consisted of half a dozen concerts. . - His only tour in 2014 consisted of a dozen concerts. . - He didn't tour in 2015. . - His 2003 "world tour" consists of 8 (EIGHT) concerts, and that's the only tour he did that year. . - No tour in 2005. Or in 2008. Or in 2009. . I didn't even go through all the decades and already I found all these examples. . For a comparison: Bob Dylan has done more than 70 concerts per year since 1988 (except for 2020 and 2021, but that's when there was a worldwide virus): https://www.setlist.fm/st...6adb8.html . | |
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Hee, love it PIPS! Eurgh... | |
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. This nonsense again. Go to Princevault and look up his tours and live performances. There are long stretches of him doing none. . - The Parade tour was a dozen shows in Europe and a handful in Japan and a dozen shows in the USA. . - The Purple Rain tour had barely started and he was already sick of it. . - His only tour in 2012 consisted of half a dozen concerts. . - His only tour in 2014 consisted of a dozen concerts. . - He didn't tour in 2015. . - His 2003 "world tour" consists of 8 (EIGHT) concerts, and that's the only tour he did that year. . - No tour in 2005. Or in 2008. Or in 2009. . I didn't even go through all the decades and already I found all these examples. . For a comparison: Bob Dylan has done more than 70 concerts per year since 1988 (except for 2020 and 2021, but that's when there was a worldwide virus): https://www.setlist.fm/st...6adb8.html . Yep. Still annoyed about the cancelled Sign O’ The Times Wembley show in 1987 - the Americans didn’t even get a tour of that because he’d moved on. There’s a whole section on Prince Vault about cancelled/rescheduled shows - https://princevault.com/i...d_Concerts Edit: @mclihah2 you said, “There was something sad and lonely about him at the end.” I agree and that’s likely true at quite a few points during his life too, hence his immersion in producing quite a bit of music [Edited 1/10/25 22:54pm] There may or may not be something coming! | |
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. This nonsense again. Go to Princevault and look up his tours and live performances. There are long stretches of him doing none. . - The Parade tour was a dozen shows in Europe and a handful in Japan and a dozen shows in the USA. . - The Purple Rain tour had barely started and he was already sick of it. . - His only tour in 2012 consisted of half a dozen concerts. . - His only tour in 2014 consisted of a dozen concerts. . - He didn't tour in 2015. . - His 2003 "world tour" consists of 8 (EIGHT) concerts, and that's the only tour he did that year. . - No tour in 2005. Or in 2008. Or in 2009. . I didn't even go through all the decades and already I found all these examples. . For a comparison: Bob Dylan has done more than 70 concerts per year since 1988 (except for 2020 and 2021, but that's when there was a worldwide virus): https://www.setlist.fm/st...6adb8.html . He definitely toured in 2015. I saw him for the last time in April 2015 in Detroit. | |
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Tours: https://princevault.com/i...ur_History - 13 performances in 1989 - 15 performances in 1991 - 25 performances in 1996 - 17 performances in 2003 - 16 performances in 2005 - 18 performances in 2008 - 26 performances in 2009 - 21 performances in 2012
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It's more the essence of what he was doing - I was there in 2014 for the Manchester Hit n Run show - These UK shows were last minute and intense - You could tell that Prince was connected to his audience... it really meant something to him.
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skywalker said:
Agreed. Either of those two would do fine. They should have asked Spike Lee to do it in the first place. Absolutely 100 % correct! | |
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Bingo. Trying 2 hide from the truth rarely works. The common theme with both Anna and Mayte is that their mothers were involved with their situations . The age of consent in England is 16.The age of consent in Minnesota is 16. The age of consent in many places across the US and the world is 16. This is not condoning or offering condemnation for this behavior. If the documentary doesn't bring context to this then it dives into tabloid speculation and I'm sure their legal teams are well aware of this fact. | |
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[Edited 1/9/25 11:37am] Which is quite frankly absurd, because I don't see how anybody who had even a moderate interest in Prince and his music from the 80s through 2016 could dispute that he was lonely. He sang about it frequently. He also sang about his flaws, albeit less often (see Letitgo). I'm mostly interested in this doc because of the trove of unreleased video of live performances - the estate has been so frustratingly reluctant to give us much of this - the show on the D&P SDE being the huge exception. To me, that's really the most exciting previously unseen/unheard material we've gotten since he died. My holy grail is any and all video from 1988 through 1994/95. There's gotta be so much, and we've seen and heard so little. No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
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