ShellyMcG said:

MIRvmn1 said:

I would love to hear Betrayer, Grace and Streets of Panama but if they are in the hands of the elite traders, then the chances are small

I really don't understand why anyone would hoard all this stuff for themselves. If I ever came across any unreleased songs that I knew nobody else had you can be sure they'd be up on YouTube by the end of the day. Share the wealth and all that.

I'm out of the loop as I didn't even know about this one...
I guess Prince only did the prodction/music ?

Pangaea by Prince & Eryn Allen Kane (2015)

MIRvmn1 said:

rudeboy4711 said:

Is the full version only circulating amongst small circles? I’ve only been able to come across the 2+ minute version that was uploaded back in April

I'm not sure there is a full version. All I could find was a fanmade 7min 14sec version.

I checked, and listened again; it's indeed a fanmix.

But...

the song itself is a version with unheard additions, like a rhythm guitar throughout the song.

Is this the extended unreleased Prince version? Can someone confirm that?

Cause in this version, where the word 'vicky' is replaced with Prince's telephone conversation's voice with Anna, repeating 'Anna'.

Meaning i never heard this version without the copy/paste 'Anna' word over it.

Anyone has this? Heard this? Is it in circulation?

ShellyMcG said:

MIRvmn1 said:

I would love to hear Betrayer, Grace and Streets of Panama but if they are in the hands of the elite traders, then the chances are small

I really don't understand why anyone would hoard all this stuff for themselves. If I ever came across any unreleased songs that I knew nobody else had you can be sure they'd be up on YouTube by the end of the day. Share the wealth and all that.

Exactly.

Those who don't share, are either affraid of damagaing their contact(s) or reputation, (which is somehow understandable, like Questlove...)

or,

in case of just being a nobody in the business, being just a Prince fans so to say,

are just unsocial unadult selfish brats, child level horders.

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I share all i have. Simple as that. It's not mine, it's Pirnce's music.

And I never ask for anything in return, no trade, nothing.

These Prince fans aren't fans to me, they're not even music fans.

They're unadult selfish, child level horders.

ShellyMcG said:

MIRvmn1 said:

I would love to hear Betrayer, Grace and Streets of Panama but if they are in the hands of the elite traders, then the chances are small

I really don't understand why anyone would hoard all this stuff for themselves. If I ever came across any unreleased songs that I knew nobody else had you can be sure they'd be up on YouTube by the end of the day. Share the wealth and all that.

Vannormal said:

Funkyslap said:

Vannormal said:

No. I heard the full version. (7min15sec)

[Edited 12/5/24 1:22am]

I'll always be amazed by people who make such solid affirmations without even verifying the truth behind it first. Speak first, think later, seem to have become the norm.

What I find alarming is that even here, among supposedly hardcore fans, fanmade mixes are often taken for granted as being genuine.

Clearly, people who just roam YT for music won't ever figure out (or even think they should think of figuring out) what's what. Thankfully, those mixes usually don't find their way to Spotify and Deezer, which remain, I guess, the main platforms used by people for music. Sadly, YT is open bar for everything and nothing. I'd find it more comforting if those things were confined to Soundcloud or other niche platforms.

Mindbells9 said:

ShellyMcG said:

I really don't understand why anyone would hoard all this stuff for themselves. If I ever came across any unreleased songs that I knew nobody else had you can be sure they'd be up on YouTube by the end of the day. Share the wealth and all that.

I think the main reason is because as long as it's kept within a tight circle, it holds value as far as being able to be traded for other uncirculating things. I can't take something in wide circulation, like All Day All Night, and try to trade it for Dear Uncle George. These traders are only willing to risk a trade if they're getting something that holds just as much value. Once it's widely shared, it's worthless, from a trading standpoint. And with the infrequent release schedule we're on with the estate, people are even more adamant about keeping their stashes in tight circles because it seems that at this point, the only way they'll get something worthwhile is from other traders and not the estate. Which sucks for those of us on the outside of these trading circles. I don't like it, but I can understand the thinking behind it

ShellyMcG said:

But if everyone just put out everything they have then there's no need for trading because we'd all have it. Then nobody needs to worry about stuff losing its value.

for reference i think for the most part it is all smoke and mirror bullshit and for a good number of people it really is as simple as "i have it and you don't lol" despite what they want to claim... BUT

some stuff i understand is sensitive. people have sources, further that chain goes the closer you get to the artist or bandmembers or a&r people - and people just get really weird about it and i wouldn't want to burn bridges thus letting down people that were kind enough to trust you in the first place and also walling you off from future sharing.

i don't feel entitled to everything, and i'm sure not every piece of content someone has is ok to be shared, but i don't doubt that there are dozens of people with hundreds of songs that no one would care got out and they hold onto it for... value or ego or whatever. there's good folks with stuff and then evil folks with stuff. truly.

lustmealways said:

ShellyMcG said:

lustmealways said:

for reference i think for the most part it is all smoke and mirror bullshit and for a good number of people it really is as simple as "i have it and you don't lol" despite what they want to claim... BUT

some stuff i understand is sensitive. people have sources, further that chain goes the closer you get to the artist or bandmembers or a&r people - and people just get really weird about it and i wouldn't want to burn bridges thus letting down people that were kind enough to trust you in the first place and also walling you off from future sharing.

i don't feel entitled to everything, and i'm sure not every piece of content someone has is ok to be shared, but i don't doubt that there are dozens of people with hundreds of songs that no one would care got out and they hold onto it for... value or ego or whatever. there's good folks with stuff and then evil folks with stuff. truly.

Definitely comes across as ego to me. Hopefully we'll get a boat load of releases next year though and this kind of conversation will be null and void. To be honest, all I really want is outtakes from 3121 onwards. As much as I love the 80s and 90s stuff, I think it's high time we got some later career outtakes.

It is a fact, though, that betraying a friend who entrusted you with something is not nice and something most decent folks would feel uncomfortable doing. Sometimes, the source of your material is just trading and you don't care for the person who traded with you, it was 100% business. Sometimes, though, it's someone you care for or you're grateful to, and you don't wanna be an ass.

databank said:

databank said:

masaba1 said:

databank said:

It is a fact, though, that betraying a friend who entrusted you with something is not nice and something most decent folks would feel uncomfortable doing. Sometimes, the source of your material is just trading and you don't care for the person who traded with you, it was 100% business. Sometimes, though, it's someone you care for or you're grateful to, and you don't wanna be an ass.

I mean fair but you could also go this song would make a lot of ppl happy so I know it might make you mad but I think it's for the greater good to put it out there.

I'm not sure if any of the above posts have spelled out the issue as fully or clearly as may be needed...

For many leaked songs, there was only a very small number of people within Prince's circle who had access to them. Thus, if the song made its way into more public bootleg circulation, Prince would have been able to easily narrow down the person who leaked it. Prince would be angry at that person and cut them off (and maybe fire them if they were a Paisley Park employee).

Granted, in that event, you'd likely be way the down the chain and not connected the original source. In other words, the original source gave the song to someone, who gave the song to someone else, who gave the song to yet another person, who gave the song to someone else, who gave the song to you . . . So maybe you don't care that you've burned the orginal source. But the original source knew who they'd gven the song to, so they'll cut off that person . . . and that person will cut off whoever they shared it with, and so on. It's a domino effect.

Also, if the original source had access to Paisely Park, by publicly releasing the song and burning them, you've cut off a primary source of bootlegs -- which means you've screwed the entire Prince fan community.

With all of that said, I do believe with Prince's passing much of what I wrote above should no longer be a major of a concern. It certain limited circumstance, original sources (espeically for those people working with the Estate) might have a legit fear of getting cut off.

But I suspect that most of the original sources with stashes of unreleased, non-circulating material aquired their collection years ago. They no longer have access, and are no longer aquiring new stuff, so there's no fear of being cut off. Yes, they could be cut off from other traders / middlemen, but that's circular logic. If the original sources collectively agreed to release their stuff, then this problem wouldn't exist.

That's why, even though I understand there's some logic to being careful in releasing this stuff, I agree that in many cases it's just ego / wanting to have something no one else owns.

[Edited 12/12/24 13:15pm]

lurker316 said:

masaba1 said:

databank said: I mean fair but you could also go this song would make a lot of ppl happy so I know it might make you mad but I think it's for the greater good to put it out there.

I'm not sure if any of the above posts have spelled out the issue as fully or clearly as may be needed...

For many leaked songs, there was only a very small number of people within Prince's circle who had access to them. Thus, if the song made its way into more public bootleg circulation, Prince would have been able to easily narrow down the person who leaked it. Prince would be angry at that person and cut them off (and maybe fire them if they were a Paisley Park employee).

Granted, in that event, you'd likely be way the down the chain and not connected the original source. In other words, the original source gave the song to someone, who gave the song to someone else, who gave the song to yet another person, who gave the song to someone else, who gave the song to you . . . So maybe you don't care that you've burned the orginal source. But the original source knew who they'd gven the song to, so they'll cut off that person . . . and that person will cut off whoever they shared it with, and so on. It's a domino effect.

Also, if the original source had access to Paisely Park, by publicly releasing the song and burning them, you've cut off a primary source of bootlegs -- which means you've screwed the entire Prince fan community.

With all of that said, I do believe with Prince's passing much of what I wrote above should no longer be a major of a concern. It certain limited circumstance, original sources (espeically for those people working with the Estate) might have a legit fear of getting cut off.

But I suspect that most of the original sources with stashes of unreleased, non-circulating material aquired their collection years ago. They no longer have access, and are no longer aquiring new stuff, so there's no fear of being cut off. Yes, they could be cut off from other traders / middlemen, but that's circular logic. If the original sources collectively agreed to release their stuff, then this problem wouldn't exist.

That's why, even though I understand there's some logic to being careful in releasing this stuff, I agree that in many cases it's just ego / wanting to have something no one else owns.

I could not agree more.

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ust like I tried to explain...

The reason why owners of uncirculated material react so constipated, and will not share, is probably due to a confluence of circumstances. Like, for instance, the flood of online reproaches, misunderstandings, wanting to be right due to unverified information, etc....
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Then you get reactions with pinched buttocks and hurt (big) egos. That's what I often infer anyway. Petty behaviour, and petulant attitudes. And pour a thick sauce of personal frustrations over that.

Prince's version of Baby Doll in lossless wav

JorisE73 said:

JorisE73 said:

JorisE73 said:

Prince's version of Baby Doll in lossless wav

.

Listening now. Nice even if quite generic.

MIRvmn1 said:

dodger07 said:

MIRvmn1 said:

I can't find it.

On YT now. This is a track from the Symbol SDE so you wonder if the rest could be on the way….

if the rest is on the way, it's probably a good indication that the symbol sde will get an official release.

dodger07 said:

Baby Doll - Prince Vault

Baby Doll is an unreleased track recorded in late April - early May 1992, at Studios 301, Sydney, Australia, while in Sydney on the Diamonds And Pearls Tour (during the same set of sessions as Goldnigga, Deuce & A Quarter, Goldie’s Parade, Everybody Get On Up and A 1,000 Hugs And Kisses).

The lyrics were written by Australian pop singer Kylie Minogue and the track was intended for her.

The song is listed here as a "Prince and the New Power Generation" track, as Kylie Minogue did not re-recorded it and the only version that is known to exist is by the full band with Prince on lead vocals.

Baby Doll was one of the Vault tracks recorded between 1990 and 1992 slated to appear on the planned Diamonds & Love expected to be released by The Prince Estate in the summer of 2022. That project, which consisted of material spanning both the Diamonds And Pearls and eras, was reduced to the Diamonds And Pearls era, excluding songs recorded after October 1991 (and this track as a result).

listening to "Baby Doll" now

Kylie Minogue says she’d still like to release Baby Doll, the track she wrote with Prince: “I would love it one day if his estate would grant me permission to do something with it”

https://www.musicradar.co...-baby-doll

olb99 said:

Kylie Minogue says she’d still like to release Baby Doll, the track she wrote with Prince: “I would love it one day if his estate would grant me permission to do something with it”

https://www.musicradar.co...-baby-doll

I would like to hear it.

With This Tear and Face 2 Face (haven't found it myself yet tho but have heard the wavs going around since last night)