EnglishGent2 said:

TrivialPursuit said:

How is it untrue?

ShellyMcG said:

I get why we're not allowed to openly discuss where to find such things

Shelly is saying we're not allowed to discuss were to find them and that is absolutely true.

Ahh, that's true. I misread it. My bad.

Know what the avantage of AI is?

Someone on our known video channel was able to deciphre Prince's backwards vocals on Shortberry Strawcake, that were buried deep into the song.

See?

After 40 years, these things are possible.

He made his own mix out of it, but it's just great to hear.

Fan-mixes & AI can be so much worth it for things the Estate probably never will do.

(NinetyNineProblems, but AI ain't mine. )

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"...And it came as a massive surprise that hidden within the track is the first mention of a project that wouldn't be released until half decade later!..."

[Edited 11/28/24 8:00am]

Vannormal said:

Someone on our known video channel was able to deciphre Prince's backwards vocals on Shortberry Strawcake, that were buried deep into the song.

Holey-Moley!
What are those lyrics???

nayroo2002 said:

Vannormal said:

Someone on our known video channel was able to deciphre Prince's backwards vocals on Shortberry Strawcake, that were buried deep into the song.

Holey-Moley!
What are those lyrics???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2qrFwc-bgg

I found the video but TBH I still can't decypher a thing he's saying , so IDK what the "first mention of a project that wouldn't be released until half a decade later" is.

[Edited 11/28/24 8:37am]

Yeah, it's still jibberish!

(but that little guitar break is the same as the one in "Chocolate")

[Edited 11/28/24 8:44am]

I can't figureit out, but someone will.

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Love also the Vanity 6's version he did of "Boy"

and the Nikka Costa string version of "Silver Tongue".

All smart work with so l-much love.

etc...

It's on PrinceVault, guys. "Graffiti Bridge".

olb99 said:

It's on PrinceVault, guys. "Graffiti Bridge".

Ah cool, thanks

I may be imagining things, but I think I remember reading that GB was the real nickname of a bridge near MPLS (destroyed before the movie was made, thus recreated for it IIRC), so if I'm not trippin', it's not necessarily a "first mention of a project", more a mention of a real location that eventually became a project. Interesting nonetheless.

Vannormal said:

I can't figureit out, but someone will.

-

Love also the Vanity 6's version he did of "Boy"

and the Nikka Costa string version of "Silver Tongue".

All smart work with so l-much love.

etc...

His Prince vocal remix version of "4 Love" is straight pure FUNK in yo face

FragileUndertow said:

@ Shortberry Strawcake

Reverse the track. Isolate the vocals. Can easily been done. I've done it in the past But it comes out there same as those of you have heard. You can make out a few lines here and there. But it's really hard to desopher the rest [Typo fix] [Edited 11/29/24 17:11pm]

Good for you but, nope.

Not many people have the know-how to do things like that.

I for one.

Must be an IT or internet nerd thing.

[Edited 11/29/24 21:26pm]

I know I'm posting twice on this same thread, but this leak has cheered me up a lot! There is something understated about the track in its simplicity that I love ❤️

MIRvmn1 said:

No Changes from 1987 seems to be a new leak.

What a wonderful 'rough' piano tune.

Isn't it older?

So great to hear new things after all these decades of dust.

andrewm7new said:

I know I'm posting twice on this same thread, but this leak has cheered me up a lot! There is something understated about the track in its simplicity that I love ❤️

I feel the same about this song!

I have it on repeat lol

Love all of his vocals, sooo smooth.

Trufunksoulja said:

andrewm7new said:

I know I'm posting twice on this same thread, but this leak has cheered me up a lot! There is something understated about the track in its simplicity that I love ❤️

I feel the same about this song!

I have it on repeat lol

Love all of his vocals, sooo smooth.

Same for me too.

I know its the novelty of a new song for us but I really like it. And the fact DJ Rashida may or may not have put the Anita Baker sample loop in doesn't alter that for me.

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At the same time it makes you more frustrated by the estate. The material they're sitting on they could have the hardcore fan base buzzing with frequent releases like this...

dodger07 said:

AI is already getting out of hand!

I noticed on YouTube someone has taken Princes demo vocals and put them over finished versions by other artists to create a whole album worth of tracks, which they've named "Get Blue".

It's surprisingly good, but this is going to get confused with real leaked tracks very quickly!!

[Edited 12/3/24 3:35am]

happyshopper said:

AI is already getting out of hand!

I noticed on YouTube someone has taken Princes demo vocals and put them over finished versions by other artists to create a whole album worth of tracks, which they've named "Get Blue".

It's surprisingly good, but this is going to get confused with real leaked tracks very quickly!!

[Edited 12/3/24 3:35am]

You're right but anyway all we have left for years to come is AI & leaked tracks.

Not what we expected but still better than nothing at all.

[Edited 12/3/24 4:42am]

fredmagnus said:

happyshopper said:

AI is already getting out of hand!

I noticed on YouTube someone has taken Princes demo vocals and put them over finished versions by other artists to create a whole album worth of tracks, which they've named "Get Blue".

It's surprisingly good, but this is going to get confused with real leaked tracks very quickly!!

[Edited 12/3/24 3:35am]

You're right but anyway all we have left for years to come is AI & leaked tracks.

Not what we expected but still better than nothing at all.

[Edited 12/3/24 4:42am]

In my opinion, that person is doing is all a favour - He's sticking with the spirit of Prince's music but using AI to split up the tracks and give us new mixes and versions... It's just a modern version of remixes - For example, the Batdance remixes etc

In some cases, like Strawberry Shortcake, we're getting fabulous new creations - Again, it's all from the source material.

We're not talking about AI creating new music or anything silly like that - Very much fan curating and splicing what's already there.

And much better than what the estate are doing

mclihah2 said:

fredmagnus said:

You're right but anyway all we have left for years to come is AI & leaked tracks.

Not what we expected but still better than nothing at all.

[Edited 12/3/24 4:42am]

In my opinion, that person is doing is all a favour - He's sticking with the spirit of Prince's music but using AI to split up the tracks and give us new mixes and versions... It's just a modern version of remixes - For example, the Batdance remixes etc

In some cases, like Strawberry Shortcake, we're getting fabulous new creations - Again, it's all from the source material.

We're not talking about AI creating new music or anything silly like that - Very much fan curating and splicing what's already there.

And much better than what the estate are doing

It's a 'she'.

Hint: she has one hundred problem5 (minus 1).

What I love the most is the inventive way of using isolated Prince vocals over songs P's written for others. It gives a 100% Prince feel, and authentic vibe of what it could've been done by P himself.

I really love these mixes and mashups.

Some artist have their songs remixed by famous DJs.

For me this gives the same result.

She's inventive and uses songs we mostly skip, don't like, or simply forgot about.

Like 'My Little Pil', 'There's Others Here With Us', plus some Madhouse like trax... fogotten instrumentals. All very good.

She's asking to follow her, so she can post every week a new song.

mclihah2 said:

fredmagnus said:

You're right but anyway all we have left for years to come is AI & leaked tracks.

Not what we expected but still better than nothing at all.

[Edited 12/3/24 4:42am]

In my opinion, that person is doing is all a favour - He's sticking with the spirit of Prince's music but using AI to split up the tracks and give us new mixes and versions... It's just a modern version of remixes - For example, the Batdance remixes etc

In some cases, like Strawberry Shortcake, we're getting fabulous new creations - Again, it's all from the source material.

We're not talking about AI creating new music or anything silly like that - Very much fan curating and splicing what's already there.

And much better than what the estate are doing

It brings the question of whether it's ethical to remix tracks after an artist's death (or without the consent owning the masters if the label choses to do so). Admitedly, I have listened to (and enjoyed) such official remixes on rare occasions, so I'd be dishonest if I said I condemn the practice entirely. And admitedly, once an artist is gone, it doesn't make a difference whether it's an official remix mandated by the label or fans doing it.

.

That said, I have not and will most likely never care for, or listen to fanmade mixes because I have no interest in them, if only because so far, those few cases where I enjoyed such posthumous remixes were because they were made by professional musicians who actually did add something personal and/or interesting to the songs, turning them into something else entirely (for example, Bill Laswell's posthumous remixes of Bob Marley: one may like them of not, but he definitely did turn Marley's music into Laswell music).

.

To mention one Prince fanmix I have heard recently, I certainly wouldn't call Strawberry Shortcake a fabulous new creation, it's just soup IMHO. So is any song substituting Prince's vocals to someone else's and, for that matter, those frankensteined songs on Originals. It doesn't bring any added, personal, creatively challenging value to the songs. It's just soup.

.

But I guess at the end of the day, my perspective remains that I do not listen to music to be entertained, which is why I have zero interest in anyone "improving" an artist's music in order to make it more digestible. What I'm interested in is observing an artist's creative process, in all its glories and failures. I often enjoy listening to records I don't really like or watching movies I don't really like, particularly if they're from a musician or director I usually do like. I don't get frustrated. I have fun observing what it is I think does not work and why, and what I think does work despite the flaws.

.

Now probably, some day, there will be a brand new, original record (or novel, or film) made entirely by an AI that I will find mindblowing. I'm very curious about the day it happens and how I will react to it. And maybe someday some fan —with or without an AI— will remix Prince and add something truly unique to the songs, that gives them a whole new flavor that I will find interesting. But people and/or AI removing Tony M. from Willing And Able, reversing backward vocals or adding Prince's vocals to I Hear Your Voice aren't doing me a favor. No offense to the people making those, I'm sure they mean well, but as far as I'm concerned, they're just ruining Prince's work and the result is, well... soup

happyshopper said:

AI is already getting out of hand!

I noticed on YouTube someone has taken Princes demo vocals and put them over finished versions by other artists to create a whole album worth of tracks, which they've named "Get Blue".

It's surprisingly good, but this is going to get confused with real leaked tracks very quickly!!

Clearly. Any casual listener running into those will believe they're the real thing.

databank said:

... I'm sure they mean well, but as far as I'm concerned, they're just ruining Prince's work and the result is, well... soup

Pretty soon (the next 100 years, or so?), noone newly born will ever learn how to play a musical instrument within their lifetime.
Why should they?
All twelve notes have already been used in every possible way.
Plus, AI can do it all for us with super generic results.

nayroo2002 said:

databank said:

... I'm sure they mean well, but as far as I'm concerned, they're just ruining Prince's work and the result is, well... soup

Pretty soon (the next 100 years, or so?), noone newly born will ever learn how to play a musical instrument within their lifetime.
Why should they?
All twelve notes have already been used in every possible way.
Plus, AI can do it all for us with super generic results.

This could be said about pretty much any human activity. And it'll probably be much sooner than 100 years.

Hopefully (let's be optimistic for the sake of it ) it will be like Star Trek and people will just acquire skills and do things because they want to. We tend to forget it, but liberating humans from labor is an old humanist dream.

TrivialPursuit said:

fredmagnus said:

happyshopper said:

AI is already getting out of hand!

I noticed on YouTube someone has taken Princes demo vocals and put them over finished versions by other artists to create a whole album worth of tracks, which they've named "Get Blue".

It's surprisingly good, but this is going to get confused with real leaked tracks very quickly!!

[Edited 12/3/24 3:35am]

You're right but anyway all we have left for years to come is AI & leaked tracks.

Not what we expected but still better than nothing at all.

[Edited 12/3/24 4:42am]

I think "nothing at all" is preferable to AI created Prince tracks.

nayroo2002 said:

All twelve notes have already been used in every possible way.

.
This is such a stubborn misconception, sorry, but I hate hearing it all the time.
For the record: music is not just "12 notes". It's a mix of an endless number of notes in between those 12 too, an endless variety of rhythm, timbre, intonation, instrumentation, artistic expression – there'll be no "running out of unique combinations" ever.

databank said:

mclihah2 said:

In my opinion, that person is doing is all a favour - He's sticking with the spirit of Prince's music but using AI to split up the tracks and give us new mixes and versions... It's just a modern version of remixes - For example, the Batdance remixes etcIn some cases, like Strawberry Shortcake, we're getting fabulous new creations - Again, it's all from the source material.We're not talking about AI creating new music or anything silly like that - Very much fan curating and splicing what's already there.And much better than what the estate are doing

It brings the question of whether it's ethical to remix tracks after an artist's death (or without the consent owning the masters if the label choses to do so). Admitedly, I have listened to (and enjoyed) such official remixes on rare occasions, so I'd be dishonest if I said I condemn the practice entirely. And admitedly, once an artist is gone, it doesn't make a difference whether it's an official remix mandated by the label or fans doing it.

.

That said, I have not and will most likely never care for, or listen to fanmade mixes because I have no interest in them, if only because so far, those few cases where I enjoyed such posthumous remixes were because they were made by professional musicians who actually did add something personal and/or interesting to the songs, turning them into something else entirely (for example, Bill Laswell's posthumous remixes of Bob Marley: one may like them of not, but he definitely did turn Marley's music into Laswell music).

.

To mention one Prince fanmix I have heard recently, I certainly wouldn't call Strawberry Shortcake a fabulous new creation, it's just soup IMHO. So is any song substituting Prince's vocals to someone else's and, for that matter, those frankensteined songs on Originals. It doesn't bring any added, personal, creatively challenging value to the songs. It's just soup.

.

But I guess at the end of the day, my perspective remains that I do not listen to music to be entertained, which is why I have zero interest in anyone "improving" an artist's music in order to make it more digestible. What I'm interested in is observing an artist's creative process, in all its glories and failures. I often enjoy listening to records I don't really like or watching movies I don't really like, particularly if they're from a musician or director I usually do like. I don't get frustrated. I have fun observing what it is I think does not work and why, and what I think does work despite the flaws.

.

Now probably, some day, there will be a brand new, original record (or novel, or film) made entirely by an AI that I will find mindblowing. I'm very curious about the day it happens and how I will react to it. And maybe someday some fan —with or without an AI— will remix Prince and add something truly unique to the songs, that gives them a whole new flavor that I will find interesting. But people and/or AI removing Tony M. from Willing And Able, reversing backward vocals or adding Prince's vocals to I Hear Your Voice aren't doing me a favor. No offense to the people making those, I'm sure they mean well, but as far as I'm concerned, they're just ruining Prince's work and the result is, well... soup

With all due respect, there is no really better or morally sound way to listen to, enjoy or not enjoy Prince's music for study purposes.
We all have different approaches to his output, and just as well. I fully support those who can see the added value through the layering, and then want to take the liberty of sharing that with the rest of us paying mortals.
Getting deep into Prince's world of life in a special way adds value to the researchers.

But then that is often only for the very few.
Prince made music to leave it up to the spectator. Pretty much like any artist.
What the spectator does with it is entirely up to them I believe.

It's out there. And in 2024 the world has a very different approach when it comes to music and enjoying it.

All opinions aside, it's all about how the music is perceived, listened to and enjoyed or not. Right?

Be it versions made by established names, or versions made by fans/ DIY-ers.

IMHO of course.