olb99 said:

databank said:

Nevertheless, what really made me realize something has changed, besides the fact that there are much less threads on the Music and More forum, is how the General Discussion forum is nearly dead (5 ongoing threads as I write!). I remember a time when GD was a vibrant community, with new threads every day, people made friends, etc. The fact that we did actively discuss many other things than Prince was a sign that there was a real community here. And now it's all gone and I wonder what became of all those people... But I have fond memories of the GD forum in the 2000s, it was lovely and lots of fun

The Politics & Religion forum was also the reason why some people were "here" (I'm thinking about Toejam from the P&B podcast, for example). When it closed 3 years ago, some people certainly left.

I also have fond memories of a Miles Davis mailing list (replaced with a barely active Google Group in 2011). Back in the 90s / early 00s, people were using those kinds of places to hang around. They were communities, as you say. If you were "bored", you could use them to talk about anything (politics and religion, yes, but also current events or that weird dream you had last night).

Most of those places were probably destroyed/damaged by Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc. That's were "you go" when you're bored now. The damage has irremediably been done. Not only for Prince, but for many other topics as well.

That reminds be of the time when we only had a couple of TV channels (yeah, I'm that old). People were watching the same movies, the same TV shows, the same news programs, etc. and you could actually talk about them, because everybody was watching the same thing. Now we have a lot more variety (and quality as well). But everybody's watching different things, listening to some obscure artists, etc. I love it. But at the same time, it makes the discussion between random persons a bit more difficult. We're sharing less common ground. It has introduced a kind of separation, of distance between all of us.

Why did the Politics & Religion forum go?

leecaldon said:

Why did the Politics & Religion forum go?

Ben: "Hey all -- I've decided the Politics & Religion forum, which has somehow managed to exist on prince.org for about 20 years, probably really doesn't fit with the site's core mission any longer and have closed it. Big thanks to the moderators of that forum for all the hard work all these years! Let's focus on the music and more positive things in life, we all need more of that these days! Love & peace, Ben"

The P&R forum on archive.org: https://web.archive.org/w...rg/msg/105

[Edited 12/4/24 5:50am]

I for one am reeeeaallllyy happy the Politics and Religion forum is gone!

I prefer NOT to know what some Prince fans think and believe.

Let's stick to the music, and leave all fuckedup trumpistery, the blood-on-their-hands-bibles-religions, and smelly conspiracy theories far away from here.

I mean it.

WOOOOOW!

Have a pure WODKA, bottoms UP.

Smoke some pure WEED and CHILL.

NO NEED to prepare a heart attack.

LIVE and LET LIVE.

And don't forget to smile,

and enjoy your collection of Prince bootlegs.

U feel bettter?

CAL3 said:

What’s really fucked are the people here who are constantly on about “we” this and “us” that. . The sheer sense of ENTITLEMENT of some folks is truly stomach-churning. . .......... . Since literally the couple weeks after he died, it’s been the SAME thing on this forum for EIGHT years and counting. “Cool, they released such-and-such, WHEN IS THE NEXT ONE? WE ARE OWED IT!”

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CAL3 said:

What’s really fucked are the people here who are constantly on about “we” this and “us” that. . The sheer sense of ENTITLEMENT of some folks is truly stomach-churning. . “WE haven’t had anything new in a year.” . “He wanted US to hear it all!” . And on and on and on. . Cults suck no matter what they are centered on. And the Prince cult, at its worst, is sickening. . Goddamn, NONE OF YOU know what Prince wanted or didn’t want done with his vault stuff. He could’ve released a shit ton more than he already did if he “wanted ‘us’ to hear it.” But we’ll never ever know and any claims to the contrary are founded on wishful thinking. He probably knew damn well that much of the vault material sucked - a considerable amount of tracks vomited up on the “1999,” “Purple Rain,” “Sign,” and “Diamonds” sets didn’t deserve to see the light of day. . Anyone who thinks a documentary featuring a story of abuse committed against a woman wouldn’t do more harm than good is fucking delusional. . But what kills me is WHY anyone really CARES what if the kiddos these days are listening to Prince. YOU can listen. I can listen. And who really cares if the new kids are discovering him or not? I mean, what difference could it possibly make to anyone’s life? . Prince died extremely prematurely with zero plan for his legacy. WHY the hell is an anyone blaming Londell or anyone else. WAKE UP. It’s been more than EIGHT YEARS. Prince took absolutely not one single solitary minute infinitesimal step to lay the groundwork for his legacy in the event of his passing. Did he not care? No one knows. No one will. He left a mess for other people to deal with. It’s not their fault. THEY DON’T OWE ANYONE ANYTHING. Neither did Prince. . How much unfinished material does anyone need before they will feel satiated? Some fools have said “oh I want it ALL, every note.” Jesus, the ENTITLEMENT knows no bounds. “He died! Now I’m OWED every note he ever committed to tape! I’m such a ‘fan’ I MUST have everything!” . Meanwhile, the few box sets that have emerged have landed with DULL THUDS for 99.99% of humanity. No need to carp about what they “should’ve done” or what they “should do.” NEWSFLASH: it doesn’t matter. It’s over, Johnny. . The next generation by and large doesn’t give a RAT’S ASS about hours and hours of unfinished (and largely uninspired) vault music. It’d be nice, sure, if the music was ACTUALLY KNOW that he wanted “us” (meaning everyone) to hear will continue to be heard. But releasing $200 sets LARDED with extra tracks ranging from so-so to outright junk isn’t going to earn a whole lot of new recruits to the Purple Cult. . Not that a word of this rant would even give a split-second’s pause to the whining “fams” who want every scrap, until Prince’s impact and legacy is so diluted with a proliferation of non-essential music that would inevitably outweigh the quality work he “wanted us to hear” (and make NO mistake, the ONLY music we know he WANTED “US” to hear is the music he chose to release during his time on this planet - ranging from “When Doves Cry” to “1999: The New Master” - but “we” take the good with the not-so-good and thankfully there’s a frigging LOT of music “we” know for certain he wanted to be heard). . Since literally the couple weeks after he died, it’s been the SAME thing on this forum for EIGHT years and counting. “Cool, they released such-and-such, WHEN IS THE NEXT ONE? WE ARE OWED IT!”

pretty much

CAL3 said:

What’s really fucked are the people here who are constantly on about “we” this and “us” that. . The sheer sense of ENTITLEMENT of some folks is truly stomach-churning. . “WE haven’t had anything new in a year.” . “He wanted US to hear it all!” . And on and on and on. . Cults suck no matter what they are centered on. And the Prince cult, at its worst, is sickening. . Goddamn, NONE OF YOU know what Prince wanted or didn’t want done with his vault stuff. He could’ve released a shit ton more than he already did if he “wanted ‘us’ to hear it.” But we’ll never ever know and any claims to the contrary are founded on wishful thinking. He probably knew damn well that much of the vault material sucked - a considerable amount of tracks vomited up on the “1999,” “Purple Rain,” “Sign,” and “Diamonds” sets didn’t deserve to see the light of day. . Anyone who thinks a documentary featuring a story of abuse committed against a woman wouldn’t do more harm than good is fucking delusional. . But what kills me is WHY anyone really CARES what if the kiddos these days are listening to Prince. YOU can listen. I can listen. And who really cares if the new kids are discovering him or not? I mean, what difference could it possibly make to anyone’s life? . Prince died extremely prematurely with zero plan for his legacy. WHY the hell is an anyone blaming Londell or anyone else. WAKE UP. It’s been more than EIGHT YEARS. Prince took absolutely not one single solitary minute infinitesimal step to lay the groundwork for his legacy in the event of his passing. Did he not care? No one knows. No one will. He left a mess for other people to deal with. It’s not their fault. THEY DON’T OWE ANYONE ANYTHING. Neither did Prince. . How much unfinished material does anyone need before they will feel satiated? Some fools have said “oh I want it ALL, every note.” Jesus, the ENTITLEMENT knows no bounds. “He died! Now I’m OWED every note he ever committed to tape! I’m such a ‘fan’ I MUST have everything!” . Meanwhile, the few box sets that have emerged have landed with DULL THUDS for 99.99% of humanity. No need to carp about what they “should’ve done” or what they “should do.” NEWSFLASH: it doesn’t matter. It’s over, Johnny. . The next generation by and large doesn’t give a RAT’S ASS about hours and hours of unfinished (and largely uninspired) vault music. It’d be nice, sure, if the music was ACTUALLY KNOW that he wanted “us” (meaning everyone) to hear will continue to be heard. But releasing $200 sets LARDED with extra tracks ranging from so-so to outright junk isn’t going to earn a whole lot of new recruits to the Purple Cult. . Not that a word of this rant would even give a split-second’s pause to the whining “fams” who want every scrap, until Prince’s impact and legacy is so diluted with a proliferation of non-essential music that would inevitably outweigh the quality work he “wanted us to hear” (and make NO mistake, the ONLY music we know he WANTED “US” to hear is the music he chose to release during his time on this planet - ranging from “When Doves Cry” to “1999: The New Master” - but “we” take the good with the not-so-good and thankfully there’s a frigging LOT of music “we” know for certain he wanted to be heard). . Since literally the couple weeks after he died, it’s been the SAME thing on this forum for EIGHT years and counting. “Cool, they released such-and-such, WHEN IS THE NEXT ONE? WE ARE OWED IT!”

It's perfectly fine to say, "WE haven't had anything new in a year" - when the stuff is released, it's for people like us to buy. Agreed that for some people it's never enough.

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It's difficult to know the impact the documentary will have. The legacies of many other artists have survived much, much worse.

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In terms of unreleased music, we do know that he had no strong feelings about what happened to it after his death, as he had every opportunity to put plans in place for that. We also know what he said publicly about other people releasing music after his death, and what he told people close to him.

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Some incredible music has been released from the vault, and some not so great. I guess the discussion is whether to see the entire workings and output of an artists for posterity or only just the perceived best (and then it is the opinion of the gatekeepers). I believe someone quit the Purple Rain deluxe edition in 2017 because they didn't agree Velvet Kitty Cat (?) should be released.

leecaldon said:

CAL3 said:

What’s really fucked are (...)

It's perfectly fine to say, "WE haven't had anything new in a year" - when the stuff is released, it's for people like us to buy. Agreed that for some people it's never enough.

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It's difficult to know the impact the documentary will have. The legacies of many other artists have survived much, much worse.

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In terms of unreleased music, we do know that he had no strong feelings about what happened to it after his death, as he had every opportunity to put plans in place for that. We also know what he said publicly about other people releasing music after his death, and what he told people close to him.

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Some incredible music has been released from the vault, and some not so great. I guess the discussion is whether to see the entire workings and output of an artists for posterity or only just the perceived best (and then it is the opinion of the gatekeepers). I believe someone quit the Purple Rain deluxe edition in 2017 because they didn't agree Velvet Kitty Cat (?) should be released.

Indeed, it is acceptable to say that we have had nothing (hardly any news) in the past year.
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And the fact that it's never enough for fans; I guess because everyone has their own favourite album to get SDE treatment. Hence all the complaining and comments if you put it that way.
I would love to see SDEs for all 80s albums so far, including G.Bridge. It is his most important and interesting era, widely accepted. Of course, I would appreciate SDE treatments for his later output, if so. We have no choice in what is in the making.
So I welcome whatever comes. If anything else is released. If not, so be it.
I won't whine about it anymore. It is what it is. Indeed, we have already released and unreleased so much that most of us have never even looked at.
There are so many live shows on YT, in poor quality, but they are there

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Indeed, Prince clearly stated that his unreleased music would be released by others after his death.
And yes, he had every opportunity to plan his legacy, but he didn't.
We all know why. First, he did not trust any living organism. Second, he was constantly trying to get back on track, get into the charts, reinvent himself, etc.
There was just no time for him to go back, and he never wanted to look back. He said it in many interviews. That's reasonable. But why did he say so often that the best is in the vaults? Why

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Look at the poorly managed PR 1st remaster, which he supposedly oversaw. Oversight my ass tbh.
He didn't care. Although for a moment I thought he did care, when I saw PR's vinyls behind him on the AOA release cover art. Still no real explanation as to why he did that.
I can only hope that one day everything will be available for study. But because it has to make money, this will never happen. Gatekeepers will come and go and are no guarantee of quality. It will always depend on what is left in the vaults, when choosing the edition.

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They will milk PR into another SDE if they do, I am not sure if they do, but if so, it will never be complete. Some fans will complain, again. The purists, completists, the perfectionists. The omnivore 'we-know-it-all better' fans, the so-called die hards to the bone. Only, Prince himself was never a perfectionist, far from a completist, not a purist as such, and far from consistent.

Interviews with engineers made that more than clear since his passing.

[Edited 12/9/24 8:10am]

Dead like Elvis

What some of you don't know is there was a mass banning of orgers over the P&R forum. Unfairly and they were never let back. The mod that did this was kicked off the Org. Many of us reached out to try to get the posters who were banned back to no avail.

Also the org was hacked and everyone had to re-sign up for their own account with the original email address that we signed up with. Lot's of people were on here for years and of course couldn't remember that email address, so that screwed some people over.

CAL3 said:

What’s really fucked are the people here who are constantly on about “we” this and “us” that. . The sheer sense of ENTITLEMENT of some folks is truly stomach-churning.

I believe you've misused the word "entitlement".

Fans desperately desire more Prince music. That's not entitlement. Entitlement is when they believe they have a right to something.

In other words, fans are saying, "It would make me extremely happy to hear more stuff and I really, really want it." That is not the same as saying, "I have a right to more music."

It's completely normal, and actually a good thing, that fans desire more music.

PennyPurple said:

What some of you don't know is there was a mass banning of orgers over the P&R forum. Unfairly and they were never let back. The mod that did this was kicked off the Org. Many of us reached out to try to get the posters who were banned back to no avail.

Also the org was hacked and everyone had to re-sign up for their own account with the original email address that we signed up with. Lot's of people were on here for years and of course couldn't remember that email address, so that screwed some people over.

There was some real nut cases in P&R.

and by real.......i mean REAL.

Over my dead body.

StrangeButTrue said:

Dead like Elvis

Exactly - Virtually every other fandom survives with something new every few years. It is like when Prince was with us and the Org complained that there was had been nothing new since last Saturday.

That is not to say that the estate and management should not do better.

Gooddoctor23 said:

PennyPurple said:

What some of you don't know is there was a mass banning of orgers over the P&R forum. Unfairly and they were never let back. The mod that did this was kicked off the Org. Many of us reached out to try to get the posters who were banned back to no avail.

Also the org was hacked and everyone had to re-sign up for their own account with the original email address that we signed up with. Lot's of people were on here for years and of course couldn't remember that email address, so that screwed some people over.

There was some real nut cases in P&R.

and by real.......i mean REAL.

I agree.

Glad it's gone.

Gooddoctor23 said:

PennyPurple said:

What some of you don't know is there was a mass banning of orgers over the P&R forum. Unfairly and they were never let back. The mod that did this was kicked off the Org. Many of us reached out to try to get the posters who were banned back to no avail.

Also the org was hacked and everyone had to re-sign up for their own account with the original email address that we signed up with. Lot's of people were on here for years and of course couldn't remember that email address, so that screwed some people over.

There was some real nut cases in P&R.

and by real.......i mean REAL.

No kidding.

littlemissG said:

Prince has so many live concert recordings that would make the best “Best of” compilation album ever. That would be a gift to all the fans who never had the privilege of seeing Prince live.

Yeah. Agree.

If only ever...

littlemissG said:

Prince has so many live concert recordings that would make the best “Best of” compilation album ever. That would be a gift to all the fans who never had the privilege of seeing Prince live.

Good idea - as a small affordable video and streaming focused release for the casual and potential new fans, together with a vinyl, CD, DVD/Bluray versions for oldies and collectors every year or so of things like this. This will do more to keep the fandom alive than DEs and SDEs, merch and discussions about past grievances.

There is only "Manic Monday" "Purple Rain" "Nothing Compares 2 U" & "Kiss".

The rest has unfortunately been forgotten by the world outside of this -fandom-

This place seems dead and some of that could be put down to (some of) the mods.