Gooddoctor23 said:

JorisE73 said:

I'm not saying the mid 90s wasn't a exiting time, I also love that era, but most of his fans were put off by the name change the lackluster releases that he tried to sabotage etc. and it all showed because he couldn't even sell out arenas anymore.

lol....musicology was literally arenas.........in the 2,000s.

And your point is? Musicology was 2004, his so called 'comeback', we were talking about his fall off in the 90s when his fanbase died.

bozojones said:

JorisE73 said:

Obviously not, but you seem to be.
Prince didn't inform us about anything his entire career and wasn't transparent in the slightest and why should he?
Now they are still doing that (standard business practice) and suddenly it's a problem. Besides the people who do inform us (not here obviously) told us already some of the behind the scenes things going on since 2016, but it seems people here just like to make up things and bash the management for what is only going on in there own heads. Insane.
In the 90s probably 90% of his fanbase moved on but luckily for Prince the internet became a thing and the 10.000 fans left could interact easier with each other and they are still around.
His fandom is exactly where it was back in 98, call it dead or whatever, it doesn't matter in the end.

Londell and Charles aren't Prince. They shouldn't be trying to emulate the more frustrating parts of Prince's career and personality, either. They run the estate and should work with a professional transparency of what is going on and what fans can expect. If you don't agree with that, well, I hope you enjoy this current shitshow.

OK, I'm someone who can be patient and I don't think the fans are onb there radar at the moment, simply because they have more important things to sort out then to inform the couple of thousand bitching and moaning whiners that are left who atre delusional enough to think they are entitled or owed transparency of anything going on at Paisley Park. Prince didn't think much of his 'Fans' so why should they?
Just be patient maybe something will shows up, maybe not, there is enough material to listen to for the moment.

JorisE73 said:

bozojones said:

Londell and Charles aren't Prince. They shouldn't be trying to emulate the more frustrating parts of Prince's career and personality, either. They run the estate and should work with a professional transparency of what is going on and what fans can expect. If you don't agree with that, well, I hope you enjoy this current shitshow.

OK, I'm someone who can be patient and I don't think the fans are onb there radar at the moment, simply because they have more important things to sort out then to inform the couple of thousand bitching and moaning whiners that are left who atre delusional enough to think they are entitled or owed transparency of anything going on at Paisley Park. Prince didn't think much of his 'Fans' so why should they?

What important things, self-congratulatory tweets and shilling merchandise on their online store? You act like these guys are working tirelessly behind the scenes in a way that will pay off down the road if we all just give the estate a little more grace than we already have. Meanwhile, they've been fleecing the fans for the last two years straight and haven't shown any signs of pivoting to a strategy that actually honors Prince's music and legacy.

Londell and Charles have shown exactly who they are, and they ain't worth defending. Stop sticking your neck out for these dipshits and tsk-tsking fans for their rightful criticism.

leecaldon said:

lurker316 said:

Are you joking? It's the hardcore fan, not the casual fan, who wants them to go in chronological order. The Estate's strategy of targeting the biggest hits is the way to interest casual fans. It's not necessarily to my personal tastes. Like you, I would love if they went in chronological order. But unlike you, I recognize that my person tastes wouldn't be less appealing to the casual fans.

Agreed. A chronological release slate would have made no sense at all from a commercial point of view.

I've said this before, but in the very early 90s Rykodisc started reissuing David Bowie's original albums in sequence from beginning to end, and this had the effect of introducing and familiarizing me and my friends with his work. It was a very successful way to do it, I think. 10 years later when they did remasters, they did the same thing.

Prince's work, especially in the 80s, tells an amazing story if you go sequentially. It's a real journey, and I absolutely think that the estate should do releases that way. Each one of those 80s records deserves special treatment right up through Scandalous Sex Suite /Batman, and Graffiti Bridge.

JorisE73 said:

I really try to be patient, but the frustration grows cuz it appears that the estate chooses to hold back the SDE when there's nothing preventing them from releasing it. They know we want more music, yet they ignore us.

JorisE73 said:

Gooddoctor23 said:

lol....musicology was literally arenas.........in the 2,000s.

And your point is? Musicology was 2004, his so called 'comeback', we were talking about his fall off in the 90s when his fanbase died.

What on Earth r u talking about? Prince's Welcome 2 America tour was 2012......selling out arenas.

2015 Baltimore was an arena.

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FancyLesbian said:

leecaldon said:

Agreed. A chronological release slate would have made no sense at all from a commercial point of view.

I've said this before, but in the very early 90s Rykodisc started reissuing David Bowie's original albums in sequence from beginning to end, and this had the effect of introducing and familiarizing me and my friends with his work. It was a very successful way to do it, I think. 10 years later when they did remasters, they did the same thing.

Prince's work, especially in the 80s, tells an amazing story if you go sequentially. It's a real journey, and I absolutely think that the estate should do releases that way. Each one of those 80s records deserves special treatment right up through Scandalous Sex Suite /Batman, and Graffiti Bridge.

A lot of his records since then deserve it too - Symbol (which is good to go), The Gold Experience, Emancipation, Musicology, 3121, Plectrumelectrum/3rdEyeGirl era.

bozojones said:

... They run the estate and should work with a professional transparency of what is going on and what fans can expect....

uhmm I think they already did inform what the plans are:

1. Cellly 2025: PR 2.0

2. PR Broadway Musical 2025

We don't have to like it, but they were transparent in that regard.

So hopefully they will get their shit show together.

However, these are lawyers running the show, so I am not expecting much.

bozojones said:

JorisE73 said:

OK, I'm someone who can be patient and I don't think the fans are onb there radar at the moment, simply because they have more important things to sort out then to inform the couple of thousand bitching and moaning whiners that are left who atre delusional enough to think they are entitled or owed transparency of anything going on at Paisley Park. Prince didn't think much of his 'Fans' so why should they?

What important things, self-congratulatory tweets and shilling merchandise on their online store? You act like these guys are working tirelessly behind the scenes in a way that will pay off down the road if we all just give the estate a little more grace than we already have. Meanwhile, they've been fleecing the fans for the last two years straight and haven't shown any signs of pivoting to a strategy that actually honors Prince's music and legacy.

Londell and Charles have shown exactly who they are, and they ain't worth defending. Stop sticking your neck out for these dipshits and tsk-tsking fans for their rightful criticism.

Lilke I said, more about the behind the scenes stuff and reasons that for example SDE is blocked for the moment (work on video material etc.) has been told to us months ago and were discussed back then
I'm not defending them at all, heel I don't even like those guys, but I'll wait to pound on these jackasses once they've actually released something that was not from the previous management

Gooddoctor23 said:

JorisE73 said:

And your point is? Musicology was 2004, his so called 'comeback', we were talking about his fall off in the 90s when his fanbase died.

What on Earth r u talking about? Prince's Welcome 2 America tour was 2012......selling out arenas.

2015 Baltimore was an arena.

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Like I said we were talking about the 90s when his fanbase dropped off.
When 2004 arrived with his so called 'comeback' the n sure he sold out some arenas with his nostalgia act catering to tourists and daytrippers. But in the end it's only the same old 10000 fans that bought his records

WhisperingDandelions said:

From that perspective, chronological would actually hype up the fanbase more

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Absolute nonsense.

Trufunksoulja said:

bozojones said:

... They run the estate and should work with a professional transparency of what is going on and what fans can expect....

uhmm I think they already did inform what the plans are:

1. Cellly 2025: PR 2.0

2. PR Broadway Musical 2025

We don't have to like it, but they were transparent in that regard.

So hopefully they will get their shit show together.

However, these are lawyers running the show, so I am not expecting much.

I guess what bozojones meant is that they're not transparent regarding upcoming music releases, which is what most of us remaining fans are interested in.

IIRC, they mentioned on Twitter/X that they need to address/fix a number of legal issues, which includes the Netflix deal, but also other things (the WB soundtracks issue? other issues we don't know about?). The problem is that it can take months, or years. We don't know. They don't have to, but they could give us some updates about what's happening. Obviously, they can't be fully transparent about it. We're talking about legal issues, here. But they could be a bit less vague about what they're doing.

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JorisE73 said:

bozojones said:

Londell and Charles aren't Prince. They shouldn't be trying to emulate the more frustrating parts of Prince's career and personality, either. They run the estate and should work with a professional transparency of what is going on and what fans can expect. If you don't agree with that, well, I hope you enjoy this current shitshow.

OK, I'm someone who can be patient and I don't think the fans are onb there radar at the moment, simply because they have more important things to sort out then to inform the couple of thousand bitching and moaning whiners that are left who atre delusional enough to think they are entitled or owed transparency of anything going on at Paisley Park. Prince didn't think much of his 'Fans' so why should they?
Just be patient maybe something will shows up, maybe not, there is enough material to listen to for the moment.

@Joris,

You know I usually agree with you, but here I have to respectfully disagree.

1.) No one is saying they're "entitled" to a new a release or transparancy about a new release. People are simply saying that a new release, or at least info about it, would: a.) make fans happy, and b.) make good business sense for the Estate. No where in that sentiment is the idea of entitlement.

To put it another way, saying "This would benefit everyone" isn' the samething as saying "You owe me this." For example, if I say I'd desperately like to have sex with Halle Berry, and I'm confident she'd enjoy it, that's not me saying I'm "entitled" to have sex with her.

2.) It makes no sense to make a blanket, general statement that fans need to be patient. "Patience" is a subjective idea on a sliding scale. Is it reaonable to ask fans to be patient and wait one year for the next release? Yes, of course. Is it reasonable to ask fans to be patient and wait 10 years for the next release? No, that's absurb.

To be clear, I understand it's not been 10 years yet, and I realize (hope?) we're likely to get something sooner than that. My point is that there's a line somewhere between 1 year and 10 years that, were the Estate to cross, it would no longer be reasonable.

In other words, there comes a point where patience does't make sense. Are we there yet? That's subjective and reasonable people can disagree.

Moreover, what's wrong with being impatient? It simply means you're eager to have something you love. I'm impaitent to spend time with my family. Is that a bad thing?