^all of which was known to anyone paying attention in 1992!

psyche2 said:

SoulAlive said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

RODSERLING said:

They Don't give a shit about projects that are not leading to millions of $. There are not people paid for that job anymore ( running the vault and the existing catalogue). They are instead working on profitable projects ( that I Hope, won't sée thé light of day)

like this??

jungleshot1 said:

Have to ADD PRIMARY WAVE to this as well. Yes Spicer and McMillian are the front men but PRIMARY WAVE is just as negligent if they are letting it happen and are in agreement.

They aren't (always) in agreement, but Londell vetos everything. He is the #1 problem, full stop.

SoulAlive said:

Exactly !

But... they can't.

We know why,

... sort of, not all 100% clear though.

But it's what it is; nothing will happen in BIG YEAR!.

SoulAlive said:

Record Store Day is in a week and not surprisingly,there is nothing for Prince fans.Why can’t they just throw us a bone every now and then? How about a Camille vinyl release or even a Black Album anniversary release?! I would settle for that.

ItsOnlyMountains said:

Let's be fair : I think both sides are the main problem

andrewm7new said:

The Netflix documentary would bring Prince back into the public consciousness and I would certainly like to see it as it is.

Surely there must be some way to edit it to assuage some of the concerns that the estate has , I would certainly watch it if it was nothing but performance footage.

It was imagined as a biography and I am uncertain that concept could ever be realised with so little or no input from Prince (unavoidable). As it stands it is what everyone else glimpsed combined and can only be viewed though that lens.

The fandom is a strange beast and would be very difficult to come up with material that would energise and intrigue lifers like me and still tickle the interest of the "really loved purple rain, never dived deeper crowd"

[Edited 11/18/24 19:12pm]

The Netflix doc was the only hope to get Prince's name out there but alas !

It will be released somehow and then the whole controversy (via the media) will play out again,
that is, exactly the same reasons why they are putting it on hold for so long.

I'm pretty sure about this.

-

I was thinking the other day, maybe Spicer, Londell and Primary Wave are doing it for exactly this reason, to build even more controversy, to create more buzz, more hype, and maybe to result in more money?
Let's hope that's not the case.

How perverse the idea alone...
Like all the blather to protect his sanctity, his so-called legacy.
I hope I am dead wrong.

this fandom is dead eh?

meanwhile, as this forum is on life support, a thread about a new outtake leak
garners 800+ views in a couple of hours.

the fans are still (t)here, but people just want the music, not all the bullshit or the fluff.

"This fandom" will never die. I'm working on it. I'm brainwas... I mean, I'm educating my 6-year-old son. One day, he'll be a fan, too.

fredmagnus said:

Let's be fair : I think both sides are the main problem

contrary of what i thought 1st ....Mc Millan/Spicer are trying to push the train in the right direction but Primary wave is blocking all the (good) proposals from them it seems !

love2thenines2003 said:

fredmagnus said:

Let's be fair : I think both sides are the main problem

contrary of what i thought 1st ....Mc Millan/Spicer are trying to push the train in the right direction but Primary wave is blocking all the (good) proposals from them it seems !

No.

Yeah, ok. Who is the one that had, what, fourteen pages of changes/demands about the Netflix doc? It wasn't anyone from Primary Wave. People who (still) think Llondell (and Spicer) actually GAF are delusional.

love2thenines2003 said:

fredmagnus said:

Let's be fair : I think both sides are the main problem

contrary of what i thought 1st ....Mc Millan/Spicer are trying to push the train in the right direction but Primary wave is blocking all the (good) proposals from them it seems !

Stop drinking the koolaid.

olb99 said:

Vannormal said:

If this fandom is dead, it is because of this fandom (site).
There is too much disagreement, blaming, chasing mistakes, splitting into camps and childish attitudes, (about sharing music for example alone or where to find something).

This is a sure reason why so many peope left here.

More reasons:

- this site is old, badly maintained, regularly down, threads are regularly disappearing and never re-appearing, etc.

- no proper release since October 2023

- no upcoming release to get excited about

- fans are getting (even) older (and, yes, they also die)

- many other places to discuss Prince (Discord servers, other forums, Reddit, Facebook, etc.)

[Edited 11/21/24 9:02am]

I know, very frustrating.

Vannormal said:

Vannormal said:

It will be released somehow and then the whole controversy (via the media) will play out again,
that is, exactly the same reasons why they are putting it on hold for so long.

I'm pretty sure about this.

-

I was thinking the other day, maybe Spicer, Londell and Primary Wave are doing it for exactly this reason, to build even more controversy, to create more buzz, more hype, and maybe to result in more money?
Let's hope that's not the case.

How perverse the idea alone...
Like all the blather to protect his sanctity, his so-called legacy.
I hope I am dead wrong.

I don't know about Londell, etc... creating hype and all that, but I definitely think it will come out ar some point. Netflix doesn't spend $10Million for no reason, and it seems like the estate is being held up by this not being settled.

RODSERLING said:

Vannormal said:

It will be released somehow and then the whole controversy (via the media) will play out again,
that is, exactly the same reasons why they are putting it on hold for so long.

I'm pretty sure about this.

-

I was thinking the other day, maybe Spicer, Londell and Primary Wave are doing it for exactly this reason, to build even more controversy, to create more buzz, more hype, and maybe to result in more money?
Let's hope that's not the case.

How perverse the idea alone...
Like all the blather to protect his sanctity, his so-called legacy.
I hope I am dead wrong.

Your theory is so beyond ridiculous, when it s so obvious why they are putting it on hold forever. Unless Netflix is going to court, or cut it down to six hours, of course. But thé 9 hours version will never be released officially, everyone understood that.

The 9 hours don't need to be released officially.

There always will be leaks.

Patience is a virtue, and we have nothing else but trust on that.

I can wait. This year's promises are all fucked up anyways.

Someone here reminded us of this too; we have hundreds of hours of music to listen to.

I'm sure every one of us still has Prince material they even didn't listen to or watch.

Even stuff that won't make the 9 hours doc.

That's how much Prince left us, no other artist nearly did the same.

Put on top of that the even bigger mountain of the unreleased stuff circulating.

bozojones said:

It has been over a year since the last SDE. The estate has given us zero new music, zero plans for new music, and zero meaningful communication with the fans whatsoever. Londell and Charles have stubbornly refused to listen to any criticism or feedback, no matter how politely given. All they care about is shilling Prince's name and image for quick and easy cash, his musical legacy be damned.

Meanwhile, fan discussion sites are either dead aside from a handful of grouchy old-timers (a la this place), or full of surface level discussion about the same old handful of topics. The long time fans are shrinking in numbers, and the estate has no plan to turn newer generations onto his music to preserve Prince's artistic legacy. It feels like we're all witnessing the dying gasps of the Prince fandom in real time. It was fun while it lasted.

What olb99 says about the community being split in many more online communities than before is true, 20 years ago, if you wanted to talk Prince, there was basically the Org and HQ (and Shckopi if you spoke French) and that was pretty much it. Today there's a gazillion subcommunities on various social media.

.

Nevertheless, what really made me realize something has changed, besides the fact that there are much less threads on the Music and More forum, is how the General Discussion forum is nearly dead (5 ongoing threads as I write!). I remember a time when GD was a vibrant community, with new threads every day, people made friends, etc. The fact that we did actively discuss many other things than Prince was a sign that there was a real community here. And now it's all gone and I wonder what became of all those people... But I have fond memories of the GD forum in the 2000s, it was lovely and lots of fun

databank said:

Nevertheless, what really made me realize something has changed, besides the fact that there are much less threads on the Music and More forum, is how the General Discussion forum is nearly dead (5 ongoing threads as I write!). I remember a time when GD was a vibrant community, with new threads every day, people made friends, etc. The fact that we did actively discuss many other things than Prince was a sign that there was a real community here. And now it's all gone and I wonder what became of all those people... But I have fond memories of the GD forum in the 2000s, it was lovely and lots of fun

The Politics & Religion forum was also the reason why some people were "here" (I'm thinking about Toejam from the P&B podcast, for example). When it closed 3 years ago, some people certainly left.

I also have fond memories of a Miles Davis mailing list (replaced with a barely active Google Group in 2011). Back in the 90s / early 00s, people were using those kinds of places to hang around. They were communities, as you say. If you were "bored", you could use them to talk about anything (politics and religion, yes, but also current events or that weird dream you had last night).

Most of those places were probably destroyed/damaged by Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc. That's were "you go" when you're bored now. The damage has irremediably been done. Not only for Prince, but for many other topics as well.

That reminds be of the time when we only had a couple of TV channels (yeah, I'm that old). People were watching the same movies, the same TV shows, the same news programs, etc. and you could actually talk about them, because everybody was watching the same thing. Now we have a lot more variety (and quality as well). But everybody's watching different things, listening to some obscure artists, etc. I love it. But at the same time, it makes the discussion between random persons a bit more difficult. We're sharing less common ground. It has introduced a kind of separation, of distance between all of us.

I started lurking here in 2019 and it felt very alive - but that's also probably cause we were getting new music at the time... same with 2020, great memories there.

Exactly, there is still talk here.
Albeit sometimes (more in a) negative (way), but at least we are still debating/talking.
I'm not so negative about all this, or that this or that is dead so to speak.
The truth is, Prince.ORG has never changed. Also the look. I find it rather boring.
Forums that are closed... well, I prefer it to be only about Prince.
Indeed, there are other places where you can still talk and get information about other things. No problems with that.
People have indeed left for different reasons.
But one thing is for sure, since Prince died, a lot has changed for all fans.
Which is somehow normal.
For a start, less Prince news. Of course, when he was alive, there was always more news.
There are less exciting releases, because there is no will (let's face it), and because of all the mess we are in now.
The main thing for me is that we are all getting older + lack of new, younger fans.
Forums and chats, like time change and move on.
Still, there is more unreleased and pirated material out there today than ever before.
You can find all that if you make good and smart use of the internet.
Entire live shows are available for all to see. That was hardly the case when Prince was alive. And I know the quality is usually low, but it's there.
Another problem among fans is sharing. I never and still have no problems with sharing.
Sharing seems for alot of older fans a problem of getting older.

Getting older = becoming more conservative. Name it what you want but it's somehow true.

Granting someone something to get nothing in return is much more sensitive with age. At least that has been my experience.

Greedy old Prince fans, who never have enough, and prefer to lash out at each other. ))

bozojones said:

It has been over a year since the last SDE. The estate has given us zero new music, zero plans for new music, and zero meaningful communication with the fans whatsoever. Londell and Charles have stubbornly refused to listen to any criticism or feedback, no matter how politely given. All they care about is shilling Prince's name and image for quick and easy cash, his musical legacy be damned.

Meanwhile, fan discussion sites are either dead aside from a handful of grouchy old-timers (a la this place), or full of surface level discussion about the same old handful of topics. The long time fans are shrinking in numbers, and the estate has no plan to turn newer generations onto his music to preserve Prince's artistic legacy.

It feels like we're all witnessing the dying gasps of the Prince fandom in real time.

It was fun while it lasted.

Ow Lawd.






Hey, don't drag the whole Band of Girls & Boys into defection just because you're feeling more blue than purple! It takes a Purple Soldier 2 N☮️ 1.


So whatsamatta with a little life?
So the Org is a small town now, so what?
Obsessed with Big, err... Cities?

Whatsamatta with your life,
did the Trademan land his Golden Parachute into your neighbour's yard?


Dude, you're the one posting this now sempiternal, old-horse-dead-by-now-ugh, rehashed post about nyah nyah Londell boo-hoo boo-hoo Estate yawn yawn yawn SDE.
Don't complain about a sad state of affairs (again, yawn) and then contribute to aggrave it.
Is really more plastic around what this poor earth truly needs?


Whatsamatta, don't have enough songs? Once Hated, Newly Appreciated? Live versions? Rehearsals? Soundchecks? Small clubs to rejoyce and share your feelings about, instead of polluting bytes with this lame-ass morbid post of yohz?


Geez, some farts around here could use a little Positivity!
Nurse, I told you this ain't the proper diet.
Feed this poor man, damn, I dunno,
hamburgers, pizza, root beer,
or whatever magic ingredient works.

Accordion perhaps?

[Edited 11/29/24 6:52am]

tl;dr

Vannormal said:

Exactly, there is still talk here.
Albeit sometimes (more in a) negative (way), but at least we are still debating/talking.
I'm not so negative about all this, or that this or that is dead so to speak.
The truth is, Prince.ORG has never changed. Also the look. I find it rather boring.
Forums that are closed... well, I prefer it to be only about Prince.
Indeed, there are other places where you can still talk and get information about other things. No problems with that.
People have indeed left for different reasons.
But one thing is for sure, since Prince died, a lot has changed for all fans.
Which is somehow normal.
For a start, less Prince news. Of course, when he was alive, there was always more news.
There are less exciting releases, because there is no will (let's face it), and because of all the mess we are in now.
The main thing for me is that we are all getting older + lack of new, younger fans.
Forums and chats, like time change and move on.
Still, there is more unreleased and pirated material out there today than ever before.
You can find all that if you make good and smart use of the internet.
Entire live shows are available for all to see. That was hardly the case when Prince was alive. And I know the quality is usually low, but it's there.
Another problem among fans is sharing. I never and still have no problems with sharing.
Sharing seems for alot of older fans a problem of getting older.

Getting older = becoming more conservative. Name it what you want but it's somehow true.

Granting someone something to get nothing in return is much more sensitive with age. At least that has been my experience.

Greedy old Prince fans, who never have enough, and prefer to lash out at each other. ))

There are new fans, I see them mostly on reddit, twitter, tik tok. This forum is pretty old-school and Gen-z don't really use this format to communicate.