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Mountains and the sea podcast/The Hurley Gett Off remixes These guys do a great job with their deep dive into the Gett Off/Gangster Glam mixes. It's got me wondering if anyone has interviewed him specifically about what he did for Prince/what he had access to? How he felt about Prince sampling him on the Black album? I'm subscribed to a few Prince podcasts and don't remember seeing him mentioned much (if at all). It seems like he worked on quite a lot of stuff though. So thought I'd ask. |
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Oh What's the sample on the black album??? "Whatever skin we're in
we all need 2 b friends" |
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It’s Cat rap on Cindy C, taken from J.M. Silk’s “Music Is The Key”, so not really a sample (Steve ‘Silk’ Hurley = Jack Master Silk , i.e. J.M. Silk).
Edit: langebleu beat me to it, thanks [Edited 11/5/24 14:45pm] There may or may not be something coming! |
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Thanks for listening - that’s the podcast I make with my wife. I also believe Prince sampled the opening synth hits from Music is the Key in Superfunkycalifragisexi. Listen to the first few seconds of Music is the Key, right after the vocal intro: https://youtu.be/PEBBSTZl...9e_bsy8RBJ Check out The Mountains and the Sea, a Prince podcast by yours truly and my wife. More info at https://www.facebook.com/TMATSPodcast/ |
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Cool, adding your podcast to my playlist! |
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Isn't that just a regular sample pre-programmed on some synthesizer? I'm not an expert, but this orchestral sound-sample was used so many times by others too "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972) |
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Hurley sounds familiar besides all this stuff. "Whatever skin we're in
we all need 2 b friends" |
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FrankieCoco1 said: It’s Cat rap on Cindy C, taken from J.M. Silk’s “Music Is The Key”, so not really a sample (Steve ‘Silk’ Hurley = Jack Master Silk , i.e. J.M. Silk). Edit: langebleu beat me to it, thanks [Edited 11/5/24 14:45pm] That and the kind of orchestra hit sound used as the intro to Superfunkacalifragisexy |
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Doozer said: Thanks for listening - that’s the podcast I make with my wife.
I also believe Prince sampled the opening synth hits from Music is the Key in Superfunkycalifragisexi. Listen to the first few seconds of Music is the Key, right after the vocal intro: https://youtu.be/PEBBSTZl...9e_bsy8RBJ It's a great show. I had a Peach and Black shaped hole in my podcast app and you two have managed to fill it. I hope there are many more episodes to come! I don't think you went as far as to imply it, but from the way you mentioned Hurley not listing any of his Prince work on his website. I inferred that he mightn't have been completely happy? Also that the fact Prince/cat used his rap, and sampled a couple of elements from his album could have been contributing factors to the Black Album being shelved... Not due to Hurley (the Gett Off mixes happening some time later), but more due to Prince being outspoken about people using his work and here he was using other people's. Did you reach out to Hurley at all? about speaking on his experiences? [Edited 11/6/24 8:59am] |
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The 'Orchestra Hit' sound is actually a standard sound from the Fairlight Sampler/computer. There are many Youtube documentaries about it. For example: https://youtu.be/8A1Aj1_E...qGD6QjLCa.
Prince has used that and other sounds extensively, often using weird pitched down versions of it. Listen to Sheila E.'s 'Koo koo' for example. "In Funk We Thrust" - Bootsy Collins |
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That's what i meant... Thank you. "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972) |
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BeauFunk said: The 'Orchestra Hit' sound is actually a standard sound from the Fairlight Sampler/computer. There are many Youtube documentaries about it. For example: https://youtu.be/8A1Aj1_E...qGD6QjLCa.
Prince has used that and other sounds extensively, often using weird pitched down versions of it. Listen to Sheila E.'s 'Koo koo' for example. That's fair enough, but when he took a rap from the album, and then used; if not samples, then the exact same sounds as used on the album. It's not a great look, especially not when his take on rap at the time was "these guys are just using other people's sound". |
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Appreciate the compliment! There are…I’ve lost track, 150 episodes? We endeavor to drop episodes every 2 weeks and started in mid 2018. I wasn’t talking about Hurley’s website when I mentioned Prince wasn’t listed among artists he has remixed. I was talking about Wikipedia’s page on him and his work. Sorry if that wasn’t clear. This is a hobby podcast so our time is spent making the show. We rarely reach out to chase associates as it’s often tough with no budget and limited time to devote to it. We have connected with Scottie Baldwin and all members of the Revolution, which has been really fun. The show is really just about listening closely, some research, and making connections throughout Prince’s catalog. Otherwise we have jobs and kids to put through college :) Ndorphinmachina said: Doozer said: Thanks for listening - that’s the podcast I make with my wife. I also believe Prince sampled the opening synth hits from Music is the Key in Superfunkycalifragisexi. Listen to the first few seconds of Music is the Key, right after the vocal intro: https://youtu.be/PEBBSTZl...9e_bsy8RBJ It's a great show. I had a Peach and Black shaped hole in my podcast app and you two have managed to fill it. I hope there are many more episodes to come! I don't think you went as far as to imply it, but from the way you mentioned Hurley not listing any of his Prince work on his website. I inferred that he mightn't have been completely happy? Also that the fact Prince/cat used his rap, and sampled a couple of elements from his album could have been contributing factors to the Black Album being shelved... Not due to Hurley (the Gett Off mixes happening some time later), but more due to Prince being outspoken about people using his work and here he was using other people's. Did you reach out to Hurley at all? about speaking on his experiences? [Edited 11/6/24 8:59am] Check out The Mountains and the Sea, a Prince podcast by yours truly and my wife. More info at https://www.facebook.com/TMATSPodcast/ |
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Yeah it very well could be a stock sound and a coincidence but - as I went to listen to Music is the Key to hear the rap again, I didn’t get 10 seconds into the song before thinking THIS RAP IS NOT THE ONLY CONNECTION. Vannormal said:
Isn't that just a regular sample pre-programmed on some synthesizer? I'm not an expert, but this orchestral sound-sample was used so many times by others too Check out The Mountains and the Sea, a Prince podcast by yours truly and my wife. More info at https://www.facebook.com/TMATSPodcast/ |
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Absolutely, I can releate to that. - The Fairlight CMI synthesizer was already on the market from 1979. Big artist then already using it, like Peter Gabrie, Stevie Wonder, Herbie Hancock, Trevor Horn, Joni Mitchel, Kate Bush, Thomas Dolby, etc. By the time in '85 when Steve Hurley started to work with this thing, it was already quite known and in rotation. I rmember in early 1984 The Dazz Band used this exact sample also a lot in a track called "Let It All Blow". (Great track by the way) - I absolutely adore the both of you having fun in your podcast. I'm a big fan, and you both have a very sharp mind and great ears. There's always a lot to discover. Please keep up the good work! I really appreciate what you guys do. "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972) |
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Thanks very much!
Check out The Mountains and the Sea, a Prince podcast by yours truly and my wife. More info at https://www.facebook.com/TMATSPodcast/ |
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XD You got me there. "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972) |
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There's a Zappa sample on that machine and on that album. Quite bizarre 😉 |
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Ndorphinmachina said: BeauFunk said: The 'Orchestra Hit' sound is actually a standard sound from the Fairlight Sampler/computer. There are many Youtube documentaries about it. For example: https://youtu.be/8A1Aj1_E...qGD6QjLCa.
Prince has used that and other sounds extensively, often using weird pitched down versions of it. Listen to Sheila E.'s 'Koo koo' for example. That's fair enough, but when he took a rap from the album, and then used; if not samples, then the exact same sounds as used on the album. It's not a great look, especially not when his take on rap at the time was "these guys are just using other people's sound". He didn't deliberately 'take a rap from the album'. He thought Cat had written it herself and it was only later that he found out it's origin (which is why it was taken off of Positivity). Perhaps Hurley was offered remix work as compensation? "Had to get off the boat so I could walk on water..." |
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BlackCandle said: Ndorphinmachina said: That's fair enough, but when he took a rap from the album, and then used; if not samples, then the exact same sounds as used on the album. It's not a great look, especially not when his take on rap at the time was "these guys are just using other people's sound". He didn't deliberately 'take a rap from the album'. He thought Cat had written it herself and it was only later that he found out it's origin (which is why it was taken off of Positivity). Perhaps Hurley was offered remix work as compensation? Ok, I don't know, because I wasn't there. However, I do find it quite hard to believe, that during the recording process, Cat delivered this rap, and at no point did Prince ask "did you write this?"/"when did you write that?" Or some variation of that question. I also don't think Cat would have tried to pass it off as her own work without telling him. The Hurley remixes came a few years later, but maybe? Hence why I was curious if any interviews with him existed. |
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^ Cat recollected in 2020 how the rap had originally been recorded. When Prince asked her (during sessions to record tracks intended for the Black Album) to do a microphone test, she simply recited the 'Music Is the Key' rap. (She also admitted that she had no real understanding of copyright and clearance requirements at the time). When she later learned that the mic test had been recorded and then included in the recording of 'Positivity' for planned release on the Lovesexy album, she explained to Prince that she had not written the rap herself. ALT+PLS+RTN: Pure as a pane of ice. It's a gift. |
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