Well--I bet you've been around the Org long enough to have seen some craziness, but this ain't hardly it, LOL!

>

Same diff' with those keystrokes, though.

mclihah2 said:

Germanegro said:

I LIKE the ">" line break--a single-keystroke solution. > Whatever, about the Estate management. They have their lives and I have mine, although more production of music recordings would be nice.

People say to stay away from the org...and I have for about 20 years....

But I'm beginning to get the vibe of this place - people are crazy and in some cases, like above, crazy & funny at the same time - I like it!!!

...and there's a lot of love for the Purple one here

Germanegro said:

Well--I bet you've been around the Org long enough to have seen some craziness, but this ain't hardly it, LOL!

>

Same diff' with those keystrokes, though.

To be honest, it was Bart van... who kept me away - Every thread seemed to have his angry / agressive comments on there, scolding people for,.... anything

What happened to him? Is he on hiatus or did he take a chill pill - Or have I signed a death warrant by mentioning his name in an unflattering way??

It took me a few years of lurking before dipping my fingers into the Org fun. Like yourself, I felt the dialogue could be intimidating--by those who were bringing a vast proper knowledge; the stalkers coming with their mean-spiritedness; and BVH, who always had something critical to say about people's commentary, and also negative--and IMO--off-the-mark criticisms of the artist, constantly, to the point of wondering why one would torture themself so to masquerade as a fan.

>

This person pops up under another handle these days, I believe. Sometimes helpful contributions are dropped into the conversation by this one. It's all good, I suppose. It takes every kind of personality to make a world and I believe that we all need to have a bit of humor on our side to be able to properly enjoy our online experience.

mclihah2 said:

Germanegro said:

Well--I bet you've been around the Org long enough to have seen some craziness, but this ain't hardly it, LOL!

>

Same diff' with those keystrokes, though.

To be honest, it was Bart van... who kept me away - Every thread seemed to have his angry / agressive comments on there, scolding people for,.... anything

What happened to him? Is he on hiatus or did he take a chill pill - Or have I signed a death warrant by mentioning his name in an unflattering way??

EnglishGent2 said:

One thing I do know though.

If you press

Shift + Enter

You get a line break and people don't need to punctatute between paragraphs with > or .

U Rock!

Germanegro said:

I LIKE the ">" line break--a single-keystroke solution. > Whatever, about the Estate management. They have their lives and I have mine, although more production of music recordings would be nice.

This is not less key strokes. How do you get a > with out pressing shift+. ??? Then you still need to press enter too.

Hold shift, press enter.
Boom! New line.

Hold shift, press enter twice,

WHAT?!

A new paragraph?!

mclihah2 said:

Germanegro said:

Well--I bet you've been around the Org long enough to have seen some craziness, but this ain't hardly it, LOL!

>

Same diff' with those keystrokes, though.

To be honest, it was Bart van... who kept me away - Every thread seemed to have his angry / agressive comments on there, scolding people for,.... anything

What happened to him? Is he on hiatus or did he take a chill pill - Or have I signed a death warrant by mentioning his name in an unflattering way??

Bart mostly scolds people on reddit now.

While his vibe could be more friendly, he does mostly only admonish those that get things wrong. He is actually fairly knowledgable and has been scolidng people online since IRC days and Usenet. If he could just show a little more patience, he would be quite a valued community member.

But yeah, I can see how he would be off putting for newbies.

EnglishGent2 said:

But yeah, I can see how he would be off putting for newbies.

I'll happily go with the newbie tag -

Funnily enough I was reading / posting during the Prince Mailing List days (i.e. before Prince.org) -

I was here when Prince.Org started

However, to my shame, I stepped away... don't know why... a lot of the toxicity from the likes of BVH definitely contributed.. but on here again...possibly too much.....Seems like a much nicer place.....I feel like a newbie

[Edited 10/18/24 7:40am]

Thanks for the tutorial 'Gent2, but I like my own pargraph marker.

>

As they say--different strokes for different folks!

EnglishGent2 said:

Germanegro said:

I LIKE the ">" line break--a single-keystroke solution. > Whatever, about the Estate management. They have their lives and I have mine, although more production of music recordings would be nice.

This is not less key strokes. How do you get a > with out pressing shift+. ??? Then you still need to press enter too.

Hold shift, press enter.
Boom! New line.

Hold shift, press enter twice,

WHAT?!

A new paragraph?!

[Edited 10/18/24 9:03am]

> VS.

I love this new technology

mclihah2 said:

I dont get what the estate are getting out of this current holding pattern? - Prince's hardcore fans are just getting older and older -

The next generation / Young people just aren't interested (to my 13 year old buy/girl twins... Prince is just a strange pervert - They've got Gorillaz and K-pop)

I would be surprised if the music rights ae going up in value.

What have the estate got to benefit from sitting on this, and faffing around with musicals and boat tours?

Any ideas?

I'm asking, for the hope that somebody will have the answers to this crazy quandry - As the alternative is madness

[Edited 10/17/24 6:44am]

Another alternative is to letitgo, and to make yourself big fat personal playlists, and enjoy them.

I don't understand why you'll be at peace knowing some corporate dude makes money on the back of something fans consider priceless.

It was cool when our dineros were going (for the most part) to Prince's pockets, but now that he's elsewheres, what's the point?

mclihah2 said:

strawberryletter23 said:

I think the people in charge of the Estate don't even have the intellect to think about an end game. They have nothing to do with the music industry or anything, they just were blood relations to a musical genius and want to try and fleece the fans for as much cash as possible in the short term

.. but that's the trick - If they want to flleece the fans then godammn release some products - But maybe that also makes sense - You might want to fleece the fans, but if you don't have anything to do with the music industry then

A - You wouldn't have a clue as to what a sensible release strategy would be to make money - You just wouldn't have the business instinct or creative vision (both of which are helpful

B - Even if you *did* have any of the above, you don't have the accumen or connections to initiate the logistics to make it happen

Man, this thing is depressing - But. I find myself posting a lot as a sort of therapy - I think I'm working my mental exit strategy from my Prince obsession.. onto other matters. I don't know whether others are doing the same (i.e. this being group therapy) or whether it's just me.... but I have firmlucome to the conclusion that this is group therapy for me

My next problem is... what the hell do I do with all my Symbol stickers and t-shirts? (I have them on my laptops, my bags, my phones, my keys, my wallet - Everywhere - Maybe I'll just hold on to them - Prince has been such a big part of my life since the 80s, and very much after his death also - But it *feels* like it's all finally over - This feels like a second mourning

Or maybe I just need to get a grip - move on, and then get excited again if there's ever a need

[Edited 10/17/24 6:45am]

My personal therapy is to annoy the neighbours on a regular weekly basis (three days a week is a minimum) with two straight hours of Prince's music blasting AT ELEVEN.
Windows open weather permitting.

The fun part is to never play the same song twice in a whole year, or at least before you get evicted for public nuisance.
Live, rehearsals and alternative takes don't count as double, au contraire.
Spatio-temporal jumps are a must.

I'm certain that there are days when someone with big ol' ears passes by my street, and stops to listen from a distance, even if for a few seconds, the pyrotechnics of "Man O' War" guitar solo from a distance, and smiles.

It's enough to make my day purple.



And I'm also sure that by the 3rd blasting of "❤️ or 💰" (the edit, the extended version, the "Revolution!"...), I would have converted at least one head-bopping neighbour to come in my defense at my evinction trial.

oh no guys, I think we hurt Londell's feelings

Why is londell posting anything in the name of PRINCE???

What a jackass!!!

I have a screenshot of a conversation send to me by a friend, maybe from X or Reddit... not sure which. It's an intersting conversation between someone who worked at PP, and another person.

Apparetly, since one year there is no marketing team anymore in PP.

Now, Londell writes all the posts, so it seems.

Here's the conversation in parts ;

-

"They fired 5 important people in the past weeks, and all of PP staff are being so incredibly worn thin."

-

Another person complained anonymous;

"I worked there for many years, and I recommend to not apply to the job offers. They treat the employees so horribly and they can never keep their staff. If you don't agree with Londell and Charles opinions you are forced out in some way or another. If you have any complaints about the company they go unanswered. Those events they hold on the regular? You can best believe the very little staff they have are pulling 16-18 hour shifts just to meet company demands. (...) Celebration weekends are the worse for the staff, known as no sleep weekend, because you're doing a mandatory minium shift of 18h each day. Any good you do will be met with a reminder of your mistakes no matter how small. My manager on a few occasions physically faught with our staff memebers on premisis. But I mean if you want a high stress envirenment with toxic management then go ahead. I love Prince and everything he stood for and built from the ground up. But I can not get behind this current iteration of PP."

-

Then asked how it was with the former team;

"It was a lot better under Comerica bank. They actually listened to staff concerns and wouldn't overwork us if it wasn't necessary. We had everything fully staffed under them and Graceland. You had more freedom in your work as long as it got done and they understood what it took to run an establishment like PP.

Studio sessions were a lot more tight knit. You actually had to be invited into PP to record there. Now all you gotta do is say you're an up and coming artist and the head of security will let you in for a few days to screw around and maybe crank out one good song.

Everything thats done now has to be approved directly from Londell and Charles who are never actually really there because they're in New York making fools of themselves on social media. There's no real management structure and they got rid of our HR departmet all together because they didn't feel like it was necessary to have anymore. Ther's no job security there anymore."

-

Interesting. And makes sense from what we already expected what was going on...

Many other commends I found, plus some from ex employees :

-

"The people who are there hiring are managers (work upstairs in offices) that have no idea how the people working on the floor works. So they are just hiring people at random not knowing if they can accurately perform the position."

-

"I’m not sure about the families opinions. I haven’t seen them around in over a year. The only “family” that waltzes around is Johnny Jr (HALF nephew) and shakes everyone’s hand and tells them he’s a relative. It’s honestly embarrassing to watch, bc no one knows who he is."

-

"Everyone hates working there. And if they don't, they are part-time employees that are detached from what's reallyhappeing behind the scene. It saddens all the staff. It's like a prison out here."

-

"Christmas ornaments and shots glasses will be sold this holiday season too. Which is honestly tacky and makes this place seem like a sel out."

-

"Everyone knows they are getting bad news when they get called into the conference room then it’s a conversation with the legacy team over a video chat and management as witnesses."

-

"They copying the Elvis estate where there will be a combination of repackaged old releases and garbage “unreleased” recordings so they can favor Paisley Park being a tourist trap. It just seems like they could make a nice profit and satisfy the fans. Wasted opportunities."

-

"(...) Primary wave holds a majority share of the estate with exclusive rights to music and other media. In order for anything to be released both sides have to come to a mutual agreement on the release for it to be beneficial. This is the problem with an estate like Prince’s being a joint operation. You get a bunch of inflated egos in one room and they can never come to an agreement. Prince Legacy LLC wants to release certain bits and pieces that primary wave for some reason doesn’t. So when they get denied and primary wave comes back with a proposed release, Prince Legacy LLC will turn their proposition down and the cycle repeats. Hence why we get Purple Rain every few years."

-

"Charles is a hanger on who never actually knew prince. He likes to claim he did and worked for him for many years but Charles was never involved with prince before his death. His biggest claim to that is being babysat by Sharon Nelson when he was younger. Charles was a little boy by the time prince was just getting his start in the music industry. He saw him a couple times in New Jersey when Prince was living with Sharon."

-

"(...) Alan didn’t quit. I knew Alan Seiffert for many years. He was a lousy New York businessmen like Londell. Alan tried to turn paisley park into his personal playground to hold the events he wanted to host so Comerica fired him. Mitch tried his best to fix Alan’s screwups as best as he could but when court settled Londell came in and forced him out too. That’s where we end up today. I truly believe when Mitch left that the building and staff had lost their spirit."

-

“Londell and paisley park as whole don’t have any rights to unreleased music or videos. Primary wave paid for a majority of the estate. It’s their music. Not to say Londell isn’t a huge turd. But this is one thing that can’t be blamed on him. He literally couldn’t release anything even if he wanted to. Every new song that Londell and Charles “released” had to be approved by primary wave.

(Source: I worked at paisley park for 7 years. From the time Graceland opened it up until Londell and Charles came in. I was in a lot of those meetings.)“

-

"Archives is the one department that is stable which is good."

-

What a poor circus it seems.

Luckily the archives department are more or less safe and stable - I hope.

Vannormal said:

I have a screenshot of a conversation send to me by a friend, maybe from X or Reddit... not sure which. It's an intersting conversation between someone who worked at PP, and another person.

Apparetly, since one year there is no marketing team anymore in PP.

Now, Londell writes all the posts, so it seems.

Here's the conversation in parts ;

-

"They fired 5 important people in the past weeks, and all of PP staff are being so incredibly worn thin."

-

Another person complained anonymous;

"I worked there for many years, and I recommend to not apply to the job offers. They treat the employees so horribly and they can never keep their staff. If you don't agree with Londell and Charles opinions you are forced out in some way or another. If you have any complaints about the company they go unanswered. Those events they hold on the regular? You can best believe the very little staff they have are pulling 16-18 hour shifts just to meet company demands. (...) Celebration weekends are the worse for the staff, known as no sleep weekend, because you're doing a mandatory minium shift of 18h each day. Any good you do will be met with a reminder of your mistakes no matter how small. My manager on a few occasions physically faught with our staff memebers on premisis. But I mean if you want a high stress envirenment with toxic management then go ahead. I love Prince and everything he stood for and built from the ground up. But I can not get behind this current iteration of PP."

-

Then asked how it was with the former team;

"It was a lot better under Comerica bank. They actually listened to staff concerns and wouldn't overwork us if it wasn't necessary. We had everything fully staffed under them and Graceland. You had more freedom in your work as long as it got done and they understood what it took to run an establishment like PP.

Studio sessions were a lot more tight knit. You actually had to be invited into PP to record there. Now all you gotta do is say you're an up and coming artist and the head of security will let you in for a few days to screw around and maybe crank out one good song.

Everything thats done now has to be approved directly from Londell and Charles who are never actually really there because they're in New York making fools of themselves on social media. There's no real management structure and they got rid of our HR departmet all together because they didn't feel like it was necessary to have anymore. Ther's no job security there anymore."

-

Interesting. And makes sense from what we already expected what was going on...

Sounds like exactly the kind of management I would expect from Londell and Charles. God, what fucking unprofessional assholes.

Vannormal said:

-

"(...) Primary wave holds a majority share of the estate with exclusive rights to music and other media. In order for anything to be released both sides have to come to a mutual agreement on the release for it to be beneficial. This is the problem with an estate like Prince’s being a joint operation. You get a bunch of inflated egos in one room and they can never come to an agreement. Prince Legacy LLC wants to release certain bits and pieces that primary wave for some reason doesn’t. So when they get denied and primary wave comes back with a proposed release, Prince Legacy LLC will turn their proposition down and the cycle repeats. Hence why we get Purple Rain every few years."

-

“Londell and paisley park as whole don’t have any rights to unreleased music or videos. Primary wave paid for a majority of the estate. It’s their music. Not to say Londell isn’t a huge turd. But this is one thing that can’t be blamed on him. He literally couldn’t release anything even if he wanted to. Every new song that Londell and Charles “released” had to be approved by primary wave.

(Source: I worked at paisley park for 7 years. From the time Graceland opened it up until Londell and Charles came in. I was in a lot of those meetings.)“

-

So basically it is a shit show between 2x egocentric parties.

No wonder why they will not release anything else besides PR.

This confirms then this is the end game of this version of the Estate.

All eyes are now on the Broadway musical, because both parties agreed to this then.

I was so disappointed learning Prince considered making a museum out of Paisley Park,
instead of turning it into internationally renowned music/arts school.

And even more disappointed when the thieves took the temple over.

That's why I cannot like America, despite the nation spirit (a decoy),
the humble people (ignorant of how the US consumption fever destroys their own land
and poisons their bodies), the solidarity (good luck if you don't attend
the local church services or conform to some other mandatory social ritual).

In the US, the ruthless always wins. Goliaths crush Davids every day.
It's at the very core of the capitalistic system, and like a fever,

it has infected the whole planet.

In the end, you get what you deserve in such a system.

Prince ceased to matter to the masses long before he passed away,
and we should be somehow proud of it.
When he tried to pass some torch ("Albums still matter"), it was to deaf ears,
I mean look at the close shots of the show-biz buffons attending that evening.
Their expressions, their fake smiles, their crass ignorance of who was standing before them.

Prince was a product of the sixties/seventies, adorned with all the hippie

and revolutionary vibe that made, even for a brief moment,
Americans truly believe they could stand against wars, discrimination
and corrupted politicians.

Fast forward to today, half of America will vote for scum,
the other one for business as usual.

Substance is nowhere to be seen,
and Lawd knows Skipper's art was, pardon, is susbtantial.