BIGJAYRAFFAS said:

MIRvmn1 said:

RODSERLING said:

MIRvmn1 said:

I think so too. The whole D&L SDE was approved and ready but they just split it in two parts. Thats why I'm bit surprised that there's still no announcement for release around Christmas.

Again, D&P SDE sold half the SOTT SDE, so estate knew the Symbol SDE would sold half the D&P SDE. So why would they release something they know even the fans won't buy anyway? Of course that s just a rethoric question.

The Estate could also just release the Symbol SDE on their own website, maybe limited run.

It doesn't always have to be a global release.

RODSERLING said:

I think the most likely next SDE is still the PR 40 SDE. I imagine a lot of it was compiled and agreed, just suddenly put on hold for some reason (partly Netflix).

If the Estate want to keep the 40th anniversary going to the next Celebration, then I think this will still happen.

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After that, then probably Parade or Symbol.

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It'll be months before we hear any news whatever they choose.

[Edited 10/24/24 9:39am]

Trufunksoulja said:

happyshopper said:

I think the most likely next SDE is still the PR 40 SDE. I imagine a lot of it was compiled and agreed, just suddenly put on hold for some reason (partly Netflix).

If the Estate want to keep the 40th anniversary going to the next Celebration, then I think this will still happen.

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After that, then probably Parade or Symbol.

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It'll be months before we hear any news whatever they choose.

[Edited 10/24/24 9:39am]

Yes, I suppose the whole "Prince Estate Versus Netflix: The Fans Lost" situation might drag out - maybe even for years.

As for the Parade SDE, it supposedly didn't come out because the Estate wants the rights back from Warners before releasing it and, of course, Warners don't want to relinquish the rights.

Warners also holds the rights for Batman and Graffiti Bridge, so don't expect any SDEs of those either, unless a deal is worked out as I suppose must have been the case with the Purple Rain SDE because it was scheduled for release before the Netflix situation arose.

happyshopper said:

Important to remember that Warner Music and Warner Bros Discovery (who own the films) are 2 completely separate companies. Not sure about any dispute on ownership of the films, but The Estate hold all the rights to the Soundtrack, Vault tracks and concerts, etc for the SDE release. Maybe they want a 4K release of Under The Cherry Moon to go with it, but I doubt it (they weren’t even interested in the 4K release of PR!) [Edited 10/24/24 10:17am]

As far as I know, Warners has the rights to the soundtracks as well as the movies.

[Edited 10/24/24 11:35am]

scififilmnerd said:

happyshopper said:

Important to remember that Warner Music and Warner Bros Discovery (who own the films) are 2 completely separate companies. Not sure about any dispute on ownership of the films, but The Estate hold all the rights to the Soundtrack, Vault tracks and concerts, etc for the SDE release. Maybe they want a 4K release of Under The Cherry Moon to go with it, but I doubt it (they weren’t even interested in the 4K release of PR!) [Edited 10/24/24 10:17am]

As far as I know, Warners has the rights to the soundtracks as well as the movies.

[Edited 10/24/24 11:35am]

This is how I have understood the situation as well. And I assume it also includes Girl 6, though that one being mostly a compilation would never get an SDE of course.

IIRC WB kept the rights to the soundtracks when Prince worked out the deal to get his masters back a couple years before he died.

scififilmnerd said:

RODSERLING said:

Trufunksoulja said:

The Estate could also just release the Symbol SDE on their own website, maybe limited run.

It doesn't always have to be a global release.

So there would be even less profitable. Only a few would be aware of that. And shopping cost would be too prohibitive. You know, if that s vidéo deal with Netflix is true ( and I doubt it IS, Hence D&P Last year), they could focus on the first albums, where there s no vidéo archives at all.

The Symbol album is a niche product anyways.

It will never make a huge profit.

That's why I guess the previous Estate wanted to do a bundle.

The Estate has PR and licensing, as their cash cows and can do a (limited) run of lesser popular albums.

These can be sold online (their own shop, large online retailers etc) and during Cellies, musicals, MPLS state affair or whatever.

Not releasing anything with profitability as an argument does not make sense to keep the music legacy alive.

Trufunksoulja said:

RODSERLING said:

Trufunksoulja said: So there would be even less profitable. Only a few would be aware of that. And shopping cost would be too prohibitive. You know, if that s vidéo deal with Netflix is true ( and I doubt it IS, Hence D&P Last year), they could focus on the first albums, where there s no vidéo archives at all.

The Symbol album is a niche product anyways.

It will never make a huge profit.

That's why I guess the previous Estate wanted to do a bundle.

The Estate has PR and licensing, as their cash cows and can do a (limited) run of lesser popular albums.

These can be sold online (their own shop, large online retailers etc) and during Cellies, musicals, MPLS state affair or whatever.

Not releasing anything with profitability as an argument does not make sense to keep the music legacy alive.

The Symbol album was a hit, if far from the success of D&P, and has instantly recognisable songs on it (My Name is Prince, Sexy MF), and, as mentioned previously, is regarded more highly amongst the core fanbase than D&P, and so might get sales of the deluxe set relatively strong compared to D&P.

Paisley Park is doing a 30th anniversary listening party for The Black Album next month. $53.50 per ticket for a rushed tour of the museum and a listening party of an album we've all heard. And I'm sure the listening party won't go without a pointless egotistical interruption from Charles and Londell, either talking themselves up or throwing some impromptu dance competition that distracts from the album itself

Just remaster and reissue the fucking album, for christ's sake. It's not that hard.

aallocathird said:

The Estate is tone deaf.....

Purple Rain Pajamas. .....

It's just insane. but I blame Prince cause he was cryptic and erratic at best during his best periods, but these people think they can act like him.

If they did, we would have had "Camille", "Crystal Ball" (1987) and "Dream Factory" as separated releases the first year alone.

Prince may have been greedy at times, but the generosity and the dedication we received in return matched what was asked (well except maybe for the $77.77 and the Internet Sheriff thang).

Prince never thought or acted in such an uncultivated and disrespectful way
towards his audience, less alone his fans.



I blame Prince for not leaving a will.

I blame Prince for reacting like an unwanted child as usual
by showing Susan Rogers the door instead of saying to her:

I get it.
You're exhausted.
And you're right, my work needs proper curation.
Besides, one day my back will be gone and my back catalog will be my main income.
You may return to normal work hours and start digitizing all the songs I've recorded thus far.
Make sure you get some state of the art gear.

Just know that by the time you're done, you'll have twice the volume to do.

[Edited 10/25/24 14:49pm]

funkylust said:

This is a terrible situation and maybe it’s time the fans wrote an open letter to the estate and we all sign it.

That's right.

Ain't nothin' like a few dozens people signatures to put capitalists on their knees.

[Edited 10/25/24 14:57pm]

Londell's out here trying to shade the critics again through Prince quotes. The dude has yet to enlighten anyone about anything, but he sure as hell is good at discouraging the preservation of Prince's musical legacy.

bozojones said:

Londell's out here trying to shade the critics again through Prince quotes. The dude has yet to enlighten anyone about anything, but he sure as hell is good at discouraging the preservation of Prince's musical legacy.

Prince did both. He enlightened his fans through his music before he became a Jehova and he discouraged his harem girls from thinking they could ever have him to themselves.

jokocur said:

bozojones said:

Londell's out here trying to shade the critics again through Prince quotes. The dude has yet to enlighten anyone about anything, but he sure as hell is good at discouraging the preservation of Prince's musical legacy.

I know right, he is so delulu

RODSERLING said:

jokocur said:

I hope it's Controversy...I would love to have a pristine DVD of that tour there is a great black and white one of Passaic show

And you seriously think they would release a b&w Blu Ray of this?

Yeah, The Estate can't even release the completed SDE of Love Symbol let alone Controversy.

And don't even think about Dirty Mind that one is too risqué for the Estate

RODSERLING said:

happyshopper said:

RODSERLING said:

And you seriously think they would release a b&w Blu Ray of this?

I think the hope is that there’s a pristine colour version in the vault.

I heard there wasn't and that Prince doesn't have this show in his vault because it was shot by the venue in black & white, like all there other shows, and that because of some legal loophole they could release it without any trouble (weird because I would think the audio would be owned by Prince/WB and the video only by the venue/whoever shot it)

JorisE73 said:

Why all these talkings about the SDEs.....it is so obvious that everything is blocked for different reasons & it seems so obvious too (despite the rumours) that the Estate & Primary wave don't care a shit about releasing stuff from the vault excepted maybe compilations from back catalogue & clothes/candles etc... i can't see something good popping up from all this mess really ?

I thought the new Estate was not interested in SDEs anyway? Or have I hallucinated this?

olb99 said:

I thought the new Estate was not interested in SDEs anyway? Or have I hallucinated this?

They're not interested in releasing Vault music overall.

Whether it's SDE's or anything else.

Thank god they have that very convenient Netflix excuse.