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Thread started 10/03/24 6:07pm

Gooddoctor23

The Estate is doing more harm than good........

No one is doing more harm 2 Prince's lagacy than this Estate.

From the tired yearly celebration 2 coffee mugs to something next 2 nothing in releases

Prince's catalog is fading 2 Black.

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Reply #1 posted 10/03/24 6:57pm

bozojones

Yep, they're just fucking themselves over in their weird crusade against the Netflix documentary. The cat is already out of the bag regarding Jill Jones' accusations, and the NYT article came and went quickly. There wasn't any major backlash, no "cancel" campaign against Prince as a result, no damage to the Prince brand. If the release of an easily accessible & shareable online article wasn't enough to cause that, then the full documentary ain't gonna make a splash either.

Londell and Charles need to pull their heads out of their asses and do some actual work. Or better yet, step aside and let somebody competent do the job that they're too damn lazy to do.

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Reply #2 posted 10/03/24 7:13pm

Gooddoctor23

bozojones said:

Yep, they're just fucking themselves over in their weird crusade against the Netflix documentary. The cat is already out of the bag regarding Jill Jones' accusations, and the NYT article came and went quickly. There wasn't any major backlash, no "cancel" campaign against Prince as a result, no damage to the Prince brand. If the release of an easily accessible & shareable online article wasn't enough to cause that, then the full documentary ain't gonna make a splash either.

Londell and Charles need to pull their heads out of their asses and do some actual work. Or better yet, step aside and let somebody competent do the job that they're too damn lazy to do.

I think that they are perfectly happy with the initial closed probate.

They are literally doing the bare minimum.

I knew it was goig 2 come 2 this.

A very sad state of affairs.

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Reply #3 posted 10/03/24 9:40pm

Vannormal

The frase 'BIG YEAR!' will resonate for a long time.

Nothing came out of it; the Netflix shit, the suppose SDE for PR, etc.

Not even a proper 20y celbration of Musicology, that easily could've been a RSD release with a few extras.

No one-off release like a never before heard song.

No never before seen video. Not even by a protege or whatever...

A total mess of the last Celebration. Reviews were pretty scathing, and honest.

The only small good thing might be that they are asking/begging us (for the first time) to give some fresh ideas for next year's Celebration.

Only I don't see and feel much enthusiasm here for this at all.

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)
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Reply #4 posted 10/04/24 7:55am

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I am starting to not give a shit anymore and according to the amount of visitors to the Org lately I am not the only one.

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Reply #5 posted 10/04/24 8:01am

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its crap, but ill just wait until something happens now.

whenever that will be....

luckily prince left a lot of music, and there are still corners of his music that i have not fully explored yet.

i guess i am more thankful for the people running the previous estate now!

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Reply #6 posted 10/04/24 12:58pm

SoulAlive

Exactly...and by trying to cancel the release of this documentary,they're actually making it look as if they're trying to hide something.The way they're handling this situation is ridiculous and just plain dumb.

bozojones said:

Yep, they're just fucking themselves over in their weird crusade against the Netflix documentary. The cat is already out of the bag regarding Jill Jones' accusations, and the NYT article came and went quickly. There wasn't any major backlash, no "cancel" campaign against Prince as a result, no damage to the Prince brand. If the release of an easily accessible & shareable online article wasn't enough to cause that, then the full documentary ain't gonna make a splash either.

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Reply #7 posted 10/04/24 1:00pm

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This estate seems to be in a stalemate... And I do mean stale. razz lol

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

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Reply #8 posted 10/05/24 12:12am

FancyLesbian

Yes. Not releasing a documentary, and they way Londell is throwing little tantrums about it is def a mistake.

I often think back to Rykodisc's re-release of David Bowie's catalog in the 80s. Rykodisc released Bowie's catalog sequentially with new release every 6 to 8 months or so. That was really effective for getting my generation to dive into his work, which was a little before our time.

Prince's catalog really tells a story if you start from the beginning, and I think people should understnd that story. It seems like a real missed opportunity by the estate to not tell it. Instead we have these scattered releases, with no real plan or vision. I think I got he sense that they were releasing special editions in the order of which sold the most to least.

I want all the albums released on all major formats with the b-sides and 12 inch versions, including all the protege bands. The Time, Vanity 6, Shelia E., Apollonia 6, the Family. At minimum!

No broadway plays. No censoring of songs.

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Reply #9 posted 10/05/24 1:55pm

BlueShakooo

There's a recurring argument here in the forum that the fans who didn't buy the Diamonds & Pearls SDE are more or less to blame for the fact that we didn't get the next SDE straight away.
Maybe.
But for me, the fans who buy the overpriced, low-quality merchandise crap and go to the equally overpriced celebrations (in order to belong to the select circle and hear 10 recordings that they've never heard before) are at least partly responsible.
I would like to see more boycotts in this regard.
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Reply #10 posted 10/05/24 3:33pm

nayroo2002

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FancyLesbian said:


Prince's catalog really tells a story if you start from the beginning, and I think people should understnd that story. It seems like a real missed opportunity by the estate to not tell it. Instead we have these scattered releases, with no real plan or vision. I think I got he sense that they were releasing special editions in the order of which sold the most to least.

I want all the albums released on all major formats with the b-sides and 12 inch versions, including all the protege bands. The Time, Vanity 6, Shelia E., Apollonia 6, the Family. At minimum!

No broadway plays. No censoring of songs.

That is the most perfect explaination I have seen anywhere!

Madhouse Edit

[Edited 10/5/24 15:34pm]

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we all need 2 b friends"
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Reply #11 posted 10/05/24 3:33pm

bozojones

BlueShakooo said:

There's a recurring argument here in the forum that the fans who didn't buy the Diamonds & Pearls SDE are more or less to blame for the fact that we didn't get the next SDE straight away. Maybe. But for me, the fans who buy the overpriced, low-quality merchandise crap and go to the equally overpriced celebrations (in order to belong to the select circle and hear 10 recordings that they've never heard before) are at least partly responsible. I would like to see more boycotts in this regard.


It's such a dumb argument, and Rod never acknowledges the number of factors that might explain why a lot of fans didn't jump at the chance to buy a Diamonds & Pearls SDE - the biggest being a lack of interest in the era/album itself, second being the high price.

If the estate of an artist as prolific as Prince gives up on music releases altogether because of one SDE underperforming, that says much more about them than it does about the fans.

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Reply #12 posted 10/06/24 12:20am

ZafDilek

Prince's Estate should be one of the easiest to run from a creative perspective - he left so much material, and he has a loyal diehard fanbase that would basically pay for anything. They could pick something at random and the fans would buy it. They're a joke.
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Reply #13 posted 10/06/24 7:57am

ghostof82

The only thing the Estate will understand is a boycott of all the bs merchandise and a no-show at the next celebration.

Scare them into hiring someone who really knows how to do things. At the minute they are doing nothing but harm to Prince's reputation and legacy. I cannot believe that the genius that was Prince is being trampled into the gutter so brutally by the very people who should be preserving it.

I doubt that the first thing the people behind Kris Kristofferson's eventual Estate will be thinking of will be Kristofferson Handkerchiefs.
[Edited 10/7/24 1:40am]
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Reply #14 posted 10/06/24 8:56am

MIRvmn1

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ghostof82 said:

The only thing the Estate will understand is a boycott of all the bs merchandise and a no-show at the next celebration.

Scare them into hiring someone who really knows how to do things. At the minute they are doing nothing but harm to Prince's reputation and legacy. I cannot believe that the genius that was Prince is being trampled into the gutter so brutally by the very people who should be preserving it.

I doubt that the first thing the people behind Kris Kristofferson's eventual Estate will be Kristofferson Handkerchiefs.

The good thing is that the celebrations seem to get worse every year and hopefully it will make less people attending.
U are now an official member of the New Power Generation
Welcome 2 The Dawn
Free the prince SDE now!
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Reply #15 posted 10/07/24 8:13am

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Yep. They need people who know and love the music involved, not the same folks wanting to make a carreer milking him.

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Reply #16 posted 10/07/24 1:35pm

CandaceS

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BlueShakooo said:

...But for me, the fans who buy the overpriced, low-quality merchandise crap and go to the equally overpriced celebrations (in order to belong to the select circle and hear 10 recordings that they've never heard before) are at least partly responsible. I would like to see more boycotts in this regard.


I'm in!

I went to the 2017 Cele but that was well done. I haven't bought any merch since Prince passed away.

Alas, it does appear the current estate management is focused on turning a quick buck.

"I would say that Prince's top thirty percent is great. Of that thirty percent, I'll bet the public has heard twenty percent of it." - Susan Rogers, "Hunting for Prince's Vault", BBC, 2015
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Reply #17 posted 10/07/24 3:00pm

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Thank God for good boots. cool

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

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Reply #18 posted 10/08/24 6:11am

Marrk

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At this point I'd settle for a 78-88 box set of that run. Remastered by Grundman. Maybe just a single disc of outtakes for each album. Why is that not possible? Save the superdeluxes for albums that warrant them.

Needs a certain estate to give a shit though.

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Reply #19 posted 10/08/24 6:29am

djThunderfunk

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purplethunder3121 said:

Thank God for good boots. cool



yeahthat

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Reply #20 posted 10/08/24 7:07am

blacknote

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purplethunder3121 said:

Thank God for good boots. cool

Amen & amen......

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Reply #21 posted 10/09/24 9:39pm

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purplethunder3121 said:

Thank God for good boots. cool

grouphug

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Reply #22 posted 10/10/24 1:28am

JorisE73

Gooddoctor23 said:

No one is doing more harm 2 Prince's lagacy than this Estate.

From the tired yearly celebration 2 coffee mugs to something next 2 nothing in releases

Prince's catalog is fading 2 Black.


I disagree, for the last decades and after his death it has been his own fans that sabotage his legacy.
If fans stop throwing there money on everyother pice of unrelated to Prince crap they sell and stop going to overpriced celebrations that only line the pockets of the organisers than maybe they would get a clue and sell us things we actulaly want.
The previous management fucked it up for everybody with that Netflix deal so now the hands of the current management are pretty much tied it seems. Funny that people are blaming them for all this instead of the bankers, WB stooge and Spotify nobody that ruined it for evryone.

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Reply #23 posted 10/12/24 11:50am

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My hope is that a major will buy the entire catalogue, outtakes and live performances included. Whoever is managing the current catalogue does not have the skills, the business knowledge, nor the capital to manage the releases.
In the meantime, Prince's old fans and general listeners are dwindling in number.
Music tastes are changing, and artificial intelligence is sweeping the music industry and changing the way music is created and enjoyed.
I am excited about it, and I am part of it.

It has already been over eight years since Prince's death. I regret not having listened to the music in Prince's vault in the meantime, but to be honest there is already a new generational power now.

Prince was my idol, but as a music lover I cannot wait for the Estate.
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Reply #24 posted 10/12/24 12:28pm

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AI = toilet

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

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Reply #25 posted 10/12/24 10:23pm

Vannormal

purplethunder3121 said:

AI = toilet


AI could save a lot, and could even do great things for Prince's music, if used and handled properly.
There will always be progress, either you're against it, or you try to ambrace the benefits of it, by first trying to understand it, then (try to) use it (properly).

For sure it wil be misused, and a lot of BS will be created by it. As it goes right now.

So far it's also used to pursue and try to realise human fantasies (among other things of course).

By the way, AI is everywhere, right now, even you're using its benefits without knowing it.

The general taste of people isn't always the best when it comes to use (new internet) tools for being creative. Just saying... Give it some time. It's young and kicking around.

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)
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Reply #26 posted 10/13/24 12:59am

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Confirmed!

As suspected since weeks...Duane Tudahl is not working anymore for the Estate (fired?)

[img]https://i.ibb.co/x6s....jpg[/img]

confused
[Edited 10/13/24 0:59am]
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Reply #27 posted 10/13/24 7:07am

djThunderfunk

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Vannormal said:

purplethunder3121 said:

AI = toilet


AI could save a lot, and could even do great things for Prince's music, if used and handled properly.


How? Prince's music doesn't need AI. How is an unfinished song being finished or "fixed" by AI any better than being finished by other artists that had nothing to do with it? Who wants that? It would be worse than the "frankenstein" mixes they try to pass off as authentic. In fact, that's another problem... the estate is not transparent. They will lie and tell us the AI finished songs are legit Prince tracks.

AI is FAKE.

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Reply #28 posted 10/13/24 1:53pm

Gooddoctor23

Vannormal said:

purplethunder3121 said:

AI = toilet


AI could save a lot, and could even do great things for Prince's music, if used and handled properly.

U can't be serious.

Graycap23 was ME!
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Reply #29 posted 10/13/24 2:47pm

mclihah2

Gooddoctor23 said:



Vannormal said:




purplethunder3121 said:


AI = toilet




AI could save a lot, and could even do great things for Prince's music, if used and handled properly.



U can't be serious.



Seriously. I’ve been using AI to transform some noisy audience recordings of concerts to get rid of the incessant cheering and screaming. It gives you some awesome clean live recordings. No harm, no foul.
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