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Thread started 07/31/24 4:54pm

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When 2 R In Love: The Ballads Of Prince (1991)

Princevault has made an interesting update to the page about this unreleased compilation:

When 2 R In Love: The Ballads Of Prince is an unreleased compilation album, info about which first became publicly known at the press conference on 16 May 2000, at which Prince announced his return to using the name Prince (he had been using the stage name SymbolSmallerBlue.png for the previous seven years). In the press conference, Prince mentioned that he had worked on this album recently, but that Warner Bros. did not return his call asking to license the songs for his use.

However the idea of this album was already a decade older. A ballad compilation Simply titled: Prince: When 2 R In Love was already put together in December 1991.

In June 2000, it was listed as an option for visitors at Prince: A Celebration to vote on for Prince's next album (along with Crystal Ball Volume II, Madrid 2 Chicago, Roadhouse Garden, an unnamed live album, an unnamed rock guitar album, an unnamed album of cover versions and an undetermined new studio album).

The 1991 compilation had eleven tracks, a little over an hour in total, with a unique appearance of the full 8:01 version of Insatiable as penultimate track, while the other ten tracks were their previously released versions.

It is possible the track list had changed to include any ballads recorded since 1991, when Prince announced working on the project in late 2000.

It is not known, but possible that Prince planned to, or had, re-recorded the material when working on it in late 2000. Given his relationship with Warner Bros. at the time, it seems likely the album would include re-recorded versions (similar to A Celebration, announced the following year). However it is unknown if any tracks were re-recorded at the time. It’s also possible any tracks would have been recorded only if Prince decided to pursue this project further.

The 2000 incarnation of album did not receive many votes by visitors at Prince: A Celebration, however, and was ultimately abandoned.


Track listing CD
  • In December 1991 the album was compiled as:
  1. When 2 R In Love ((4:00)
  2. Adore (6:30)
  3. Condition Of The Heart (6:34)
  4. How Come U Don't Call Me (3:53)
  5. The Question Of U (4:04)
  6. The Beautiful Ones (5:13)
  7. Venus De Milo (1:52)
  8. Scandalous (6:13) +
  9. Do Me, Baby (7:45)*
  10. Insatiable (8:01)
  11. International Lover (6:36)
Always cry 4 love, never cry 4 pain.
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Reply #1 posted 08/01/24 12:24am

psyche2

What a strange project!

It's intriguing to figure out what could have been the mindset behind it back in 1991. Perhaps in order to boost the back catalogue at the expense of the sugar-coated Diamonds And Pearls? Or a first attempt to fulfill contractual obligations with WB?

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Reply #2 posted 08/01/24 12:43am

yello1

psyche2 said:

What a strange project!

It's intriguing to figure out what could have been the mindset behind it back in 1991. Perhaps in order to boost the back catalogue at the expense of the sugar-coated Diamonds And Pearls? Or a first attempt to fulfill contractual obligations with WB?

What about the album of covers (Temptations, Joni) offered at the celebration? Does anyone have more information?

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Reply #3 posted 08/01/24 4:51am

RODSERLING

What a strange name : When 2 R In Love is a terrible. We will never know what he had in mind to make the cut on 3 released project ( TBA, Lovesexy, Scandalous Sex Suite) and now that compilation.

Every other track taken separately is great, but that must be a terrible and boring experience to listen to all of them in a row!

Commercially, that would have been a flop. And no Diamonds and Pearls?
Very strange and useless project.
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Reply #4 posted 08/01/24 5:06am

ludwig

Ways of the pharao.

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Reply #5 posted 08/01/24 5:23am

databank

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It si known WB considered releasing a greatest hits package in 1991. Maybe there would have been a 2CD set of hits and this. Given how many R&B albums from the late 80s and early 90s were made solely of ballads, there was obviously an audience for this in the US (I suspect mostly African-American women).
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Reply #6 posted 08/01/24 5:25am

databank

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yello1 said:



psyche2 said:


What a strange project!



It's intriguing to figure out what could have been the mindset behind it back in 1991. Perhaps in order to boost the back catalogue at the expense of the sugar-coated Diamonds And Pearls? Or a first attempt to fulfill contractual obligations with WB?





What about the album of covers (Temptations, Joni) offered at the celebration? Does anyone have more information?


I don't remember any such project. Do you have any more specifics? Thanks.
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Reply #7 posted 08/01/24 10:13am

funkbabyandthe
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Cool idea, similar to marvin Gaye and other artists ballad collections. Princes way to show he was a slow jams master
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Reply #8 posted 08/01/24 1:47pm

lustmealways

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I might assemble and play this but on first glance it looks like a little bit of a chore to sit through so many slow numbers in a row even though yes they're all amazing

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Reply #9 posted 08/01/24 4:34pm

SoulAlive

It’s a good idea but it should include songs from the early albums too.Songs like “With You”,”Baby”,etc.
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Reply #10 posted 08/02/24 12:19am

johnpiex

I like the track list, and I think it would have been a lovely listening experience. It kind of reminds me of Madonna's Something To Remember project, which I also enjoyed.

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Reply #11 posted 08/03/24 12:51am

yello1

databank said:

yello1 said:

What about the album of covers (Temptations, Joni) offered at the celebration? Does anyone have more information?

I don't remember any such project. Do you have any more specifics? Thanks.

In French I remember seeing something here but I can't find it:


https://www.schkopi.com/index.php/2000/06/celebration-2000/day-6-lapotheose/

En plus nous avons la possibilité de choisir un album parmi 7 possibilités :

  • Roadhouse garden (album avec the Revolution, comprenant Splash, Wonderful ass, all my dreams)
  • Madrid 2 chicago (album jazzy)
  • Rock guitar (faut il préciser ?)
  • When 2 R in love (une compilation de ballade, avec un remix de certains titres)
  • LIVE CD (et il faut choisir la période)
  • Cover Cd (un CD de reprise par Prince avec : Just my imagination, a case of u etc..)
  • Un nouvel album (et il faut décrire ce que l’on souhaite entendre)

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Reply #12 posted 08/03/24 3:34am

themanfromnept
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yello1 said:

databank said:

yello1 said: I don't remember any such project. Do you have any more specifics? Thanks.

In French I remember seeing something here but I can't find it:


https://www.schkopi.com/index.php/2000/06/celebration-2000/day-6-lapotheose/

En plus nous avons la possibilité de choisir un album parmi 7 possibilités :

  • Roadhouse garden (album avec the Revolution, comprenant Splash, Wonderful ass, all my dreams)
  • Madrid 2 chicago (album jazzy)
  • Rock guitar (faut il préciser ?)
  • When 2 R in love (une compilation de ballade, avec un remix de certains titres)
  • LIVE CD (et il faut choisir la période)
  • Cover Cd (un CD de reprise par Prince avec : Just my imagination, a case of u etc..)
  • Un nouvel album (et il faut décrire ce que l’on souhaite entendre)

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This one?

https://www.schkopi.com/i...rk-tour-1/

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Reply #13 posted 08/04/24 1:38am

psyche2

Thinking again on the original time frame of late 1991, I'm inclined to think this had to be a contractual release or a move towards WB (wasn't the following year when he signed the infamous contract with WB that marked the rest of the decade?).

Back in late 1991 he was on a creative roll, with a new band and about to embark on a world tour. It's hard to figure out Prince releasing a compilation of previously released stuff when he was actually scratching to release more new material.

The mindset in the year 2000 when he considered again the project was a very different one. Maybe he just threw in this collection into that list of 7 or 8 projects proposed at the Celebration for the sake of it and enlarge the list to overwhelming impact.

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Reply #14 posted 08/04/24 12:51pm

RODSERLING

The compilation being...well compiled in December 1991, doesn't mean that was supposed to be released that same month.
In the contrary, that means it would have been released after the promotion of D&P somewhere in 1992.
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Reply #15 posted 08/04/24 7:27pm

BlackSweat86

I think most of you are missing the point here. This album clearly was not just for listening. This album was created for fucking
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Reply #16 posted 08/05/24 5:31am

lustmealways

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Did the babies over at PrinceVault private the "recent changes" list because of the discussion on this new info?

No one loves gatekeeping information that was meant to be public like they do, I hear that many knowledgeable people over the years have tried to reach out to have verified and sourced info added only to be rebuked by the staff over there. Very strange stuff!

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Reply #17 posted 08/05/24 12:21pm

FrankieCoco1

lustmealways said:

Did the babies over at PrinceVault private the "recent changes" list because of the discussion on this new info?

No one loves gatekeeping information that was meant to be public like they do, I hear that many knowledgeable people over the years have tried to reach out to have verified and sourced info added only to be rebuked by the staff over there. Very strange stuff!



Yeah, disappointed with that recent update. Until a couple of days ago or so, I used to do a daily check of changes and new pages. Now I’ll not bother. Another thing contributing to a waning interest.
There may or may not be something coming!
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Reply #18 posted 08/05/24 12:58pm

LILpoundCAKE

FrankieCoco1 said:

lustmealways said:

Did the babies over at PrinceVault private the "recent changes" list because of the discussion on this new info?

No one loves gatekeeping information that was meant to be public like they do, I hear that many knowledgeable people over the years have tried to reach out to have verified and sourced info added only to be rebuked by the staff over there. Very strange stuff!

Yeah, disappointed with that recent update. Until a couple of days ago or so, I used to do a daily check of changes and new pages. Now I’ll not bother. Another thing contributing to a waning interest.


oh ffs, every little morsel of interest or fun gets sucked out of the prince fandom this way.

jeez, what a horrible family prince had, both real and 'fams'.

my god.

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Reply #19 posted 08/06/24 7:27pm

RODSERLING

BlackSweat86 said:

I think most of you are missing the point here. This album clearly was not just for listening. This album was created for fucking


How disgusting is that. Who is really fucking listening to these songs!? Nobody.
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Reply #20 posted 08/07/24 10:46am

erik319

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I'm not sure a random collection of 'screamy boner songs' is a great idea for an album personally. There's a reason they're spread out over various albums. Great songs... But together? No thanks
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Reply #21 posted 08/29/24 8:58pm

undercoverlove
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On Mayte's subscriber's Instagram Story, she shared a picture of a CD cover handwritten by Prince that says "When 2 R In Love 12 Slow Jams," then Mayte's name and a couple of the early symbols.

No clue what that 12th song could be, or if this would be considered an "official" tracklist, since it's a handwritten CD to Mayte.

Screaming. Panting. Making Noise.
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Reply #22 posted 08/30/24 4:55am

olb99

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Thanks! That's intriguing. He seemed very attached to the idea of compiling slow songs.

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Reply #23 posted 09/21/24 6:36pm

fruitsalad

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I put together a playlist of all these songs. Ladies and gentlemen it's according to the Estate and the tracklist; almost complete. It's just the the exception of an (un)official Insatiable.


https://www.youtube.com/w...r7thdV_Oi_

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Reply #24 posted 09/22/24 6:10am

Vannormal

I remember well, in 1991, a record store offered me a greatest hits CD, a promotional copy. It didn’t have artwork, just black and white text. I regret I didn’t buy it. I wasn’t interested in it. Although, I believe it was a genuine official promotional copy… Not a bootleg. Wish I could find this back.
I believe there was a crown printed on the cover. But not sure about that anymore. It’s been so long…
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)
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Reply #25 posted 09/22/24 6:46am

RODSERLING

There was a 2-disc MJ compilation, supposed to be released in 1989 or 1990, that became ultimately Dangerous.
It was called" Decade" and the tracklist was his greatest hits ( including the Jackson tracks) from 1979 to 1989.

They could have done the same concept for Prince circa 1990w from I Wanna Be Your Lover to Partyman, with a bonus disc of corresponding b-sides.
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Reply #26 posted 09/22/24 6:56am

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^um, yeah.

That was released in 1993.

"Whatever skin we're in
we all need 2 b friends"
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Reply #27 posted 09/22/24 3:10pm

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Vannormal said:

I remember well, in 1991, a record store offered me a greatest hits CD, a promotional copy. It didn’t have artwork, just black and white text. I regret I didn’t buy it. I wasn’t interested in it. Although, I believe it was a genuine official promotional copy… Not a bootleg. Wish I could find this back. I believe there was a crown printed on the cover. But not sure about that anymore. It’s been so long…

Probably this?

https://princevault.com/i...own_Jewels

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Reply #28 posted 09/24/24 8:46am

RODSERLING

Really strange compilation. Aimed at who ? The radio?
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Reply #29 posted 09/24/24 8:59am

nayroo2002

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RODSERLING said:

Really strange compilation. Aimed at who ? The radio?

Aimed at yo' kitty

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we all need 2 b friends"
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