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Why did Prince wrote in his memoir as nothing ever really happened? Aside from the fights between mom and dad. | |
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Him alive, I think this project would have never come to fruition, as always. Or else it would have evolved in something completely different, not rue memoirs by the letter. Maybe it would have turned into an album. | |
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I can't really blame Prince for glossing over the more traumatic parts of his childhood in his own memoir, nor am I surprised that he did considering how guarded he was through his whole life as a public figure. | |
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Your mistake is believing what Prince wrote in his memoir to be true. Prince protected himself and his privacy largely by lying about himself, his past, etc. I'm not saying that he lied to be a big ol' liar, but why would he want to divulge his personal traumas to strangers, fans or not, when he wouldn't even share deeply personal things with friends? He kept a lot of people at a surface level, even if they were with him for years, didn't like to talk about his past.
So yeah, just maybe don't assume the memoir is an actual autobiography and accept it for the Prince penned fantasy it is? | |
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He was a self mythologiser
Also a denier And a storyteller Also prone to hiding his history He was never going to divulge everything Partly as he liked being mysterious but also cos he didnt know how to talk or write about his difficulties Honesty was not his forte or in his abilities [Edited 9/10/24 10:47am] | |
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They were paying him big bucks. | |
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I don't think he wanted to hurt people. Especially fans, his young proteges, or Tyka/family. he wasnt into doing that. [Edited 9/10/24 14:12pm] | |
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Clearly, Prince was very suspicious of some form of healthy self-reflection. That's what's more and more clear to me. This is probably why he fled all his life into all kinds of (weird) religions, embarrassed himself publicly with whining about the truth, etc. We all know that the only truth (about ourselves and how we deal with others) is within ourselves. (You just have to dare to undergo it, and be open to the hard and fair facts of what you are and what you do. Anyways...) Prince was always trying to figure out how to be a good person, without having to dig deep within himself, to be able to clean up his problems with others, for instance. As it turned out, most of his friendships remained rather superficial after his fame, as he apparently always lived aloofly behind a curtain of distrust. Well... but for sure he had a good hear, no doubt about that. Generous as well on many many levels. - Of course, he translated many of his imperfections and unresolved problems with others into his lyrics. But just as often that was either particularly cryptic, or very unclear, and relatively frankly superficially named. Let's be honest about that. He also often sang about those who allegedly hurt, abandoned, or misunderstood his good intentions. Actually, it seems that Prince rarely sang or wrote with a clear word of self-insight, or self-knowledge. That's what I think. "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972) | |
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My experience is most artists are. Hell, most everyone is to an extent (one always wishes to project a certain image), but becoming a public figure takes it to another level because of exposure and, most importantly, the fact that your persona becomes an extension of your work and affects how the audience perceives it. Sometimes your persona even becomes a literal part of your work. . It's not necessarily always planned and deliberate. Sometimes you come up with a self-agrandizing or thought provoking strategy because it pops-up in your mind and sounds fun or like a good marketing idea, but most of the times it's initially reactions, things you reflect from others: you realize they tend to react to, or interpret things you do or make or say in a certain way that's convenient to your narrative or image, so you start encouraging it more or less consciously, or sometimes it's counterstrategy: you realize people attack you or your image, or react to things in a way that's the opposite of what you hoped, so you adjust your narrative to counteract or distract. . I've often wondered how it would be if artists were anonymous, if we had no way of perceiving them beyond their work itself. How much bullshit could artists spare themselves if they didn't have to worry about how their person is perceived, just their work. . It's happened that I've heard people say "I don't like such or such musician or filmmaker or author" (in context, clearly formulated in the sense of "I don't like their work"), then asked them what they'd listened to, watched or read by said artist, and it turned our they were not familiar with their work at all, but they were upset by their image, behavior or political opinions, so they condemned their work without knowing it. Oppositely, I've met people who had a completely distorted perception of an artist because of their work, who assumed such or such artist must be a really unhealthy person because they created upsetting, disturbing pieces of work, but when you know them a little, said artists actually seem to be the sanest people ever, just artists with an interest in the morbid.
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. Oh my, how many times I've been told by various people (including professional musicians) that they don't like Prince simply because they didn't like P's image! (And of course the only image of Prince they remembered was from the Purple Rain era, with heavy makeup and lace shirts.) No amount of suit and tie photos of Prince could change their minds – for them "he's gay" forever so they don't even give his music a chance. Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.
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Most of those who dislike him for seeming gay do so more for sounding gay (whatever that means) than how he looked, in my experience. Bowie, new york dolls etc, only looked and acted effeminate, but sung in pretty masculine voices (ie normal registers). | |
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Vannormal said: Clearly, Prince was very suspicious of some form of healthy self-reflection. That's what's more and more clear to me. This is probably why he fled all his life into all kinds of (weird) religions, embarrassed himself publicly with whining about the truth, etc. We all know that the only truth (about ourselves and how we deal with others) is within ourselves. (You just have to dare to undergo it, and be open to the hard and fair facts of what you are and what you do. Anyways...) Prince was always trying to figure out how to be a good person, without having to dig deep within himself, to be able to clean up his problems with others, for instance. As it turned out, most of his friendships remained rather superficial after his fame, as he apparently always lived aloofly behind a curtain of distrust. Well... but for sure he had a good hear, no doubt about that. Generous as well on many many levels. - Of course, he translated many of his imperfections and unresolved problems with others into his lyrics. But just as often that was either particularly cryptic, or very unclear, and relatively frankly superficially named. Let's be honest about that. He also often sang about those who allegedly hurt, abandoned, or misunderstood his good intentions. Actually, it seems that Prince rarely sang or wrote with a clear word of self-insight, or self-knowledge. That's what I think. I mostly agree. But naked introspection is not for all artists (he had other stuff going for him). His guard always had to be up. He was always protecting himself. Prince could do victim sentiments but rarely/never admit being the aggressor. | |
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I found it interesting that he sipped wiring before meeting Moin, Husney or any others in his musical arena.
Did anyone else notice, in his memoir the enoty spot in his photo album where he had earlier removed the photo of Owen Husney? It's like he would have to start writing about people who (in his view) had abandoned him. Like in the memoir pages with the photo album -- did anyone else notice the missing photo of Husney? In Dan Piepenbring's intro, he mentions how Prince is kinda wandering his attention. Wants to solve racism, different directions. Still thinking of what the book will be. ONE CLUE? The song lyrics, obviously newly-written out, found in his travel bag. Was he thinking of writing about the inspiration of certain songs? [Edited 9/18/24 18:08pm] Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me. | |
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Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me. | |
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The song Papa wasn't addressed to his father? | |
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Prince was a master of fantasy and Truth-lusion Depending on 1s perspective u either buy n2 the reality or u chew on the illusion
His whole life became an exercise n perception As every single relationship became an extention of manipulation centered around control, his control
U either bought into what he was selling....... or u had 2 go. His memoir is not any different than any other aspect of his life. A world he manifested, where the only truth is what he wanted u 2 believe. As he once said both publicly & privately: Life is no fun without fantasy.
Fantasy became his way of life As the truth was alway just a reflection in the rearview mirror.
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For one thing, Prince was a bad writer. For another thing, he had barely started writing before it passed. | |
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Why do you think that he was a bad writer ? | |
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What do you know now? Someone's recollection about something that happened 55 years ago. | |
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