Kares said:

databank said:

I think he was a much better curator of his own catalogue as he was given credit for in his lifetime, as demonstrated by the SDE collections IMHO (there wasn't so much great stuff left for the Estate to play with on the SOTT SDE, for example: Prince had already managed to release most of the best stuff from the Dream Factory/Camille/Crystal Ball sessions that couldn't make it into the SOTT album).

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However, it's true some of his choices could be puzzling.

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Why, for example, keep the 7'' edit instead of putting the extended version of 17 Days on the 12''? I think most of us would agree this extended cut is great, and it would have made fans have to buy both the 7'' and 12'', but for some reason Prince apparently didn't think the long version was good enough.

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Another thing that baffles me entirely was why not release Computer Blue's Hallways Speech version on a PR 12''? I understand why it had to be edited for the album, but putting it on any PR 12'' as a b-side would likely have resulted in rock critics raving about Prince being an absolute genius even more than they did at the time. People would have been talking about it for years. But Prince obviously didn't realize this at all.

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I don't think he regarded his unreleased stuff inferior to anything he released. Quite the opposite: remember when he told Morris Hayes that Purple Rain was only his B-roll and there was an even better album still in the can from the same period? He said that was for his children to inherit. I think he deliberately held back quite a lot of stuff he considered really great.

I would argue that he also liked to brag, but who knows indeed...

databank said:

Kares said:

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I don't think he regarded his unreleased stuff inferior to anything he released. Quite the opposite: remember when he told Morris Hayes that Purple Rain was only his B-roll and there was an even better album still in the can from the same period? He said that was for his children to inherit. I think he deliberately held back quite a lot of stuff he considered really great.

I would argue that he also liked to brag, but who knows indeed...

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Morris seems to me as an honest guy and he said he heard it and was blown away.

databank said:

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However, it's true some of his choices could be puzzling.

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Why, for example, keep the 7'' edit instead of putting the extended version of 17 Days on the 12''?

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Another thing that baffles me entirely was why not release Computer Blue's Hallways Speech version on a PR 12''?

Those two exclusions baffle me as well!

And why wasn't "God (Love Theme...)" on the U.S. 12"

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PS EDIT:

"Irresistable Bitch" is also the fade edit on the 12".

Where is THAT full version???

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Kares said:

Songs that definitely should be included in the PR SDE if it ever sees the light of day.

That convo about pr being lesser than what else he had just sounds like a bit of bragging, some good ol fashioned hubris.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

That convo about pr being lesser than what else he had just sounds like a bit of bragging, some good ol fashioned hubris.

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Ask Morris.

Kares said:

databank said:

I would argue that he also liked to brag, but who knows indeed...

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Morris seems to me as an honest guy and he said he heard it and was blown away.

Morris is a gem when it comes to openly talking about his time with Prince, and indeed seems like a very honest (and super nice) person. I meant Prince liked to brag with his bandmambers.

Kares said:

databank said:

I would argue that he also liked to brag, but who knows indeed...

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Morris seems to me as an honest guy and he said he heard it and was blown away.

Oh I'm sorry you mean Morris heard the material (not Prince talking)?

I may have missed that podcast (or forgotten). IDK what he heard (i.e. is it stuff we haven't heard?) but yeah, of course, I respect that. We were all blown away by Prince's outtakes back in the good old days. Now was there a better album than PR to make out of what we've heard from that era? I honestly don't know, but I'd say probably not. Maybe an album that's just as good, yeah, but better?

databank said:

Kares said:

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Morris seems to me as an honest guy and he said he heard it and was blown away.

Oh I'm sorry you mean Morris heard the material (not Prince talking)?

I may have missed that podcast (or forgotten). IDK what he heard (i.e. is it stuff we haven't heard?) but yeah, of course, I respect that. We were all blown away by Prince's outtakes back in the good old days. Now was there a better album than PR to make out of what we've heard from that era? I honestly don't know, but I'd say probably not. Maybe an album that's just as good, yeah, but better?

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Yeah, when P said to Morris Purple Rain was only his B-roll Morris was like "get out of here!", so P played him the tapes (sounded like it wasn't anything we know of) and Morris immediately tried to pursuade P to release it as he was really blown away by it. But P replied something along the lines of "it's for my children".
Also, in an interview, when P was asked about the contents of the vault he bragged about some really great jazz and funk and truly erotic Prince stuff, so he certainly didn't sound like someone who considered his vault not worthy of release or weaker than the released records. Sure, he bragged a lot but the way I see it, he was usually able to back it up...

Kares said:

databank said:

Oh I'm sorry you mean Morris heard the material (not Prince talking)?

I may have missed that podcast (or forgotten). IDK what he heard (i.e. is it stuff we haven't heard?) but yeah, of course, I respect that. We were all blown away by Prince's outtakes back in the good old days. Now was there a better album than PR to make out of what we've heard from that era? I honestly don't know, but I'd say probably not. Maybe an album that's just as good, yeah, but better?

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Yeah, when P said to Morris Purple Rain was only his B-roll Morris was like "get out of here!", so P played him the tapes (sounded like it wasn't anything we know of) and Morris immediately tried to pursuade P to release it as he was really blown away by it. But P replied something along the lines of "it's for my children".
Also, in an interview, when P was asked about the contents of the vault he bragged about some really great jazz and funk and truly erotic Prince stuff, so he certainly didn't sound like someone who considered his vault not worthy of release or weaker than the released records. Sure, he bragged a lot but the way I see it, he was usually able to back it up...

Fair enough.

I really wonder what Morris heard, though.

Kares said:

databank said:

Oh I'm sorry you mean Morris heard the material (not Prince talking)?

I may have missed that podcast (or forgotten). IDK what he heard (i.e. is it stuff we haven't heard?) but yeah, of course, I respect that. We were all blown away by Prince's outtakes back in the good old days. Now was there a better album than PR to make out of what we've heard from that era? I honestly don't know, but I'd say probably not. Maybe an album that's just as good, yeah, but better?

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Yeah, when P said to Morris Purple Rain was only his B-roll Morris was like "get out of here!", so P played him the tapes (sounded like it wasn't anything we know of) and Morris immediately tried to pursuade P to release it as he was really blown away by it. But P replied something along the lines of "it's for my children".
Also, in an interview, when P was asked about the contents of the vault he bragged about some really great jazz and funk and truly erotic Prince stuff, so he certainly didn't sound like someone who considered his vault not worthy of release or weaker than the released records. Sure, he bragged a lot but the way I see it, he was usually able to back it up...

as much as I wish this was the case but how realistic is it that he sat on something all that time, possibly as much as a whole LP from the 1983/4 era, that's better than his best selling album?