nayroo2002 said:

mattosgood said:

Prince - King of B-sides

I have counted a ‘B-side’ as a song that is a new song, one that first lived as a Prince B-side. This discounts any B-sides that were album tracks or mix derivatives of the A-side.

‘I Wish U Heaven’ (Parts 1, 2, & 3) (...&...) ‘The Scandalous Sex Suite’

These are the extended versions of said songs, not really what you explained as "new songs".

"Scarlet Pussy" & "Sex" are the B-Sides, respectively.

I don't mean to de-merit your literature, but "Gotta Stop (Messin' About)" was, for me, Prince's first B-Side.

RE: Gotta Stop (Messin' About)

it was 1st released as the A-side of a one off UK single, so... didn't count as a B-side and thus didn't count in a book about songs first released as B-sides

Check here for further clarification

https://princevault.com/index.php?title=Single:_Gotta_Stop_(Messin%E2%80%99_About)

RE: ‘I Wish U Heaven’ (Parts 1, 2, & 3) (...&...) ‘The Scandalous Sex Suite’

That's what I've discussed and explained in the Reading Notes

and I have covered "Scarlet Pussy" & "Sex" as the B-Sides, respectively.

Correct, the PrinceVault link i also clearly imbedded in my last response, in which it states that the song was only released in the UK as promotion for the Dirty Mind Tour.

It was later the b-side to "Let's Work" from 'Controversy', then ultimately included on the 'B-SIDES' disc of "The Hits/B-Sides' compilation.

Apologies for being beside myself

What I always thought was kinda odd is Prince wouldn't seize the opportunity to release more material.
Some singles had album tracks for a b-side. Then in the 90s it was loads of (mostly unappealing) remixes when CD singles would have allowed for those... and a new song (that would have been a better incentive for us to buy the maxis. Because of budgetary limits, I often waited for a second hand copy of mixes only singles back then, when I would have jumped on any new song).
Not to mention that there could have been two different b-sides on the 7'' and 12''. It's funny, it seems he never even though of doing that.
Odd for someone who had so much great stuff in his vault and always complained he couldn't release as much music as he wanted to.
Anyway, congratulations and good luck with the book Matt

nayroo2002 said:

Correct, the PrinceVault link i also clearly imbedded in my last response, in which it states that the song was only released in the UK as promotion for the Dirty Mind Tour.

It was later the b-side to "Let's Work" from 'Controversy', then ultimately included on the 'B-SIDES' disc of "The Hits/B-Sides' compilation.

Apologies for being beside myself

No apology needed.

I'm from the UK, so you know, it was the A-side of a one off, non album, standalone single

nayroo2002 said:

mattosgood said:

Prince - King of B-sides

I have counted a ‘B-side’ as a song that is a new song, one that first lived as a Prince B-side. This discounts any B-sides that were album tracks or mix derivatives of the A-side.

‘I Wish U Heaven’ (Parts 1, 2, & 3) (...&...) ‘The Scandalous Sex Suite’

These are the extended versions of said songs, not really what you explained as "new songs".

"Scarlet Pussy" & "Sex" are the B-Sides, respectively.

I don't mean to de-merit your literature, but "Gotta Stop (Messin' About)" was, for me, Prince's first B-Side.

It wasn't really a B-side at all though - it was initially released as a single in the UK. It was only years later that it ended up as a B-side.

leecaldon said:

nayroo2002 said:

These are the extended versions of said songs, not really what you explained as "new songs".

"Scarlet Pussy" & "Sex" are the B-Sides, respectively.

I don't mean to de-merit your literature, but "Gotta Stop (Messin' About)" was, for me, Prince's first B-Side.

It wasn't really a B-side at all though - it was initially released as a single in the UK. It was only years later that it ended up as a B-side.

Just saw your other response! This has been a lesson for me - I did not know it was released as a proper single in the UK (rather than just a promo). I wonder how disappointed management/PR were that it didn't make the top 75.

leecaldon said:

leecaldon said:

It wasn't really a B-side at all though - it was initially released as a single in the UK. It was only years later that it ended up as a B-side.

Just saw your other response! This has been a lesson for me - I did not know it was released as a proper single in the UK (rather than just a promo). I wonder how disappointed management/PR were that it didn't make the top 75.

now that's an interesting question!

or why they didn't try a release in the USA

it's a great song - so all quite bizarre

that said - there's a ton of great songs that ended up as B-sides (thus the book) or just sat in the vault collecting dust (Friction and original Extralovable) that now, probably only the record company execs that are still alive could answer

one of many missed opportunities, as they had just too much good material, they didn't know what to do with IHMO

mattosgood said:

leecaldon said:

Just saw your other response! This has been a lesson for me - I did not know it was released as a proper single in the UK (rather than just a promo). I wonder how disappointed management/PR were that it didn't make the top 75.

now that's an interesting question!

or why they didn't try a release in the USA

it's a great song - so all quite bizarre

that said - there's a ton of great songs that ended up as B-sides (thus the book) or just sat in the vault collecting dust (Friction and original Extralovable) that now, probably only the record company execs that are still alive could answer

one of many missed opportunities, as they had just too much good material, they didn't know what to do with IHMO

I wonder how it happened. I mean obviously the single was released to coincide with Prince's first London gig (which was in a club and only 2 days after the single's release, so rather confidential and nothing that justified the fanfare of releasing an exclusive single, but there has to have been a connection), and most likely to take advantage of UK's punk and new wave audiences, these two genres being much more popular there than in the US at the time (MTV and the Second British Invasion hadn't begun yet).

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Yet, I wonder if Prince came to WB with "I heard they dig this in UK and I have a song that may...", or if WB US heard the song (since Prince apparently sent them a lot of cassettes) and thought "it may be a good idea to...", or if WB UK requested WB US a song "that would be in the vein of..." to coincide with the concert.

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Unless maybe Duane gets to write a book about this era, we may never know...

databank said:

mattosgood said:

now that's an interesting question!

or why they didn't try a release in the USA

it's a great song - so all quite bizarre

that said - there's a ton of great songs that ended up as B-sides (thus the book) or just sat in the vault collecting dust (Friction and original Extralovable) that now, probably only the record company execs that are still alive could answer

one of many missed opportunities, as they had just too much good material, they didn't know what to do with IHMO

I wonder how it happened. I mean obviously the single was released to coincide with Prince's first London gig (which was in a club and only 2 days after the single's release, so rather confidential and nothing that justified the fanfare of releasing an exclusive single, but there has to have been a connection), and most likely to take advantage of UK's punk and new wave audiences, these two genres being much more popular there than in the US at the time (MTV and the Second British Invasion hadn't begun yet).

.

Yet, I wonder if Prince came to WB with "I heard they dig this in UK and I have a song that may...", or if WB US heard the song (since Prince apparently sent them a lot of cassettes) and thought "it may be a good idea to...", or if WB UK requested WB US a song "that would be in the vein of..." to coincide with the concert.

.

Unless maybe Duane gets to write a book about this era, we may never know...

the single was even promoted in the NME in tandem with the Lycium gig in the NME -but you're right unless WMs UK employee shares, we are unlikely to know..

databank said:

What I always thought was kinda odd is Prince wouldn't seize the opportunity to release more material. Some singles had album tracks for a b-side. Then in the 90s it was loads of (mostly unappealing) remixes when CD singles would have allowed for those... and a new song (that would have been a better incentive for us to buy the maxis. Because of budgetary limits, I often waited for a second hand copy of mixes only singles back then, when I would have jumped on any new song). Not to mention that there could have been two different b-sides on the 7'' and 12''. It's funny, it seems he never even though of doing that. Odd for someone who had so much great stuff in his vault and always complained he couldn't release as much music as he wanted to. Anyway, congratulations and good luck with the book Matt

thank you

looks like you have a mega project of your own in the works, so good luck with that!

As I've been saying about the B-sides, they are all songs with stories to tell

mattosgood said:

leecaldon said:

Just saw your other response! This has been a lesson for me - I did not know it was released as a proper single in the UK (rather than just a promo). I wonder how disappointed management/PR were that it didn't make the top 75.

now that's an interesting question!

or why they didn't try a release in the USA

it's a great song - so all quite bizarre

that said - there's a ton of great songs that ended up as B-sides (thus the book) or just sat in the vault collecting dust (Friction and original Extralovable) that now, probably only the record company execs that are still alive could answer

one of many missed opportunities, as they had just too much good material, they didn't know what to do with IHMO

From what I can gather, it was specifically released to coincide with a UK gig. And only I Wanna Be Your Lover had cracked the Top 75 at that point.

.

But I can't really think of another example of a one-off single being released for a single gig.

databank said:

mattosgood said:

now that's an interesting question!

or why they didn't try a release in the USA

it's a great song - so all quite bizarre

that said - there's a ton of great songs that ended up as B-sides (thus the book) or just sat in the vault collecting dust (Friction and original Extralovable) that now, probably only the record company execs that are still alive could answer

one of many missed opportunities, as they had just too much good material, they didn't know what to do with IHMO

I wonder how it happened. I mean obviously the single was released to coincide with Prince's first London gig (which was in a club and only 2 days after the single's release, so rather confidential and nothing that justified the fanfare of releasing an exclusive single, but there has to have been a connection), and most likely to take advantage of UK's punk and new wave audiences, these two genres being much more popular there than in the US at the time (MTV and the Second British Invasion hadn't begun yet).

.

Yet, I wonder if Prince came to WB with "I heard they dig this in UK and I have a song that may...", or if WB US heard the song (since Prince apparently sent them a lot of cassettes) and thought "it may be a good idea to...", or if WB UK requested WB US a song "that would be in the vein of..." to coincide with the concert.

.

Unless maybe Duane gets to write a book about this era, we may never know...

Some days before when he played at Paradiso in Amsterdam they promoted the 12" Dutch pressing of Uptown (pink sleeve with black lettering as oposed to the normal black sleeve wit red or pink lettering 12" vinyl release)

leecaldon said:

mattosgood said:

now that's an interesting question!

or why they didn't try a release in the USA

it's a great song - so all quite bizarre

that said - there's a ton of great songs that ended up as B-sides (thus the book) or just sat in the vault collecting dust (Friction and original Extralovable) that now, probably only the record company execs that are still alive could answer

one of many missed opportunities, as they had just too much good material, they didn't know what to do with IHMO

From what I can gather, it was specifically released to coincide with a UK gig. And only I Wanna Be Your Lover had cracked the Top 75 at that point.

.

But I can't really think of another example of a one-off single being released for a single gig.

The 'reloaded' version of Extraloveable was a stand-alone digital single released on iTunes in Canada only, just before the 25th and 26th November 2011 gigs at the Air Canada Centre, Toronto - to promote the Welcome 2 Canada tour.

(It was made available in on iTunes platform in Europe, Australia, New Zealand and Japan one day after the initial release in Canada, and in the USA the following week.)

mattosgood said:

leecaldon said:

From what I can gather, it was specifically released to coincide with a UK gig. And only I Wanna Be Your Lover had cracked the Top 75 at that point.

.

But I can't really think of another example of a one-off single being released for a single gig.

The 'reloaded' version of Extraloveable was a stand-alone digital single released on iTunes in Canada only, just before the 25th and 26th November 2011 gigs at the Air Canada Centre, Toronto - to promote the Welcome 2 Canada tour.

(It was made available in on iTunes platform in Europe, Australia, New Zealand and Japan one day after the initial release in Canada, and in the USA the following week.)

Good point. A lot easier in the digital era.

mattosgood said:

databank said:

I wonder how it happened. I mean obviously the single was released to coincide with Prince's first London gig (which was in a club and only 2 days after the single's release, so rather confidential and nothing that justified the fanfare of releasing an exclusive single, but there has to have been a connection), and most likely to take advantage of UK's punk and new wave audiences, these two genres being much more popular there than in the US at the time (MTV and the Second British Invasion hadn't begun yet).

.

Yet, I wonder if Prince came to WB with "I heard they dig this in UK and I have a song that may...", or if WB US heard the song (since Prince apparently sent them a lot of cassettes) and thought "it may be a good idea to...", or if WB UK requested WB US a song "that would be in the vein of..." to coincide with the concert.

.

Unless maybe Duane gets to write a book about this era, we may never know...

the single was even promoted in the NME in tandem with the Lycium gig in the NME -but you're right unless WMs UK employee shares, we are unlikely to know..

The link for the photo is broken!

databank said:

What I always thought was kinda odd is Prince wouldn't seize the opportunity to release more material. Some singles had album tracks for a b-side. Then in the 90s it was loads of (mostly unappealing) remixes when CD singles would have allowed for those... and a new song (that would have been a better incentive for us to buy the maxis. Because of budgetary limits, I often waited for a second hand copy of mixes only singles back then, when I would have jumped on any new song). Not to mention that there could have been two different b-sides on the 7'' and 12''. It's funny, it seems he never even though of doing that. Odd for someone who had so much great stuff in his vault and always complained he couldn't release as much music as he wanted to. Anyway, congratulations and good luck with the book Matt

I also thought that was odd. Although he took advantage with the maxi singles, exploring one song in many different ways, which I always found interesting.

leecaldon said:

databank said:

What I always thought was kinda odd is Prince wouldn't seize the opportunity to release more material. Some singles had album tracks for a b-side. Then in the 90s it was loads of (mostly unappealing) remixes when CD singles would have allowed for those... and a new song (that would have been a better incentive for us to buy the maxis. Because of budgetary limits, I often waited for a second hand copy of mixes only singles back then, when I would have jumped on any new song). Not to mention that there could have been two different b-sides on the 7'' and 12''. It's funny, it seems he never even though of doing that. Odd for someone who had so much great stuff in his vault and always complained he couldn't release as much music as he wanted to. Anyway, congratulations and good luck with the book Matt

I also thought that was odd. Although he took advantage with the maxi singles, exploring one song in many different ways, which I always found interesting.

me too, I cover a few in the book like Loveleft, Loveright, The Lubricated Lady and Gangster Glam - where they are different enough to count as a song in their own right vs. just a mix e.g. Do Your dance or Housebangers IMHO