Mumio said:

Trufunksoulja said:

booby traps?

From what I have read/heard the situations are corroborated in the doc.

Not sure what you mean with "good focus" doc,

But if you want a doc with wikipedia style album sales numbers or engineers discussing their time with P then these can be found all over youtube.

Not looking for something that puts unverified information out there, since the people who were his employees all pat each other on the back and agree with each other so they too can put out their unverified info. Bunch of snakes imo

How much do MakeMillions and $picer pay you?

Vannormal said:

Mumio said:

Not looking for something that puts unverified information out there, since the people who were his employees all pat each other on the back and agree with each other so they too can put out their unverified info. Bunch of snakes imo

How much do MakeMillions and $picer pay you?

Not a single penny. I do not like either of them and wish the elders had never been so stupid as to think McVillain was someone they could/should work with. It's backfired spectacularly and they are paying for their poor decisions. But in this particular instance and despite knowing that there's some angle that those two are working to benefit themselves....I am 100% behind them in not letting this doc hit-piece out there.

I get a more mixed-bag feeling about Edelman's documentary on Prince after what I've further heard about it after listening to the Youtube podcast "Pablo Torre Finds Out" (go to Youtube to find it if you are interested to check out). The host and his guest in their discussion disclose their friendship relation with Ezra Edelman, and both had viewed his full documentary and discuss each's impressions of the film which presents strong hints at some points of the content.

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Hearing their impressions sounded to me as if the reportage of the man's story may be weighted by an inordinate preponderance of negative elements: a darkening of Prince's family history, claiming their infliction of torture and incest; that the notion of Prince's creative drive and controlling manner was propelled by a preponderance of insecurity; that his relationships with women were mostly bad--again, via a perspective of persisting insecurities. At one moment his work toward creating bands and their image was inappropriately characterized by this podcast duo as "grooming" behavior (weird!) and not the creation of images and brand for entertainment purposes. They claim moments where Edelman literally magnifies the dirty corners of Prince's spare Paisley Park bedroom to emphasize a chaotic environment existing near his life's end (so no wonder why Questlove cried!).

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If these are perceptions of Prince's life that may be drawn from the series' 9 hours viewing, I'd support the Estate's rights to edit the series's length to pare some of the more speculative, uncorrobarated claims being made and creative interpretations that are presently set in the thing.

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The guy could have chaotic times--yes, I am sure of that, given a life filled with complex dynamics and run on overdrive as it was. He could suffer eruptions of immature behavior as we all can, potentially; certainly experience moments of intense insecurity--being both a personally private and creative individual. All of humanity experiences these moments in each's own way, and to see parts of these life components exposed in Prince could be humanizing of his image in a decent way, instead of digging out the lowlights, which I feel are more be akin to the sensationalistic, and I don't think that this story tactic would be fair to his work, legacy, and humanity. The guy did have his contradictions as he manufactured a persona and mythologized himself, plied his instruments, sprinkling of fantastic and stark depictions alike in his art, dealt with his personal development and growth, and his descents into pain and I would say his untimely demise. He also fought and stood for things that he believed in, which I think can be admired (or ridiculed--but hey, that's entertainment, too!).

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To be honest, I would like to see the good and bad of the man's story portrayed in a less tragic manner if this can be fairly done!

Germanegro said:

I get a more mixed-bag feeling about Edelman's documentary on Prince after what I've further heard about it after listening to the Youtube podcast "Pablo Torre Finds Out" (go to Youtube to find it if you are interested to check out). The host and his guest in their discussion disclose their friendship relation with Ezra Edelman, and both had viewed his full documentary and discuss each's impressions of the film which presents strong hints at some points of the content.

>

Hearing their impressions sounded to me as if the reportage of the man's story may be weighted by an inordinate preponderance of negative elements: a darkening of Prince's family history, claiming their infliction of torture and incest; that the notion of Prince's creative drive and controlling manner was propelled by a preponderance of insecurity; that his relationships with women were mostly bad--again, via a perspective of persisting insecurities. At one moment his work toward creating bands and their image was inappropriately characterized by this podcast duo as "grooming" behavior (weird!) and not the creation of images and brand for entertainment purposes. They claim moments where Edelman literally magnifies the dirty corners of Prince's spare Paisley Park bedroom to emphasize a chaotic environment existing near his life's end (so no wonder why Questlove cried!).

>

If these are perceptions of Prince's life that may be drawn from the series' 9 hours viewing, I'd support the Estate's rights to edit the series's length to pare some of the more speculative, uncorrobarated claims being made and creative interpretations that are presently set in the thing.

>

The guy could have chaotic times--yes, I am sure of that, given a life filled with complex dynamics and run on overdrive as it was. He could suffer eruptions of immature behavior as we all can, potentially; certainly experience moments of intense insecurity--being both a personally private and creative individual. All of humanity experiences these moments in each's own way, and to see parts of these life components exposed in Prince could be humanizing of his image in a decent way, instead of digging out the lowlights, which I feel are more be akin to the sensationalistic, and I don't think that this story tactic would be fair to his work, legacy, and humanity. The guy did have his contradictions as he manufactured a persona and mythologized himself, plied his instruments, sprinkling of fantastic and stark depictions alike in his art, dealt with his personal development and growth, and his descents into pain and I would say his untimely demise. He also fought and stood for things that he believed in, which I think can be admired (or ridiculed--but hey, that's entertainment, too!).

>

To be honest, I would like to see the good and bad of the man's story portrayed in a less tragic manner if this can be fairly done!

Spunky said:

Germanegro said:

I get a more mixed-bag feeling about Edelman's documentary on Prince after what I've further heard about it after listening to the Youtube podcast "Pablo Torre Finds Out" (go to Youtube to find it if you are interested to check out). The host and his guest in their discussion disclose their friendship relation with Ezra Edelman, and both had viewed his full documentary and discuss each's impressions of the film which presents strong hints at some points of the content.

>

Hearing their impressions sounded to me as if the reportage of the man's story may be weighted by an inordinate preponderance of negative elements: a darkening of Prince's family history, claiming their infliction of torture and incest; that the notion of Prince's creative drive and controlling manner was propelled by a preponderance of insecurity; that his relationships with women were mostly bad--again, via a perspective of persisting insecurities. At one moment his work toward creating bands and their image was inappropriately characterized by this podcast duo as "grooming" behavior (weird!) and not the creation of images and brand for entertainment purposes. They claim moments where Edelman literally magnifies the dirty corners of Prince's spare Paisley Park bedroom to emphasize a chaotic environment existing near his life's end (so no wonder why Questlove cried!).

>

If these are perceptions of Prince's life that may be drawn from the series' 9 hours viewing, I'd support the Estate's rights to edit the series's length to pare some of the more speculative, uncorrobarated claims being made and creative interpretations that are presently set in the thing.

>

The guy could have chaotic times--yes, I am sure of that, given a life filled with complex dynamics and run on overdrive as it was. He could suffer eruptions of immature behavior as we all can, potentially; certainly experience moments of intense insecurity--being both a personally private and creative individual. All of humanity experiences these moments in each's own way, and to see parts of these life components exposed in Prince could be humanizing of his image in a decent way, instead of digging out the lowlights, which I feel are more be akin to the sensationalistic, and I don't think that this story tactic would be fair to his work, legacy, and humanity. The guy did have his contradictions as he manufactured a persona and mythologized himself, plied his instruments, sprinkling of fantastic and stark depictions alike in his art, dealt with his personal development and growth, and his descents into pain and I would say his untimely demise. He also fought and stood for things that he believed in, which I think can be admired (or ridiculed--but hey, that's entertainment, too!).

>

To be honest, I would like to see the good and bad of the man's story portrayed in a less tragic manner if this can be fairly done!

I whole heartly agree with you.

Germanegro said:

I get a more mixed-bag feeling about Edelman's documentary on Prince after what I've further heard about it after listening to the Youtube podcast "Pablo Torre Finds Out" (go to Youtube to find it if you are interested to check out). The host and his guest in their discussion disclose their friendship relation with Ezra Edelman, and both had viewed his full documentary and discuss each's impressions of the film which presents strong hints at some points of the content.

>

Hearing their impressions sounded to me as if the reportage of the man's story may be weighted by an inordinate preponderance of negative elements: a darkening of Prince's family history, claiming their infliction of torture and incest; that the notion of Prince's creative drive and controlling manner was propelled by a preponderance of insecurity; that his relationships with women were mostly bad--again, via a perspective of persisting insecurities. At one moment his work toward creating bands and their image was inappropriately characterized by this podcast duo as "grooming" behavior (weird!) and not the creation of images and brand for entertainment purposes. They claim moments where Edelman literally magnifies the dirty corners of Prince's spare Paisley Park bedroom to emphasize a chaotic environment existing near his life's end (so no wonder why Questlove cried!).

>

If these are perceptions of Prince's life that may be drawn from the series' 9 hours viewing, I'd support the Estate's rights to edit the series's length to pare some of the more speculative, uncorrobarated claims being made and creative interpretations that are presently set in the thing.

>

The guy could have chaotic times--yes, I am sure of that, given a life filled with complex dynamics and run on overdrive as it was. He could suffer eruptions of immature behavior as we all can, potentially; certainly experience moments of intense insecurity--being both a personally private and creative individual. All of humanity experiences these moments in each's own way, and to see parts of these life components exposed in Prince could be humanizing of his image in a decent way, instead of digging out the lowlights, which I feel are more be akin to the sensationalistic, and I don't think that this story tactic would be fair to his work, legacy, and humanity. The guy did have his contradictions as he manufactured a persona and mythologized himself, plied his instruments, sprinkling of fantastic and stark depictions alike in his art, dealt with his personal development and growth, and his descents into pain and I would say his untimely demise. He also fought and stood for things that he believed in, which I think can be admired (or ridiculed--but hey, that's entertainment, too!).

>

To be honest, I would like to see the good and bad of the man's story portrayed in a less tragic manner if this can be fairly done!

Sigh...

Remember, you are responding to a podcast by two internet-hungry clickbait content hunters, with their own views and opinions on a not yet released documentary of someone else.

While those two only want you and me to see their podcast, to have us talking about them.

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Release the damn thing and let us all have a first-hand opinion, right?

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I'm sure it will definitely be released... Only, when we don't know yet.

Netflix only invests in things they want to attract loads of attention to.A documentary with a Grammy-winning creator? Netflix is definitely angling for awards, 9 hours or not.

This (maybe this deliberately created) controversy suits them well right now. That's what I think.

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In the end, it's always all about money, business, prestige, and avoiding loss of face, for both parties.
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I'm affraid, that this whole shitshow will unfortunately and probably gain more money for MakeMillions and $picer... who knows. Something they themselves don't even realise, while being affraid they are losing money on 9 hours instead of 6.

...in my not so humble opinion.

Vannormal said:

ZafDilek said:

Vannormal said:

Remember, you are responding to a podcast by two internet-hungry clickbait content hunters, with their own views and opinions on a not yet released documentary of someone else.

While those two only want you and me to see their podcast, to have us talking about them.

Forget about these guys - it's Edelman himself who comes across as internet-hungry in this imo. He's choosing to show this to tons of friends and allowing them to talk about it publicly. Seems to me he's trying to force the issue. I didn't get a good vibe about this doco from the NYT article and that's only gotten worse since. The impression I get is that we have a documentary maker here who doesn't particularly care for Prince's music (that was said in the NYT article) and is instead intent on telling a dramatic life story. While I'm sure the 9 hours contain plenty of good and interesting content, it's clear it's not free of sensationalism either (also evident in the stories from interviewees about how he tried to coax certain things out of them). As much as I dislike the general way in which they handle things, you really can't blame the Estate for resisting here.

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Can be.

Edelman for sure has the freedom (from Netflix?) it seems, to show it to those people he wants, and can for sure can spread his word and art.

So I agree somehow, and follow you on this one.

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But, just like every creative person, Edelman is trying to go for his art i think, his five years of work, to get his own view and results out there (no matter YET about the real content).

None of us still know one flying purple fuck about what the doc is exactly all about, being it the whole 9 or 6 hours.

If The Esate can size it down to 6 hours, every fan in here will moan and complain about the other unseen 3 hours, and speculate. For sure!

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So... only after we all can see this damn docu, then we all can have our million unasked opinions.

And that, honestly, finally will be good!

Cause it's what will help to keeps Prince's legacy alive, and finaly move on to the next. Hopefully!

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There will be no cancel culture, not even when every detail of all the saddest parts of Prince's entire life will beknown. I will not damage the fact how great he was as an artist.

His music will be played, and let's hope we get some more from that pregnant vault!

I wonder if McSquillions was one of the 70 people interviewed and if not, that is contributing to his meltdown.

andrewcherry said:

if edelman wants to get some viral support campaign started he could really do much better than allowing these adhd clout chasing hyenas to make matters worse by highlighting the most controversial elements of the doc then backtracking constantly because they realize they sound like ghouls. i’m fully aware he did not make this doc for prince fans but why not try an open minded associate like ruth violette instead of some frat boy? if duane isn’t (allegedly) working for the estate at this point why not try him? literally anyone would be a better choice for a mouthpiece than these randos.

Jesus Christ people are negative on here. If you actuallly watch the podcast, it's quite thoughtful. They make a case for the documentary, and one guy says it made him a Prince fan.

With the amount of reviews and commentaries on the content of the Documentary there isnt anything shocking left to reveal. Its all been discussed and pored over

Make it a 6 hour documentary, release the first 6 episodes and negotiate for the last 3 hours to be released at a later date

Just do something, or his memory really will fade away and there will be no one around to pay any interest to future releases

money doesn't talk, it swears...

FancyLesbian said:

.... the podcast, it's quite thoughtful. They make a case for the documentary, and one guy says it made him a Prince fan.

That was my takeaway also - They came across as people with no skin in the game - said it how it was, and how it made them feel about Prince and his music - With the main presenter feeling like he now wants to dive into Prince's music catalogue.

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I feel like fans take it too personally - Most of us fell in love with the music and the persona he created - Very few of us know the man behind it all, and his privacy allowed us to imagine him as something he isn't... and many fell in love with that something

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I remember during the whole "Free the Gold Experience" phase - A lot of people (myself included) felt like Prince was playing some 4D chess, like there was some masterplan - there wasn't - He was just a flawed human, trying to get his way... like the rest of us.
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Graffiti Bridge showed that just because Prince was an amazing musician, doesn't mean he had everything right.

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I get that a lot of the fans don't want to see this - me? I would love to... Also, I'm not fussed whether he becomes popular or not - Unfortunately it makes no difference to Prince, as he's sadly passed.
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On a personal level I would just love an opportunity to have the Vault freed before I die - Whether I'll get that or not, who knows???

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RODSERLING said:

From what I read here...

you didn't even check any of the outside media about the subject, therefore your opinion is already flawed and invalid.

FancyLesbian said:

andrewcherry said:

if edelman wants to get some viral support campaign started he could really do much better than allowing these adhd clout chasing hyenas to make matters worse by highlighting the most controversial elements of the doc then backtracking constantly because they realize they sound like ghouls. i’m fully aware he did not make this doc for prince fans but why not try an open minded associate like ruth violette instead of some frat boy? if duane isn’t (allegedly) working for the estate at this point why not try him? literally anyone would be a better choice for a mouthpiece than these randos.

Jesus Christ people are negative on here. If you actuallly watch the podcast, it's quite thoughtful. They make a case for the documentary, and one guy says it made him a Prince fan.

I watched their podcast and these dudes are shills for the director. Noticed not one critical observation about Ezra's direction but so much to say about the subject of the film they barely knew anything about.

FancyLesbian said:

mclihah2 said:

FancyLesbian said:

.... the podcast, it's quite thoughtful. They make a case for the documentary, and one guy says it made him a Prince fan.

That was my takeaway also - They came across as people with no skin in the game - said it how it was, and how it made them feel about Prince and his music - With the main presenter feeling like he now wants to dive into Prince's music catalogue.

<>

I feel like fans take it too personally - Most of us fell in love with the music and the persona he created - Very few of us know the man behind it all, and his privacy allowed us to imagine him as something he isn't... and many fell in love with that something

<>

I remember during the whole "Free the Gold Experience" phase - A lot of people (myself included) felt like Prince was playing some 4D chess, like there was some masterplan - there wasn't - He was just a flawed human, trying to get his way... like the rest of us.
<>

Graffiti Bridge showed that just because Prince was an amazing musician, doesn't mean he had everything right.

<>

I get that a lot of the fans don't want to see this - me? I would love to... Also, I'm not fussed whether he becomes popular or not - Unfortunately it makes no difference to Prince, as he's sadly passed.
<>

On a personal level I would just love an opportunity to have the Vault freed before I die - Whether I'll get that or not, who knows???

[Edited 10/11/24 7:19am]

I would love to see it.

paisleyparkgirl said:

I would love to see it.

https://www.youtube.com/w...Qi6x3QF-v8

Madhouse6 said:

Candy Dulfer being asked if Prince slept with her or tried to sleep with her. candy was so upset and said she was revolted by the line of the questioning and that in fact Prince had insisted that Candy bring her mother with her.

It's a natural question as Prince is famous for sleeping with almost all the women he worked with. So much so that when Cat previously said she didn't sleep with Prince, no one believed her.

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Madhouse6 said:

My concern is that this is one man’s view of what he wants to show the world about Prince. He’s taking a psychiatrist view of why Prince was the way he was based on stories told by others and trying to piece together a narrative. I’ve read comments from people like Ida Nielsen being asked if Prince was abusive etc. also Candy Dulfer being asked if Prince slept with her or tried to sleep with her. candy was so upset and said she was revolted by the line of the questioning and that in fact Prince had insisted that Candy bring her mother with her The grooming allegations do worry me but some of that is the fact is he was branding Vanity 6. The Mayte relationship I’m guessing could be explained by her as she is still alive Jill Jones fight, I think the fact that he tried to counsel Chris Brown means he regretted it and knew he was wrong even if she hit him first. If Ezra decided this would make the documentary sell and create a buzz then he’s achieved that already. And the closing song should not be LGC 🤦🏽‍♂️ I’d choose ‘There is Lonely’ as sadly it seems that what he was even though we all loved him. He gave us so much but sadly he couldn’t be saved and probably didn’t want to be at the end. Whether it was due to being tired and had enough by then or too afraid of what would be written if it all came out about his addiction. In the end he must have known that if he did indeed overdose again and die the truth would come out If the documentary also highlights all the philanthropy that was kept secret as well then it’s a more balanced view into his life rebuttals could be done but if someone watches this in 10 years time they aren’t necessarily gonna watch the rebuttals associated with the release

I largely agree with what you say.

Only, we are all mature enough to know that this docu was indeed made by one person, and only in his way.

That's basically always the case with documentaries.

We should all know that long ago anyway.

In addition, I think it is extremely important that we are only allowed to judge after we have all effectively seen the whole thing.
It's as simple as that.
Everything else is a temporary a form of (short-sighted) revenue model by (mediocre) attention-seeking fast-media. Nothing more no less.

I want it with everything, even (if that's the case) with that damned closing song ‘Let's Go Crazy’, and the whole fucking mess Edelman had in mind. I'm able to not care for what he created, if so.
I can decide for myself what is good and what is not, what to believe and what not.
We're mostly adults here (I hope, though I'm no longer sure), and we should all be able to balance out the mess, and focus on facts that count, right?