mclihah2 said:

JorisE73 said:

This was mentioned some weeks ago and it was also said that she posted vback in 2016 how she and Prince talked/reminised about there time and this incident when Vanity died and apparently he appologised for his past behaviour to her and they were on good terms or "made up"" (not that there was anything to make up for according to her) some days before he died.
Edelman probably pushed her for a sensationalized emotoianl response (seems that this tactic of him is one of the reasons some interviewees walked) given the details on that part of the doc and that her story became bigger and bigger over the decades.
This is something between them and if they talked it out and stayed on good terms with each other (which she mentioned) than why should we care? Just like anyone in here he made mistakes and learned from them, all part of life, no biggie.

. Thank you for clarifying. That fits in with the Prince we all became familiar with in his later years. A spiritual man who was still learning and growing and trying to help others with little fanfare (still an egomaniac, but justified I would say ) . You are right, it’s all between Jill and Prince and I hope it’s true that they made up. . Whatever the case, it’s important to never paper over the truth. This is possibly a mistake that the estate are making.

Agreed. It increases interest, awareness and contributes to the assumption that there is something to hide.

The documentary is not in any way trying to exploit Prince, that's a full-time job already taken by the moochers of the estate. This is a documentary by an Academy Award-winning director.

It’s massively foolish that they think they can sweep this stuff under the rug, as most of us longtime fans here already about and still love his music.

You cannot hide the truth. It is more important for society to be open and honest about our frailties and our mistakes so we can learn from them, so the younger generations can learn and grow from them.

Trying to make him out to be a perfect deity, or pretend that these things didn’t happen is foolish. This is something only the morons of the Estate would try to do. They all need to be fired.

But let's not make a mistake, this documentary will be released intact, and people from the Estate will be thrown out on their ass.

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jimino1 said:

Mindbells9 said:

These 2 guys (who are friends of Ezra) have seen the documentary and gives some information, opinions, and insight into it. 2 things that stand out to me are, #1)according to them, there are people in the documentary who corroborate that "Sister" is a true story about Prince and his and sister, and #2)he definitely had some plastic surgery over the years. https://youtu.be/3Qi6x3QF...RZbpoLd8pZ

Seems like a thorough deconstruction of the Prince myth. I like the magic to stay and be what I experienced over the last 45 years i don't need to see it all laid out in the open.
I hope they will eventually do a thorough doc on his music and work instad of just destroying his carefully cultivated image we all followed.

Mindbells9 said:

Mindbells9 said:

there are people in the documentary who corroborate that "Sister" is a true story about Prince and his and sister

GTFOOHWTBS!!

djThunderfunk said:

Mindbells9 said:

there are people in the documentary who corroborate that "Sister" is a true story about Prince and his and sister

GTFOOHWTBS!!

Do you mean two sisters??

Mindbells9 said:

These 2 guys (who are friends of Ezra) have seen the documentary and gives some information, opinions, and insight into it. 2 things that stand out to me are, #1)according to them, there are people in the documentary who corroborate that "Sister" is a true story about Prince and his and sister, and #2)he definitely had some plastic surgery over the years. https://youtu.be/3Qi6x3QF...RZbpoLd8pZ

So the documentary is called "The Book of Prince"?

I hope it never comes out and McMillon is successful in stopping it. We haven't even seen any of it and only heard about a small part of it. Who's to say what other booby traps are also included? I can wait until a decent doc bearing a good focus on Prince comes out. Jill can put her tussles with Prince in her own book.

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Mindbells9 said:

These 2 guys (who are friends of Ezra) have seen the documentary and gives some information, opinions, and insight into it. 2 things that stand out to me are, #1)according to them, there are people in the documentary who corroborate that "Sister" is a true story about Prince and his and sister, and #2)he definitely had some plastic surgery over the years. https://youtu.be/3Qi6x3QF...RZbpoLd8pZ

Thanks for the link! Interesting point of view but I still have to call BS on the Sister stuff, though. Unless I missed something, they didn't say who said it was a true story, just that in the doc you learn that it's a true story. Guess we'll have to wait for the doc to find out.

rap said:

So the documentary is called "The Book of Prince"?

Reply #373 in this very thread has the HYPERLINK to a podcast whiich reveals that information.

No highlighting.

No link copying.

No opening another tab.

No pasting the copy of the link in the new address bar.

No pushing the enter button.

Just one click on that underlined, blue collection of letters, symbols & digits.

...and SWOOSH, you are automatically taken to that podcast!

Like "magic"!!!

Mumio said:

I hope it never comes out and McMillon is successful in stopping it. We haven't even seen any of it and only heard about a small part of it. Who's to say what other booby traps are also included? I can wait until a decent doc bearing a good focus on Prince comes out. Jill can put her tussles with Prince in her own book.

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booby traps?

From what I have read/heard the situations are corroborated in the doc.

Not sure what you mean with "good focus" doc,

But if you want a doc with wikipedia style album sales numbers or engineers discussing their time with P then these can be found all over youtube.

jimino1 said:

They think Prince actually had sex with his sister cos of that song? Seriously? I don't believe that is true 4 a second - I'd love to know how they know if it's true or not... hearsay and song lyrics don't prove anything- especially coming from Prince lol

No, quite the opposiite

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Most people had always assumed that it was a silly song, reflecting the outrageousness of this 'dirty' character that Prince was performaing as.

However, what those dudes are saying is that interviewees from the documentary are saying that the song was based more on fact than fiction..

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I'd normally say 'eeeeewww' - However, with stuff coming out about how abusive (physically, emotionally and sexually) his childhood was - I'm not as surprised as I would have been in the past - How on earth can we judge, or even exclude the possibility without knowing the full picture?

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I think this information that we're hearing is fascinating because, I think it really solidifes this idea that he was absolutely and truly special - A once in a many-generational figure -
I love the Beethoven / Picasso analogy - mad as a hatter but total genius - It really rings true... and it's not a marketing ploy.
The picture that I am seeing is that he had a really messed up childhood - I mean REALLY messed up - It feels like the decisions, impulses and way of living was very much influenced by those abusive experiences... Hence he calmed down in the later days - But he was a true genius and he knew it.
I think if the same boy had been born in a middle class suburban upbringing, we would have ended up with another John Williams or the like.
Whatever the case, we were very fortunate to have lived through the era that this amazing artist was creating the stuff that he did.
Unfortuately he's passed now, and I sure as hell do want to hear the stories

Mumio said:

I hope it never comes out and McMillon is successful in stopping it. We haven't even seen any of it and only heard about a small part of it. Who's to say what other booby traps are also included? I can wait until a decent doc bearing a good focus on Prince comes out. Jill can put her tussles with Prince in her own book.

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It will come out in some form- maybe a leak? I love his artistry but Prince was a messed up asshole. People, we knew this.

mclihah2 said:

jimino1 said:

They think Prince actually had sex with his sister cos of that song? Seriously? I don't believe that is true 4 a second - I'd love to know how they know if it's true or not... hearsay and song lyrics don't prove anything- especially coming from Prince lol

No, quite the opposiite

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Most people had always assumed that it was a silly song, reflecting the outrageousness of this 'dirty' character that Prince was performaing as.

However, what those dudes are saying is that interviewees from the documentary are saying that the song was based more on fact than fiction..

.

I'd normally say 'eeeeewww' - However, with stuff coming out about how abusive (physically, emotionally and sexually) his childhood was - I'm not as surprised as I would have been in the past - How on earth can we judge, or even exclude the possibility without knowing the full picture?

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If peoples response is disgust towards Prince (the victim) regarding this song they seriously need to grow up and have compassion. Incestious abuse is unfortunelly common in famillies (my family being one of them). People have this weird reaction when discussing sexual abuse towards men especially if the perpetrator is a woman. Prince said the song Sister was "serious" in an interview Prince interview archive ...oogle.com) I belive this happen to him.

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Strawberrylova123 said:

If peoples response is disgust towards Prince (the victim) regarding this song they seriously need to grow up and have compassion. Incestious abuse is unfortunelly common in famillies (my family being one of them). People have this weird reaction when discussing sexual abuse towards men especially if the perpetrator is a woman. Prince said the song Sister "serious" in an interview Prince interview archive ...oogle.com) I belive this happen to him.

I apolagise for my ignorance in this matter

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I get it now.... and gosh that's really, really sad - Thanks for you link... and reading that with the lyrics of Sister - I mean how brave to put that out there?

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mclihah2 said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

I apolagise for my ignorance in this matter

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I get it now.... and gosh that's really, really sad - Thanks for you link... and reading that with the lyrics of Sister - I mean how brave to put that out there?

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Its all good its a diffucult subject to fully understand.

I hope this documentary is permanently shelved. It is is disgusting watching Pablo and that clown yucking it up about serious allegations and because they're friends with the director going to shill for Ezra claiming the doc won't color the public's perception of him. Totally exploitiative in the name of "humanizing" this one of a kind musician.

Has anyone mentioned that in the podcast they say that Prince was here on the org alot?

bashraka said:

I hope this documentary is permanently shelved. It is is disgusting watching Pablo and that clown yucking it up about serious allegations and because they're friends with the director going to shill for Ezra claiming the doc won't color the public's perception of him. Totally exploitiative in the name of "humanizing" this one of a kind musician.

Agreed. McMillan will hold it up as long as he can until they clean it up. It's disturbing how so many think it's okay to shit talk a dead man-fuck all those gleeful people, his supposed 'fans/fam'.

Trufunksoulja said:

Mumio said:

I hope it never comes out and McMillon is successful in stopping it. We haven't even seen any of it and only heard about a small part of it. Who's to say what other booby traps are also included? I can wait until a decent doc bearing a good focus on Prince comes out. Jill can put her tussles with Prince in her own book.

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booby traps?

From what I have read/heard the situations are corroborated in the doc.

Not sure what you mean with "good focus" doc,

But if you want a doc with wikipedia style album sales numbers or engineers discussing their time with P then these can be found all over youtube.

Not looking for something that puts unverified information out there, since the people who were his employees all pat each other on the back and agree with each other so they too can put out their unverified info. Bunch of snakes imo.

I don't think it's good nor enjoyable to continue any sort of "mystique" now that he's not here - and think the most respectful course of action (within limits...) is to document and elucidate his work and life as best and fairly as possible.

I believe Jones, and I think yes there is a place for that nastier side to be brought up with context and hindsight, but then stuff like showing pictures of his body? To me that's beyond the pale and doesn't help anyone understand him better.

Basically - no sides of this should be ignored, but only if the documentary is going to present them in a fair and unbiased context that serves a purpose. I haven't seen it so I cannot comment on that.

Its really sad and heartbreaking seeing some of his supposed fans wanting this TMZ ish documentary to be released. When the NYT article came out I was one of those fans who was ok with it being released. But the more reviews I'm hearing, not one has uttered anything about his music or performances with the exception of the RHOF performance. 9 hours or 6 hrs of disgruntled employees piling on Prince is not what we asked for. Prince deserves better. A balanced outlook on the mans life, not a series of losers dunking on a dead man. Shame on the fans for encouging this bs because you want vault material. We need to do better because Prince doesnt have a voice.

RANT OVER

Nine hours is like five movies at least.

I'm pretty sure it is quite balanced coming from an Academy Award winning director.

All of these slow trickling tidbits about the doc are, so far, negative, yes.

They are also brought to light from those media groups who like to sensationalize anything they can to get a click.

For those that immediately disapprove this film in lieu of these recent "reports":

Why don't you wait for the leak?

Just like you did for 'the black album'

You all LOVE that nasty li'l Prince...

andrewcherry said:

sizzle reel from a proposed reality show jill and cat were in circa 2013. in it, jill speaks of an incident involving herself and prince that jill describes as a "vicious fight" that made "chris brown and rihanna look like kid's play" :

https://vimeo.com/64335305?share=copy

Watched it, interesting.

Thanks.

Nice to see those girls/women (back).