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Reply #90 posted 09/07/24 4:52am

peedub said:
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Off topic. We must focus on " ideas for change": more Vault releases without anyone willing to buy them. Revolutionary.
I will likely NOT buy anything related to graffiti bridge or Batman or the first two albums. I will NOT buy merch (unless they provide a McFarlane toys sculpt of prince at the RnR HOF action figure) or admission to celebrations or exhibitions. I WILL buy anything related to Exodus, lovesexy, dirty mind, parade, goldnigga, lotusflower, the last few years of his life, various live stuff, the undertaker. Anything else will be a judgement call.

You've written 'NOT', we'll see in the (far) future how true your 'NOT' will be. lol

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I will possibly likely, diffinately maybe, buy anything new!

I have the fucking money.

I might say 'no' or 'maybe' to some shit i don't care much for when they announce it.

But anyways, I'm weak, I have no character, and I'm way too hungry for even the lowest quality of new unheard unreleased Prince music, like they released during the last Celebrations.

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I for sure will CERTAINLY buy ANYTHING pre 1991!

After that i don't care &ll that much. Even not all that much for TGE SDE, that some here so much want to have.

And fuckshitgoddamnit, those first two albums... are you joking/crazy? :-O

I will AB-SO-LU-TE-LY give an arm for those, my both testicles for sure!

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I can only dream if they ever want to release those with more and new content.

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Reply #91 posted 09/07/24 5:24pm

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We're all different in what we like from him, but we all are here for his music, right?

People can buy what they want. No one is responsible for anything, and certainly not for the low results of some releases, if so.

Let's keep this thread as constructive as possible. I politely asked for it.

Isn't there already enough loss here on .org?

We are all here for his music, sure. But obviously not everybody is here to support the releases from the Vault. That's my relevant point. It's not like they released pieces of crap, there's plenty of great quality material in every releases since his death. Knowing that, you can ask every wish list that you want, that would be only wishful thinking. You can't please everyone. There have been SDE, unreleased albums and compilations, a private recording, ...They could have done more, but everything tmreleased so far is great quality overall. I only agree with that important point: the estate should communicate more with the fans. I already written it on this topic. They should have done an interview last year with the release of D&P " the next one would be Symbol SDE, already done, depending on the sales and reception of this box-set". That would have made for more clarity indeed. Now, if not everybody is interested outside what Prince made in the 80's, that's fine. But one can't complaining now from lack of releases, when you actually not buy these fucking releases. We know that Londell McMillions wasn't especially keen on releasing these SDEs : too expensive, cheap margins, comprehensive research from the Vault...He did release D&P to give the new estate some credibility,to stop the bashing from fans. After all, the work had already been done. If it were successful enough, they would have released Symbol SDE for sure. Maybe after they wouldn't have bothered to release more SDE, but that one we were so close to have it that it's frustrating.

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Every Prince fan or otherwise has the right to complain as much as anyone want about any release (post-Prince). This can even turn out positive, when complaining to the right channel and the right people. That's just what's called 'communication.' Agree with it or not.

Only the way you formulate your complaints determine whether they are listened to or not, plain simple.

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Anyone can buy OR NOT BUY whatever SDE they like. Those who, for example, didn't want to buy the last SDE (or any of the other releases so far), will make extremely little or no difference to the situation we are in now. I don't even know how true it is about everything 'assumed' here about the costs to make one, and what the actually profit is of producing and selling them.

No one ever made that clear (here). Yes there are numbers to be found on the internet, but specifically about the Prinve camp, we know little.

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Many assumptions and quasi-truths, but none of us work at this level in the production or distribution sector. Too bad actually, it could clarify a lot about all these half stories, based on too many opinions and few verifiable facts.

Although, say what you like, but Bart(VanHemelen) or whatever his new name is, is an extreme and 99.9% good reliable source of information. But we all know how smoothly that usually goes, and I for one don't care all that much anymore. he always and only attacks those (in his own ugly style) about assumptions written as facts and truths. (Yeah he could be more polite...)

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I thought there was someone here on .ORG a few years ago (maybe already a decace ago...) who knew more about the music production industry, but as goes unsubstantiated personal accusations, people prefer to leave this graveyard.

Bart is such a reliable source these days, that he claimed there was to be bonus material in the PR 4k blu ray, and claimed in June that the announcement of PR SDE was a matter of days.
Truth is that he knows shit about what he is talking about.

And you're wrong, terribly wrong, when you imply that, no matter if fans buy or not the released, it would change nothing.

When D&P SDE sold half of what the previous SDE used to sell, of course it was a determining criteria to shelve the Symbol SDE, and whatever SDE in the future.

You just said yourself you won't buy post 1991 material...No need to say more.

Sony also stopped reissues from post WB material, while there were initial plans to re-release everything. I m not saying these reissues were really attractive, but it just shows that when things don't sell anymore, then it just ends without a bang.

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Reply #92 posted 09/07/24 6:31pm

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I think we can forget any release this year if there's no announcement this month.

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Reply #93 posted 09/07/24 6:56pm

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RODSERLING said:

Vannormal said:

RODSERLING said:

Vannormal said:

We're all different in what we like from him, but we all are here for his music, right?

People can buy what they want. No one is responsible for anything, and certainly not for the low results of some releases, if so.

Let's keep this thread as constructive as possible. I politely asked for it.

Isn't there already enough loss here on .org?

We are all here for his music, sure. But obviously not everybody is here to support the releases from the Vault. That's my relevant point. It's not like they released pieces of crap, there's plenty of great quality material in every releases since his death. Knowing that, you can ask every wish list that you want, that would be only wishful thinking. You can't please everyone. There have been SDE, unreleased albums and compilations, a private recording, ...They could have done more, but everything tmreleased so far is great quality overall. I only agree with that important point: the estate should communicate more with the fans. I already written it on this topic. They should have done an interview last year with the release of D&P " the next one would be Symbol SDE, already done, depending on the sales and reception of this box-set". That would have made for more clarity indeed. Now, if not everybody is interested outside what Prince made in the 80's, that's fine. But one can't complaining now from lack of releases, when you actually not buy these fucking releases. We know that Londell McMillions wasn't especially keen on releasing these SDEs : too expensive, cheap margins, comprehensive research from the Vault...He did release D&P to give the new estate some credibility,to stop the bashing from fans. After all, the work had already been done. If it were successful enough, they would have released Symbol SDE for sure. Maybe after they wouldn't have bothered to release more SDE, but that one we were so close to have it that it's frustrating.

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Every Prince fan or otherwise has the right to complain as much as anyone want about any release (post-Prince). This can even turn out positive, when complaining to the right channel and the right people. That's just what's called 'communication.' Agree with it or not.

Only the way you formulate your complaints determine whether they are listened to or not, plain simple.

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Anyone can buy OR NOT BUY whatever SDE they like. Those who, for example, didn't want to buy the last SDE (or any of the other releases so far), will make extremely little or no difference to the situation we are in now. I don't even know how true it is about everything 'assumed' here about the costs to make one, and what the actually profit is of producing and selling them.

No one ever made that clear (here). Yes there are numbers to be found on the internet, but specifically about the Prinve camp, we know little.

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Many assumptions and quasi-truths, but none of us work at this level in the production or distribution sector. Too bad actually, it could clarify a lot about all these half stories, based on too many opinions and few verifiable facts.

Although, say what you like, but Bart(VanHemelen) or whatever his new name is, is an extreme and 99.9% good reliable source of information. But we all know how smoothly that usually goes, and I for one don't care all that much anymore. he always and only attacks those (in his own ugly style) about assumptions written as facts and truths. (Yeah he could be more polite...)

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I thought there was someone here on .ORG a few years ago (maybe already a decace ago...) who knew more about the music production industry, but as goes unsubstantiated personal accusations, people prefer to leave this graveyard.

Bart is such a reliable source these days, that he claimed there was to be bonus material in the PR 4k blu ray, and claimed in June that the announcement of PR SDE was a matter of days.
Truth is that he knows shit about what he is talking about.

And you're wrong, terribly wrong, when you imply that, no matter if fans buy or not the released, it would change nothing.

When D&P SDE sold half of what the previous SDE used to sell, of course it was a determining criteria to shelve the Symbol SDE, and whatever SDE in the future.

You just said yourself you won't buy post 1991 material...No need to say more.

Sony also stopped reissues from post WB material, while there were initial plans to re-release everything. I m not saying these reissues were really attractive, but it just shows that when things don't sell anymore, then it just ends without a bang.

It certainly seems like the prince

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SDE has been shelved or else it would have been released by now, most likely before a possible PR SDE. I’m not sure how far they got with the PR SDE, whether they actually managed to put together a complete set or if it remained just an idea. The estate refuses to share any information about anything.
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Reply #94 posted 09/08/24 12:56am

Thanks for all the comments, very interesting to me to read all your opinions on future releases.

I am working in the music industry and from my observations I have to say:

the only reasonable (for fans and labels) way to release vault material is what is already done: physical releases. downloads and subscription services that offer only digital stuff are dead for years now. and of course there is no money in "streaming only" releases.

Why do you think mighty Taloyr Swift ofers 19 (!!!) different physical variants of her last album? because there's money to grab and fans want it.

So the huge SDE vinyl + CD editions of Prince albums is still the way to go for any label involved. But: they are missing any chance to get out more vault material - one SDE edition every few vears is not enough for all the stuff in the vault. There was so much missing from the SOTT SDE...

What about Record Store Day editions, the Camille album, aftershow etc.? All that stuff that might be too much and not essentail für a SDE should be released in the same year as individual releases. Look at David Bowie, FRank Zappa, Neil Young, Bob Dylan... they are doing it much better. Bob Dylan is releasing a 27 CD Set of shows from 1974 for around 110 € smile come on, that's possible in Prince world wink

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the only reasonable (for fans and labels) way to release vault material is what is already done: physical releases. downloads and subscription services that offer only digital stuff are dead for years now. and of course there is no money in "streaming only" releases.

Why do you think mighty Taloyr Swift ofers 19 (!!!) different physical variants of her last album? because there's money to grab and fans want it.

So the huge SDE vinyl + CD editions of Prince albums is still the way to go for any label involved. But: they are missing any chance to get out more vault material - one SDE edition every few vears is not enough for all the stuff in the vault. There was so much missing from the SOTT SDE...

What about Record Store Day editions, the Camille album, aftershow etc.? All that stuff that might be too much and not essentail für a SDE should be released in the same year as individual releases. Look at David Bowie, FRank Zappa, Neil Young, Bob Dylan... they are doing it much better. Bob Dylan is releasing a 27 CD Set of shows from 1974 for around 110 € come on, that's possible in Prince world

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It's not possible with McMillan&Co at the steering wheel. And it's not possible while they are sticking to the (IMO) stupid ideas of having to put everything on vinyl too and maximising both costs and shipping weight by putting a hardbound book inside a hard, rigid box. (The box would protect a paperback just the same.) These insane decisions eat into the profit margin substantially, for no reason. We need more content. Not endless reproductions of promo photos (I could care less for those), but real content about the recordings, about the tapes, about the decisions behind the production etc, etc.
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But basically I agree with everything you said above.

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Reply #96 posted 09/08/24 6:13am

I think, the most important reason why they can't release anything, has possibly everything to do with the deal they had for the Netfliw documentary.

Im' not saying i have 'the answer', why no release(s) this year, but logically this must be the one and only reason.

Same for the Sony Pre-WB releases that stopped.

It must be a thing about liscencing for any Prince music, related to the contract of the Netflix doc.

It's how i try to understand it.

Plus, even as importnat; money!

9 episodes instead of 6 is 50%more material produced outside of the agreement.

MakeMillions his name alone, says it all. That's how I feel and look at it.

But it's still in the works, be it too slow for all of us ;

"This difference puts the estate in dispute with Netflix, though the two sides are working on an agreement for the additional footage."

I read that here.

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Answer to Rough;

I emailed a couple of days ago with pertinent questions about all this, with someone I know via-via, who's also works in the (European) music industry.

Don't know this contact personally, but he works for Sony Music Entertianment Europe.

(This person recently moved from Universal Music Group to Sony EU.)

So, indeed, it seems that streaming doesn't gain much profit (yet, for Prince), but it still does. There's money to be made with apps like TikTok and other short-image-content social media. More it seems, than with regular music apps.

Remember when it was annouced officialy that Prince Music is now available on TikTok.

The Estate for sure made this move to make (extra) profit.

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But, like Rough mentioned, Taylor Swift's 19 different albums only work because she is so hot right now. Just like it was some 10 years ago with Adele, or Bieber (for example).

In this case, it's all about the moment, not about the ideas of physical releases.

This idea would not work for any future Prince release. No one of us fans is willing to buy 19 (same) new albums because of different artwork. (In my opinion of course...)

Because (mostly) 50 year old fans are not into that (anymore).

By the way, this person also assured me that Prince music in general (meaning worldwide) is still played over all different kind of radio stations, etc.

And don't forget, those super young Swifties also don't listen to Bob Dylan or Bowie or Neil Young. It's all a different musical landscape, and it has always been like that.

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About the high price of Prince's SDE releases; I think it's mostly focused on us older fans, 80's lovers, and our wallets.

Few (here) complain about the price, most don't.

Sure they can release 27 CDs for the price of $ 110, but it'll never ever happen in this universe and time (with those in charge right now, i'm affraid).

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Reply #97 posted 09/08/24 9:22am

Rough said:

Thanks for all the comments, very interesting to me to read all your opinions on future releases.

I am working in the music industry and from my observations I have to say:

the only reasonable (for fans and labels) way to release vault material is what is already done: physical releases. downloads and subscription services that offer only digital stuff are dead for years now. and of course there is no money in "streaming only" releases.

Why do you think mighty Taloyr Swift ofers 19 (!!!) different physical variants of her last album? because there's money to grab and fans want it.

So the huge SDE vinyl + CD editions of Prince albums is still the way to go for any label involved. But: they are missing any chance to get out more vault material - one SDE edition every few vears is not enough for all the stuff in the vault. There was so much missing from the SOTT SDE...

What about Record Store Day editions, the Camille album, aftershow etc.? All that stuff that might be too much and not essentail für a SDE should be released in the same year as individual releases. Look at David Bowie, FRank Zappa, Neil Young, Bob Dylan... they are doing it much better. Bob Dylan is releasing a 27 CD Set of shows from 1974 for around 110 € smile come on, that's possible in Prince world wink

Thanks to confirm at 100% everything I explained here so far.

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Reply #98 posted 09/08/24 9:29am

The Netflix deal preventing some releases is BS.
D&P SDE was released less than a year ago.
Sony stopped their reissues in the beginning of 2020 ( ONA package). But they kept on releasing some stuff on RSD after that ( The Truth, Gold).

So it clearly not Netflix that prevented Symbol SDE from being released.

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Reply #99 posted 09/08/24 10:28am

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Rough said:

Thanks for all the comments, very interesting to me to read all your opinions on future releases.

I am working in the music industry and from my observations I have to say:

the only reasonable (for fans and labels) way to release vault material is what is already done: physical releases. downloads and subscription services that offer only digital stuff are dead for years now. and of course there is no money in "streaming only" releases.

Why do you think mighty Taloyr Swift ofers 19 (!!!) different physical variants of her last album? because there's money to grab and fans want it.

So the huge SDE vinyl + CD editions of Prince albums is still the way to go for any label involved. But: they are missing any chance to get out more vault material - one SDE edition every few vears is not enough for all the stuff in the vault. There was so much missing from the SOTT SDE...

What about Record Store Day editions, the Camille album, aftershow etc.? All that stuff that might be too much and not essentail für a SDE should be released in the same year as individual releases. Look at David Bowie, FRank Zappa, Neil Young, Bob Dylan... they are doing it much better. Bob Dylan is releasing a 27 CD Set of shows from 1974 for around 110 € smile come on, that's possible in Prince world wink

Thanks to confirm at 100% everything I explained here so far.

Where in Rough's comment is it confirmed that future releases are delayed/cancelled because I and other fans did not purchase D&P SDE? Are you sure you know what '100%' means?

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Reply #100 posted 09/08/24 12:13pm

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The Netflix deal preventing some releases is BS. D&P SDE was released less than a year ago. Sony stopped their reissues in the beginning of 2020 ( ONA package). But they kept on releasing some stuff on RSD after that ( The Truth, Gold). So it clearly not Netflix that prevented Symbol SDE from being released.

Nor is it the fans who prevented further releases. It's the estate not giving a shit about Prince's music. Nothing more.

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RODSERLING said:

The Netflix deal preventing some releases is BS. D&P SDE was released less than a year ago. Sony stopped their reissues in the beginning of 2020 ( ONA package). But they kept on releasing some stuff on RSD after that ( The Truth, Gold). So it clearly not Netflix that prevented Symbol SDE from being released.

Nor is it the fans who prevented further releases. It's the estate not giving a shit about Prince's music. Nothing more.

They don't give a shit because it don't sell.

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Reply #102 posted 09/08/24 3:15pm

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RODSERLING said:

bozojones said:

RODSERLING said:

The Netflix deal preventing some releases is BS. D&P SDE was released less than a year ago. Sony stopped their reissues in the beginning of 2020 ( ONA package). But they kept on releasing some stuff on RSD after that ( The Truth, Gold). So it clearly not Netflix that prevented Symbol SDE from being released.

Nor is it the fans who prevented further releases. It's the estate not giving a shit about Prince's music. Nothing more.

They don't give a shit because it don't sell.

Who from the estate said that and where was it published?

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Reply #103 posted 09/08/24 3:41pm

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RODSERLING said:

Thanks to confirm at 100% everything I explained here so far.

Where in Rough's comment is it confirmed that future releases are delayed/cancelled because I and other fans did not purchase D&P SDE? Are you sure you know what '100%' means?

Rough's comment confirm that money comes from physical releases, especially SDE.
So from then on, if you don't buy these physical releases, then there's no way the estate is gonna do it for free, like Bob Dylan or McCartney, who cares about their own legacy.

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peedub said:

Where in Rough's comment is it confirmed that future releases are delayed/cancelled because I and other fans did not purchase D&P SDE? Are you sure you know what '100%' means?

Rough's comment confirm that money comes from physical releases, especially SDE.

Again, it seems to me they might benefit from releasing more of them, then. And maybe some market analysis of what the fans want. And maybe less money spent on gift shop junk and musicals and celebrations.

And SDEs might be profitable, but I'm hearing a lot of people saying they're not what they want. Nobody's clamoring for big stupid books, single edits, the same material spread across different formats in the same package...they're bloated and of questionable value to the consumer. There're better ways to serve the fans, and thereby make themselves some money.

But, anyway...when they release the inevitable mono mix of purple rain pressed on virgin grape hard candy complete with poster of Prince's pajamas fitted to a wax mannequin sculpted by tik Tok famous 17 year old douche bag and I don't buy it, you can blame me that you're not getting a remastered parade and related material.
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Reply #105 posted 09/08/24 5:02pm

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Nor is it the fans who prevented further releases. It's the estate not giving a shit about Prince's music. Nothing more.

They don't give a shit because it don't sell.

And D&P SDE didn't sell because it wasn't something most fans were interested in. Unlike the few SDEs before which clearly sold better because they were related to albums that fans had a greater interest in. Pretty fucking simple if you take more than two seconds to think about it.

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Reply #106 posted 09/09/24 1:08am

And there will be even less interest in the Symbol SDE, if it ever gets released.

Mind my words.

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Reply #107 posted 09/09/24 1:32am

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Releasing anything outside of the "Purple Rain" era will be problematic from a financial point of view. The landscape is completely different than a few decades ago.

The only solution would be to focus not on profitability, but on honouring Prince's legacy. This can't be done seriously if your goal is to "make millions".

Again, and this has been repeated and explained many times here on the Org and in other places: archival releases are regularly released for many other artists. And they're released not because they're "profitable", but because someone, somewhere, cares about the music.

If I understand correctly, the Estate doesn't need to release previously unreleased material to make money. They apparently have enough sources of revenue as it is. Which should be good news if there was someone, somewhere, who, you know, cared about the music.

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RODSERLING said:

Rough's comment confirm that money comes from physical releases, especially SDE.

Again, it seems to me they might benefit from releasing more of them, then. And maybe some market analysis of what the fans want. And maybe less money spent on gift shop junk and musicals and celebrations.

And SDEs might be profitable, but I'm hearing a lot of people saying they're not what they want. Nobody's clamoring for big stupid books, single edits, the same material spread across different formats in the same package...they're bloated and of questionable value to the consumer. There're better ways to serve the fans, and thereby make themselves some money.

But, anyway...when they release the inevitable mono mix of purple rain pressed on virgin grape hard candy complete with poster of Prince's pajamas fitted to a wax mannequin sculpted by tik Tok famous 17 year old douche bag and I don't buy it, you can blame me that you're not getting a remastered parade and related material.
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I agree, there's plenty space on the first where they could replace the edits by actual b-sides or remixes ( about 25 min IIRC).
They could have trimmed some pages in the book, such as too much photographs of Prince dressed like a tart, or useless subjective texts.
No lyrics printed of every tracks, nothing about the promotion of the album, charts and sales, singles released, cancelled, etc.

Some texts for unreleased tracks are too short.

Concerts on CD are the same as on the blu ray, so that s useless

I agree with all of that.

Vannormal said Symbol SDE would have sold even less, he s right

They should have tied the two releases together, they release D&P but they announce the next one to come( which would be cheaper)

Do at least some lyrics video for some unreleased songs...With AI now it costs nothing.

But despite these flaws, that Boxset still worth the money.
I think they should also do a 2cd edition with the album on CD1 and a mix of b-sides and unreleased track as a taste from the whole SDE ( like the Beatles).
Everything of that is true from every Boxset released so far. The previous estate never listened too that nobody cares about these edits , especially on vinyl.

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Reply #109 posted 09/09/24 1:48am

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Releasing anything outside of the "Purple Rain" era will be problematic from a financial point of view. The landscape is completely different than a few decades ago.

The only solution would be to focus not on profitability, but on honouring Prince's legacy. This can't be done seriously if your goal is to "make millions".

Again, and this has been repeated and explained many times here on the Org and in other places: archival releases are regularly released for many other artists. And they're released not because they're "profitable", but because someone, somewhere, cares about the music.

If I understand correctly, the Estate doesn't need to release previously unreleased material to make money. They apparently have enough sources of revenue as it is. Which should be good news if there was someone, somewhere, who, you know, cared about the music.

The previous estate cared about the legacy and the fans. The actual don't.

A big SDE for PR would be profitable I guess, but they could also do little ones about Dirty Minds, etc. Albums where there is not so much material, b-sides. But at least at about 25 euros for a 3 CD set, that could be more appealing, and could lead to more appetite for bigger SDE.

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I'm pretty sure (with no proof to be honest) that the PR SDE was/is ready.

We all know, that (since the previous team) this new team basically had nothing else to assemble then follow on what was already done. They only had to do some adjustments.

The proposed duo "Diamonds & Love," was an easy piece of work to split up in two.

(Proof (to me), the excistance of the track list of the Symbol SDE from this duo, that leaked a while ago, including the unreleased trax.)

Purple Rain for sure had a new remaster. At least for the Atmos Mix we got.

My guess is that somewhere inbetween the unexpected results of the 9 episode netflix doc, and the annoucenment of the 'Big Year,' something went wrong, resulting in a legal/financial dispute w Netflix.

The deal with Netflix was made in 2018/2019, and for sure they already negotianted further releases for the coming years, as we got up until this year.

So, this PR SDE (or any other SDE foreseen) got stuck somewhere inbetween this battle, is what I think.

BartVanHemelen was not (so) wrong in (let's say) assuming the upcoming release of PR SDE for this year.

For sure it's ready, but then again, no leak, not even one single official or unofficial word of it's excistence. No leak for exazmple of a pre release, like that picture of the production of the singles box with D&P last year...

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Anyway... I send a few private messages to MakeMillions and Spicer, asking why they can't communicate better to all of us, the community that keeps his spirit alive.

That's all we need. Just to know where we stand right now.

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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)

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Reply #111 posted 09/09/24 2:14am

I don't think the PR SDE is about ready to go.
Absolutely no leaks at all, that's very unusual for a Prince posthumous release.

I think the team that used to be involved is no longer here anymore and hasn't been replaced. Or else they would have communicated about it a lot, not especially to fans but to the media, saying there was a new dedicated team for the extraordinary Vault, etc.

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peedub said:

Again, it seems to me they might benefit from releasing more of them, then. And maybe some market analysis of what the fans want. And maybe less money spent on gift shop junk and musicals and celebrations.

And SDEs might be profitable, but I'm hearing a lot of people saying they're not what they want. Nobody's clamoring for big stupid books, single edits, the same material spread across different formats in the same package...they're bloated and of questionable value to the consumer. There're better ways to serve the fans, and thereby make themselves some money.

But, anyway...when they release the inevitable mono mix of purple rain pressed on virgin grape hard candy complete with poster of Prince's pajamas fitted to a wax mannequin sculpted by tik Tok famous 17 year old douche bag and I don't buy it, you can blame me that you're not getting a remastered parade and related material.
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I agree, there's plenty space on the first where they could replace the edits by actual b-sides or remixes ( about 25 min IIRC).
They could have trimmed some pages in the book, such as too much photographs of Prince dressed like a tart, or useless subjective texts.
No lyrics printed of every tracks, nothing about the promotion of the album, charts and sales, singles released, cancelled, etc.

Some texts for unreleased tracks are too short.

Concerts on CD are the same as on the blu ray, so that s useless

I agree with all of that.

Vannormal said Symbol SDE would have sold even less, he s right

They should have tied the two releases together, they release D&P but they announce the next one to come( which would be cheaper)

Do at least some lyrics video for some unreleased songs...With AI now it costs nothing.

But despite these flaws, that Boxset still worth the money.
I think they should also do a 2cd edition with the album on CD1 and a mix of b-sides and unreleased track as a taste from the whole SDE ( like the Beatles).
Everything of that is true from every Boxset released so far. The previous estate never listened too that nobody cares about these edits , especially on vinyl.

Thanks to confirm at 100% everything I explained here so far.

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peedub said:

RODSERLING said:

I agree, there's plenty space on the first where they could replace the edits by actual b-sides or remixes ( about 25 min IIRC).
They could have trimmed some pages in the book, such as too much photographs of Prince dressed like a tart, or useless subjective texts.
No lyrics printed of every tracks, nothing about the promotion of the album, charts and sales, singles released, cancelled, etc.

Some texts for unreleased tracks are too short.

Concerts on CD are the same as on the blu ray, so that s useless

I agree with all of that.

Vannormal said Symbol SDE would have sold even less, he s right

They should have tied the two releases together, they release D&P but they announce the next one to come( which would be cheaper)

Do at least some lyrics video for some unreleased songs...With AI now it costs nothing.

But despite these flaws, that Boxset still worth the money.
I think they should also do a 2cd edition with the album on CD1 and a mix of b-sides and unreleased track as a taste from the whole SDE ( like the Beatles).
Everything of that is true from every Boxset released so far. The previous estate never listened too that nobody cares about these edits , especially on vinyl.

Thanks to confirm at 100% everything I explained here so far.

You missed that important sentence :
"But despite these flaws, that Boxset still worth the money"

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peedub said:

Thanks to confirm at 100% everything I explained here so far.

You missed that important sentence :
"But despite these flaws, that Boxset still worth the money"

Not to me.

Here's an idea, though. Since any intelligent person should have the money for the purchase of a SDE, and people should purchase things they don't want just 'cuz and since no more are ever coming out...why don't you go ahead and buy it for me? I'll PM you my address and you can have it shipped direct.

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Reply #115 posted 09/09/24 5:47pm

peedub said:

RODSERLING said:

You missed that important sentence :
"But despite these flaws, that Boxset still worth the money"

Not to me.

Here's an idea, though. Since any intelligent person should have the money for the purchase of a SDE, and people should purchase things they don't want just 'cuz and since no more are ever coming out...why don't you go ahead and buy it for me? I'll PM you my address and you can have it shipped direct.

Nonsense.
You would miss out the joy of paying 100$ + to your wreckastore, so you won't appreciate the tracks at their fair worth. You would never appreciate it as much as it being the fruit of your hard work. That's the true hidden message behind D&P SDE.

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Reply #116 posted 09/14/24 8:11am

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Strawberrylova123 said:

At least he confirmed that the Netflix contract is holding up vault releases
https://x.com/londellmcmi...us26qn0pRQ

Boom!

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Reply #117 posted 09/15/24 12:37am

peedub said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

At least he confirmed that the Netflix contract is holding up vault releases
https://x.com/londellmcmi...us26qn0pRQ

Boom!

That's BS since they released D&P last year, that Sony stopped his reissues in 2020, that they released some tracks this year...

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Reply #118 posted 09/15/24 4:43am

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peedub said:

Boom!

That's BS since they released D&P last year, that Sony stopped his reissues in 2020, that they released some tracks this year...

Did he say 'we're not releasing any material because we can't afford to because moron troll fans didn't buy D&P SDE'? Did he say anything like that?

Or, did he say something more along the lines of 'we're contractually unable to release stuff at this time. We're working on it. Stuff is coming'.?
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Reply #119 posted 09/15/24 5:54pm

peedub said:

RODSERLING said:

That's BS since they released D&P last year, that Sony stopped his reissues in 2020, that they released some tracks this year...

Did he say 'we're not releasing any material because we can't afford to because moron troll fans didn't buy D&P SDE'? Did he say anything like that?

Or, did he say something more along the lines of 'we're contractually unable to release stuff at this time. We're working on it. Stuff is coming'.?
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Again, that's BS. Want it or not, D&P was released last year, and the estate wasn't sued by Netflix.

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