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RODSERLING said: peedub said: I also opted not to buy candles and jewelry and bathrobes and T-shirts and throw pillows and blankies and a bunch of other crap I don't want, but they still offer more...yer outta yer mind, my guy. The estate are either incompetent or disinterested or unable. These are the reasons fans are dissatisfied with the amount/quality of material being released. The estate are not withholding future releases because d&p underperformed. Possessing a commodity for which there is a clearly communicated demand, it would behoove the estate to be a bit more accommodating if they wish to capitalize on it. The built-in, hardcore fanbase should be their focus and with simple and clever marketing they can draw in the noobs if they want. Prince is dead. His body of work is finite. The greatest potential to capitalize on it is now, with the people who knew and loved him best. [Edited 9/5/24 11:29am] So, why did the current estate release D&P SDE ? For the same reason they release anything. |
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because it was already assembled by someone else. No work on their part, just the distribution. It would definately make a big difference if a true fan was involved in the marketing. "Whatever skin we're in
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I want them to do something special with Dirty Mind and Controversy.Those are essential Prince albums that deserve more recognition and attention.Let's not just focus on only the biggest-selling albums! Dirty Mind may not have been a big seller,but it's an extremely important album in Prince's catalog. | |
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SoulAlive said: I want them to do something special with Dirty Mind and Controversy.Those are essential Prince albums that deserve more recognition and attention.Let's not just focus on only the biggest-selling albums! Dirty Mind may not have been a big seller,but it's an extremely important album in Prince's catalog. According to Rod, if you go to prince.com and purchase one of everything, your wish will come true. |
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RODSERLING said: To submit what the fans want to the estate is beyond ridiculous. You all want something different from one another. They couldn't do anything with that kind of list I m maybe the only one here to want just Prince music or video, instead of " one particular era of Prince" Prince was always Prince, no matter if it were in 1980, 1990, 2000 or 2010. Always above most everyone in the music industry. Always doing something interesting. Those who opted not to buy D&P SDE are the ones responsible for the lack of releases nowadays. To see them complaining now is beyond trolling. What " Spirit" has to do with the album sound D&P? Alice sounds more like what became Come than what was D&P. If you don't like D&P, fine, then buy it to allow the next SDE to happen, and that's all. Then bye bye LoveSymbol SDE, bye Purple Rain...That wasn't Newpowersoul (1998) they released for fuck' sake, how can you be so bashful about it. [Edited 9/5/24 10:14am] one day it's because of the netflix deal, the next it's because fans didn't buy D&P, on the weekend it's because of the dispute with the heirs.. the fact is none of us know the exact reasons why nothing is being released. |
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because it was already assembled by someone else. No work on their part, just the distribution. It would definately make a big difference if a true fan was involved in the marketing. So why don't they release the LoveSymbol SDE, that was already assembled too, other than because the previous one didn't sell as much as their expectations? |
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peedub said: Those who opted not to buy D&P SDE are the ones responsible for the lack of releases nowadays. To see them complaining now is beyond trolling. I also opted not to buy candles and jewelry and bathrobes and T-shirts and throw pillows and blankies and a bunch of other crap I don't want, but they still offer more...yer outta yer mind, my guy. The estate are either incompetent or disinterested or unable. These are the reasons fans are dissatisfied with the amount/quality of material being released. The estate are not withholding future releases because d&p underperformed. Possessing a commodity for which there is a clearly communicated demand, it would behoove the estate to be a bit more accommodating if they wish to capitalize on it. The built-in, hardcore fanbase should be their focus and with simple and clever marketing they can draw in the noobs if they want. Prince is dead. His body of work is finite. The greatest potential to capitalize on it is now, with the people who knew and loved him best. [Edited 9/5/24 11:29am] That hardcore, fanbase doesn't buy the unreleased music and video material when they are released. So on who exactly should the estate focus? and on what clearly communicated demand are you talking about? That's a joke. Nobody could agree on what era you would rather buy unreleased material, on what format... There are trolls that want the material to be focused on other things than Purple Rain, other trolls that want it to be not focused exclusively on the 80's, then when comes D&P, there are trolls who said now they should focus on Parade, then others who says they should focus on something more current, then when they release W2A then, they should focus on the 90's... That's endless. Truth is that 90% of orgers here can't just take what they are "given while there were still a willing to release something for the fans. |
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RODSERLING said: peedub said: I also opted not to buy candles and jewelry and bathrobes and T-shirts and throw pillows and blankies and a bunch of other crap I don't want, but they still offer more...yer outta yer mind, my guy. The estate are either incompetent or disinterested or unable. These are the reasons fans are dissatisfied with the amount/quality of material being released. The estate are not withholding future releases because d&p underperformed. Possessing a commodity for which there is a clearly communicated demand, it would behoove the estate to be a bit more accommodating if they wish to capitalize on it. The built-in, hardcore fanbase should be their focus and with simple and clever marketing they can draw in the noobs if they want. Prince is dead. His body of work is finite. The greatest potential to capitalize on it is now, with the people who knew and loved him best. [Edited 9/5/24 11:29am] That hardcore, fanbase doesn't buy the unreleased music and video material when they are released. So on who exactly should the estate focus? and on what clearly communicated demand are you talking about? That's a joke. Nobody could agree on what era you would rather buy unreleased material, on what format... There are trolls that want the material to be focused on other things than Purple Rain, other trolls that want it to be not focused exclusively on the 80's, then when comes D&P, there are trolls who said now they should focus on Parade, then others who says they should focus on something more current, then when they release W2A then, they should focus on the 90's... That's endless. Truth is that 90% of orgers here can't just take what they are "given while there were still a willing to release something for the fans. Seems to me, based on that argument, that the more they release, the more profitable it will be for them. Then, when their golden goose well runs dry, they can move on and stop sucking the joy out of Prince's legacy. |
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RODSERLING said: nayroo2002 said:
because it was already assembled by someone else. No work on their part, just the distribution. It would definately make a big difference if a true fan was involved in the marketing. So why don't they release the LoveSymbol SDE, that was already assembled too, other than because the previous one didn't sell as much as their expectations? I think the low sale figures of D&P SDE might at least be one of the reasons why they still haven't released the  SDE. We saw the leaked images of the remastered album and the deluxe version so most likely a SDE is ready by now. I think it was last year I read that they didn't have enough valut songs for the set, but they should have solved that by now. I mean, it can't be that hard to find a few more tracks in the vault. The other reason might be that they want to focus more on PR this year, but why haven't they released any PR SDE then? That's why the easte need to communicate with us about their plans and explain why they're holding up releases.U are now an official member of the New Power Generation
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Wasn't the D&P SDE a limited run anyway? |
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bozojones said:
You have no interest in the 30 + tracks on that SDE + the concerts + the notes from the book? But what are you doing here exactly? You are so broke You can't spend easily 100$ on it ? I m the first here to criticize some flaws ( useless edits, useless concerts on CD, useless photographs, no lyrics printed, etc.) but common, there are still some great music and video material in there that clearly worth the money spent. If even you all, fans to the point of dedicating a part of your life trolling that org, don't want to spend 100 bucks or so every year on like 6/7 hours of new material, then why would you expect the estate to behave otherly than like morons towards fans? I m not talking about celebrations, towels or coffee cup for fuck' sake, but the fucking Vault. They had the Symbol SDE ready to go, but completely lost interest the day you lost yours. This is so obvious, every readers here would see the ridiculous of that situation. " Advocacy of ideas for change" Well, you better start the change with yourself, actually buying the Vault next time you LL see it in stores, if you ever will again. |
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Ndorphinmachina said: Wasn't the D&P SDE a limited run anyway?
Not as limited as some brains here, obviously, since I still see it in stores. How can you want more from the Vault while, when you have the chance to see it in stores, you don't care and don't buy it? They were not selling Prince singing in his shower . These 30+ unreleased tracks were not cover from other artists or live tracks to serve as a filler, No. This Boxset was exactly what I read here for years what orgers wanted so bad, Prince dead or alive, when you read it. This could really be a Twilight Zone episode. [Edited 9/5/24 21:46pm] |
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My dearest, you sometimes are so wrong. And please leave the use of words like 'trolls/trolling' behind us. You simply use it too often. It's also bashful. Those 'throlls' are also your fellow Prince music lovers. We're all different in what we like from him, but we all are here for his music, right? People can buy what they want. No one is responsible for anything, and certainly not for the low results of some releases, if so. Let's keep this thread as constructive as possible. I politely asked for it. Isn't there already enough loss here on .org? - Anyway, a mix of releases would be "IT". Due to all these ego-wishes like "I want this" and "you want that" comments here, it would be exactly the best option and a most plausible solution to get something for everyone ; - physical release of music and video - digital release of music and video Simple as that. - Plus, concerning the release of all kinds of information like related photo's, text (as in SDE books); that's perfectly possible to put it up on the official Prince website, per release. That website by the way... no one really visits. Let's be honest about that. They could even put up so much more content instead of releasing it in a printed (low quality) book. There are enough pictures of Prince all over the internet. And i don't care all that much for the shots we never seen before of the same shoot. d To me, they don't add all that much to his musicianship. - I like more the raw pictures, like, those of the reels, details of his worn out instruments, things like that. Reality shown images that bring us closer to him and his work. Why not a 3-D visit of PP via the ineternet. Walk through the whole building, see every corner. I also would love to have more information on how they find things, how they worked on it, maybe some short videos on YT how they do it. Whatever. Work in progress is always far more interesting (to me). And more normal stories from those who worked with him, like from engineers. And a bit less deep investigated opinions from professors. Not that there's anything wrong with that, surely not. But let's not print it all up in a book. Make it even longer and more indepth available on a website. imho of course.
[Edited 9/5/24 22:28pm] "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972) |
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Exactly.A little communication would be nice.As a fan,it's frustating and annoying to keep hearing rumors about projects that are either abandoned,cancelled,or not even completed in the first place.I think most of us are getting tired of hearing about things that we can't have. | |
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I like SDEs
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Vannormal said:
My dearest, you sometimes are so wrong. And please leave the use of words like 'trolls/trolling' behind us. You simply use it too often. It's also bashful. Those 'throlls' are also your fellow Prince music lovers. We're all different in what we like from him, but we all are here for his music, right? People can buy what they want. No one is responsible for anything, and certainly not for the low results of some releases, if so. Let's keep this thread as constructive as possible. I politely asked for it. Isn't there already enough loss here on .org? - Anyway, a mix of releases would be "IT". Due to all these ego-wishes like "I want this" and "you want that" comments here, it would be exactly the best option and a most plausible solution to get something for everyone ; - physical release of music and video - digital release of music and video Simple as that. - Plus, concerning the release of all kinds of information like related photo's, text (as in SDE books); that's perfectly possible to put it up on the official Prince website, per release. That website by the way... no one really visits. Let's be honest about that. They could even put up so much more content instead of releasing it in a printed (low quality) book. There are enough pictures of Prince all over the internet. And i don't care all that much for the shots we never seen before of the same shoot. d To me, they don't add all that much to his musicianship. - I like more the raw pictures, like, those of the reels, details of his worn out instruments, things like that. Reality shown images that bring us closer to him and his work. Why not a 3-D visit of PP via the ineternet. Walk through the whole building, see every corner. I also would love to have more information on how they find things, how they worked on it, maybe some short videos on YT how they do it. Whatever. Work in progress is always far more interesting (to me). And more normal stories from those who worked with him, like from engineers. And a bit less deep investigated opinions from professors. Not that there's anything wrong with that, surely not. But let's not print it all up in a book. Make it even longer and more indepth available on a website. imho of course.
[Edited 9/5/24 22:28pm] We are all here for his music, sure. But obviously not everybody is here to support the releases from the Vault. That's my relevant point. It's not like they released pieces of crap, there's plenty of great quality material in every releases since his death. Knowing that, you can ask every wish list that you want, that would be only wishful thinking. You can't please everyone. There have been SDE, unreleased albums and compilations, a private recording, ...They could have done more, but everything tmreleased so far is great quality overall. I only agree with that important point: the estate should communicate more with the fans. I already written it on this topic. They should have done an interview last year with the release of D&P " the next one would be Symbol SDE, already done, depending on the sales and reception of this box-set". That would have made for more clarity indeed. Now, if not everybody is interested outside what Prince made in the 80's, that's fine. But one can't complaining now from lack of releases, when you actually not buy these fucking releases. We know that Londell McMillions wasn't especially keen on releasing these SDEs : too expensive, cheap margins, comprehensive research from the Vault...He did release D&P to give the new estate some credibility,to stop the bashing from fans. After all, the work had already been done. If it were successful enough, they would have released Symbol SDE for sure. Maybe after they wouldn't have bothered to release more SDE, but that one we were so close to have it that it's frustrating. |
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You have no interest in the 30 + tracks on that SDE + the concerts + the notes from the book? But what are you doing here exactly? You are so broke You can't spend easily 100$ on it ? I, for one, am not 'so broke'. After hearing the tracks promoting the SDE I cancelled my preorder. I then spent that money on Ween's 'chocolate and cheese' 30th anniversary reissue with 15 previously unreleased tracks, drive-by truckers anniversary reissue of 'southern rock opera', new order's reissue of 'substance' and the The's first new album in 25 years (arriving in the post today!), 'ensoulment'. All purchased within days of cancelling my preorder. The estate competed to win my dollars and lost that round. Too broke to buy shit I don't want? I guess... |
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peedub said: You have no interest in the 30 + tracks on that SDE + the concerts + the notes from the book? But what are you doing here exactly? You are so broke You can't spend easily 100$ on it ? I, for one, am not 'so broke'. After hearing the tracks promoting the SDE I cancelled my preorder. I then spent that money on Ween's 'chocolate and cheese' 30th anniversary reissue with 15 previously unreleased tracks, drive-by truckers anniversary reissue of 'southern rock opera', new order's reissue of 'substance' and the The's first new album in 25 years (arriving in the post today!), 'ensoulment'. All purchased within days of cancelling my preorder. The estate competed to win my dollars and lost that round. Too broke to buy shit I don't want? I guess... Oh ok, I thought one would have to be smarter than the average to be a Prince fan, so when you are intelligent you make enough wages to pay yourself one SDE a year or so. It's not as if there was a SDE every month. Must be frustrating to Spend hours on the org, but not being able to afford some 100 bucks in your idol. |
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RODSERLING said: peedub said: I, for one, am not 'so broke'. After hearing the tracks promoting the SDE I cancelled my preorder. I then spent that money on Ween's 'chocolate and cheese' 30th anniversary reissue with 15 previously unreleased tracks, drive-by truckers anniversary reissue of 'southern rock opera', new order's reissue of 'substance' and the The's first new album in 25 years (arriving in the post today!), 'ensoulment'. All purchased within days of cancelling my preorder. The estate competed to win my dollars and lost that round. Too broke to buy shit I don't want? I guess... Oh ok, I thought one would have to be smarter than the average to be a Prince fan, so when you are intelligent you make enough wages to pay yourself one SDE a year or so. It's not as if there was a SDE every month. Must be frustrating to Spend hours on the org, but not being able to afford some 100 bucks in your idol. I don't know about smarter than average. Smarter than you, certainly. But here's the thing. I. Don't. Want. It. And I have no desire to give my money to wealthy people who produce nothing and are not offering me something that I want. Prince I would support. When he released d&p, I didn't like the album. But, as usual, there were at least some gems so I bought it to support him. Same as I bought anything he produced. He produced a lot of shit that bombed. He kept producing. I'm 50 years old. The closest thing I have to an idol is my son, but hardly an 8 years dead pop musician. I like music. I like Prince's music more than most. I spend my money on music I want to listen to at will. D&P SDE ain't that. |
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dustoff said:
I just received it. I'm on side 3 now. It's brilliant and brilliantly recorded! |
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bozojones said:
Truth hurts. |
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peedub said: dustoff said:
I just received it. I'm on side 3 now. It's brilliant and brilliantly recorded! Off topic. We must focus on " ideas for change": more Vault releases without anyone willing to buy them. Revolutionary. |
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They should surprise us and release TGE SDE next  U are now an official member of the New Power Generation
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RODSERLING said: peedub said: I just received it. I'm on side 3 now. It's brilliant and brilliantly recorded! Off topic. We must focus on " ideas for change": more Vault releases without anyone willing to buy them. Revolutionary. I will likely NOT buy anything related to graffiti bridge or Batman or the first two albums. I will NOT buy merch (unless they provide a McFarlane toys sculpt of prince at the RnR HOF action figure) or admission to celebrations or exhibitions. I WILL buy anything related to Exodus, lovesexy, dirty mind, parade, goldnigga, lotusflower, the last few years of his life, various live stuff, the undertaker. Anything else will be a judgement call. |
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- Every Prince fan or otherwise has the right to complain as much as anyone want about any release (post-Prince). This can even turn out positive, when complaining to the right channel and the right people. That's just what's called 'communication.' Agree with it or not. Only the way you formulate your complaints determine whether they are listened to or not, plain simple. - Anyone can buy OR NOT BUY whatever SDE they like. Those who, for example, didn't want to buy the last SDE (or any of the other releases so far), will make extremely little or no difference to the situation we are in now. I don't even know how true it is about everything 'assumed' here about the costs to make one, and what the actually profit is of producing and selling them. No one ever made that clear (here). Yes there are numbers to be found on the internet, but specifically about the Prinve camp, we know little. - Many assumptions and quasi-truths, but none of us work at this level in the production or distribution sector. Too bad actually, it could clarify a lot about all these half stories, based on too many opinions and few verifiable facts. Although, say what you like, but Bart(VanHemelen) or whatever his new name is, is an extreme and 99.9% good reliable source of information. But we all know how smoothly that usually goes, and I for one don't care all that much anymore. he always and only attacks those (in his own ugly style) about assumptions written as facts and truths. (Yeah he could be more polite...) - I thought there was someone here on .ORG a few years ago (maybe already a decace ago...) who knew more about the music production industry, but as goes unsubstantiated personal accusations, people prefer to leave this graveyard. "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972) |
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