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Thread started 07/12/24 5:34am

Ramzoo

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"Sexy Dancer (Long Version)" digital version

I came across this Taiwanese compilation (not listed in Princevault.com) :

https://www.discogs.com/f...-Dance-Too

Thanks 2 Bigplayshay50 4 sharing !!!

Glad 2 have the version in digital at last. biggrin

It reminds me "America 21:46" included in the compilation "Black Archives: Minneapolis Funk".

https://princevault.com/i...polis_Funk


We're asking 4 new releases but we can enjoy what's currently available....

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Reply #1 posted 07/12/24 10:36am

databank

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Ramzoo said:

I came across this Taiwanese compilation (not listed in Princevault.com) :



https://www.discogs.com/f...-Dance-Too



Thanks 2 Bigplayshay50 4 sharing !!!


Glad 2 have the version in digital at last. biggrin


It reminds me "America 21:46" included in the compilation "Black Archives: Minneapolis Funk".



https://princevault.com/i...polis_Funk




We're asking 4 new releases but we can enjoy what's currently available....



It's a great catch!!! Pretty incredible it only surfaced today.

Sadly, America on the French comp is a different edit than on the 12''.
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Reply #2 posted 07/12/24 10:58am

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Sadly, America on the French comp is a different edit than on the 12''.[/quote]

It's the 12" version on the French compilation.
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Reply #3 posted 07/12/24 11:52am

CRM

databank said:

Ramzoo said:

I came across this Taiwanese compilation (not listed in Princevault.com) :

https://www.discogs.com/f...-Dance-Too

Thanks 2 Bigplayshay50 4 sharing !!!

Glad 2 have the version in digital at last. biggrin

It reminds me "America 21:46" included in the compilation "Black Archives: Minneapolis Funk".

https://princevault.com/i...polis_Funk


We're asking 4 new releases but we can enjoy what's currently available....

It's a great catch!!! Pretty incredible it only surfaced today. Sadly, America on the French comp is a different edit than on the 12''.

Some of us have known about it for some time.

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Reply #4 posted 07/12/24 12:04pm

Ramzoo

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CRM said:

Some of us have known about it for some time.

Great ! U should have shared the information...

Indeed CD was released in 1994 : I NE-VER had the information.

I always try to get the best version of a track instead of vinyl-rip...

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Reply #5 posted 07/12/24 2:36pm

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Great and all, but how does this make us not continue to ask for unreleased stuff to be released?
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Reply #6 posted 07/12/24 3:08pm

FrankieCoco1

Ramzoo said:

Sadly, America on the French comp is a different edit than on the 12''.


It's the 12" version on the French compilation.[/quote]

Hasn’t it been said before that the long version on that CD (with an earlier fade than was on the 12” vinyl release) was a vinyl rip. We need it properly on CD/HD track.

With the Taiwanese Sexy Dancer (Long Version) on CD, is that likely a vinyl rip too?
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Reply #7 posted 07/12/24 3:46pm

CRM

I would bet my left ball that it is.

Still, I guess we'll get a super deluxe edition of the "Prince" album in 2046.

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Reply #8 posted 07/13/24 1:51am

Kares

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Ramzoo said:

I came across this Taiwanese compilation (not listed in Princevault.com) :

https://www.discogs.com/f...-Dance-Too

Thanks 2 Bigplayshay50 4 sharing !!!

Glad 2 have the version in digital at last. biggrin

It reminds me "America 21:46" included in the compilation "Black Archives: Minneapolis Funk".

https://princevault.com/i...polis_Funk


We're asking 4 new releases but we can enjoy what's currently available....

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It's a vinyl-rip.

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Reply #9 posted 07/13/24 2:25am

Ramzoo

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FrankieCoco1 said:

Ramzoo said:

Sadly, America on the French comp is a different edit than on the 12''.


It's the 12" version on the French compilation.


Hasn’t it been said before that the long version on that CD (with an earlier fade than was on the 12” vinyl release) was a vinyl rip. We need it properly on CD/HD track.

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Indeed, I was wrong.

"America: the extended version released only on the maxi-single appears here slightly shortened of 15 seconds (for unknown reason)"
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Reply #10 posted 07/13/24 3:33am

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Kares said:

It's a vinyl-rip.


"America" is a vinyl rip (I have the CD and you can hear surface noise), but are you saying "Sexy Dancer" is also a vinyl rip (I don't have that compilation)?

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Reply #11 posted 07/13/24 5:10am

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olb99 said:

Kares said:

It's a vinyl-rip.


"America" is a vinyl rip (I have the CD and you can hear surface noise), but are you saying "Sexy Dancer" is also a vinyl rip (I don't have that compilation)?


So I've just listened to "Sexy Dancer (Long Version)" from the compilation and it doesn't sound like a vinyl rip to my (aging) ears. Can anybody confirm?

I've listened to "America" (from "Black Archives: Minneapolis Funk") again, and the surface noise is present right from the beginning of the track.

[Edited 7/13/24 5:11am]

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Reply #12 posted 07/13/24 5:23am

JorisE73

olb99 said:

olb99 said:


"America" is a vinyl rip (I have the CD and you can hear surface noise), but are you saying "Sexy Dancer" is also a vinyl rip (I don't have that compilation)?


So I've just listened to "Sexy Dancer (Long Version)" from the compilation and it doesn't sound like a vinyl rip to my (aging) ears. Can anybody confirm?

I've listened to "America" (from "Black Archives: Minneapolis Funk") again, and the surface noise is present right from the beginning of the track.

[Edited 7/13/24 5:11am]


could be either.
I the netherlands in the late 80s/early 90s when CDs were being pushed heavily on the consumers, we had a dutch Christmas compilation CD with Another Lonely Christmas (the 7 inch edit) on it that wasn't a vinyl rip. Some years later it appeared on Prince's the Hits/B-sides

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Reply #13 posted 07/13/24 9:21am

CRM

Someone I know has this CD and they say it's a vinyl rip.

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Reply #14 posted 07/13/24 1:16pm

Kares

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olb99 said:

olb99 said:


"America" is a vinyl rip (I have the CD and you can hear surface noise), but are you saying "Sexy Dancer" is also a vinyl rip (I don't have that compilation)?


So I've just listened to "Sexy Dancer (Long Version)" from the compilation and it doesn't sound like a vinyl rip to my (aging) ears. Can anybody confirm?

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It's not just the surface noise that can reveal a vinyl-source. Just compare the high frequency range at the beginning of the track with the end, it's a big difference, the result of the gradual decrease in linear velocity of the vinyl.

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Reply #15 posted 07/13/24 2:21pm

Kares

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JorisE73 said:

olb99 said:


So I've just listened to "Sexy Dancer (Long Version)" from the compilation and it doesn't sound like a vinyl rip to my (aging) ears. Can anybody confirm?

I've listened to "America" (from "Black Archives: Minneapolis Funk") again, and the surface noise is present right from the beginning of the track.

[Edited 7/13/24 5:11am]


could be either.
I the netherlands in the late 80s/early 90s when CDs were being pushed heavily on the consumers, we had a dutch Christmas compilation CD with Another Lonely Christmas (the 7 inch edit) on it that wasn't a vinyl rip. Some years later it appeared on Prince's the Hits/B-sides

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It's easy to recreate a 7" edit from the full master, when the record company fails to supply a digital master for the 7".

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Reply #16 posted 07/13/24 7:02pm

databank

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Kares said:



JorisE73 said:




olb99 said:




So I've just listened to "Sexy Dancer (Long Version)" from the compilation and it doesn't sound like a vinyl rip to my (aging) ears. Can anybody confirm?

I've listened to "America" (from "Black Archives: Minneapolis Funk") again, and the surface noise is present right from the beginning of the track.


[Edited 7/13/24 5:11am]




could be either.
I the netherlands in the late 80s/early 90s when CDs were being pushed heavily on the consumers, we had a dutch Christmas compilation CD with Another Lonely Christmas (the 7 inch edit) on it that wasn't a vinyl rip. Some years later it appeared on Prince's the Hits/B-sides



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It's easy to recreate a 7" edit from the full master, when the record company fails to supply a digital master for the 7".


The Bowie Estate (and WB with Let's Work) failed to several times on the "era" boxsets, though. I'm sure it's easy if one really tries but apparently they sometimes think making it shorter will be enough to fool everyone (which it isn't with the hardcore fans of course).
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databank

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Kares said:



olb99 said:




olb99 said:




"America" is a vinyl rip (I have the CD and you can hear surface noise), but are you saying "Sexy Dancer" is also a vinyl rip (I don't have that compilation)?




So I've just listened to "Sexy Dancer (Long Version)" from the compilation and it doesn't sound like a vinyl rip to my (aging) ears. Can anybody confirm?



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It's not just the surface noise that can reveal a vinyl-source. Just compare the high frequency range at the beginning of the track with the end, it's a big difference, the result of the gradual decrease in linear velocity of the vinyl.


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Interesting, thanks 😊
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olb99

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Kares said:

It's not just the surface noise that can reveal a vinyl-source. Just compare the high frequency range at the beginning of the track with the end, it's a big difference, the result of the gradual decrease in linear velocity of the vinyl.

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Thanks for the explanation. It makes sense in my mind, at least theorically, but how can i "see" this effect?

This is "America":


And this is "Sexy Dancer":



On "America", I kind of see what you're saying. There's an abrupt change around 12:20. It doesn't happen gradually.

On "Sexy Dancer", I don't really see it.

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Reply #19 posted 07/15/24 6:06am

Kares

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olb99 said:

Kares said:

It's not just the surface noise that can reveal a vinyl-source. Just compare the high frequency range at the beginning of the track with the end, it's a big difference, the result of the gradual decrease in linear velocity of the vinyl.

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Thanks for the explanation. It makes sense in my mind, at least theorically, but how can i "see" this effect?

This is "America":


And this is "Sexy Dancer":



On "America", I kind of see what you're saying. There's an abrupt change around 12:20. It doesn't happen gradually.

On "Sexy Dancer", I don't really see it.

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Well, perhaps what we see here is that I was wrong biggrin.
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I haven't even listened to the whole song and certainly didn't examine it in any way, only briefly listened in on the beginning and the end of the track – and to be honest I still hear a distinct difference. To my ears all those S-es in the 'sexy dancer' vocal parts sound much clearer in the beginning of the track than they do at the end – the end just sounds more muddy, dull and distorted to me, and it still suggests a vinyl source. What do you guys think?

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Reply #20 posted 07/15/24 8:40pm

rap

According to actress Ally Sheedy, she was the inspitation behind Sexy Dancer.

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Reply #21 posted 07/24/24 2:25am

olb99

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Kares said:

I haven't even listened to the whole song and certainly didn't examine it in any way, only briefly listened in on the beginning and the end of the track – and to be honest I still hear a distinct difference. To my ears all those S-es in the 'sexy dancer' vocal parts sound much clearer in the beginning of the track than they do at the end – the end just sounds more muddy, dull and distorted to me, and it still suggests a vinyl source. What do you guys think?


I don't hear it, but again, I wouldn't trust my ears. They're so bad these days... sad

In any case, if "Sexy Dancer" is sourced from a vinyl, they definitely did a way better job than with "America".

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Reply #22 posted 07/27/24 5:09am

ThePersian

Just wondering what the correct run time for the extended / long (full) version of Sexy Dancer is.

Discogs list the UK 12" as 10:35 but the CD states 8:53.

I'm guessing the Discogs discography listing is wrong for the 12".

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Reply #23 posted 07/27/24 11:42am

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ThePersian said:

Just wondering what the correct run time for the extended / long (full) version of Sexy Dancer is.

Discogs list the UK 12" as 10:35 but the CD states 8:53.

I'm guessing the Discogs discography listing is wrong for the 12".

www.discog.info/prince-discog.html

Discogs is wrong. Prince Vault lists it at 8:50
https://princevault.com/index.php?title=Single:_Sexy_Dancer

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Reply #24 posted 07/28/24 9:15am

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ThePersian said:

Just wondering what the correct run time for the extended / long (full) version of Sexy Dancer is.

Discogs list the UK 12" as 10:35 but the CD states 8:53.

I'm guessing the Discogs discography listing is wrong for the 12".

www.discog.info/prince-discog.html


It should be clarified that Discogs.com does have the correct length of 8:50 on the 12" single:

https://www.discogs.com/r...exy-Dancer

The url you posted is for some other site that isn't Discogs.com

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Reply #25 posted 07/28/24 6:05pm

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olb99 said:

Kares said:

It's not just the surface noise that can reveal a vinyl-source. Just compare the high frequency range at the beginning of the track with the end, it's a big difference, the result of the gradual decrease in linear velocity of the vinyl.

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Thanks for the explanation. It makes sense in my mind, at least theorically, but how can i "see" this effect?

This is "America":


And this is "Sexy Dancer":



On "America", I kind of see what you're saying. There's an abrupt change around 12:20. It doesn't happen gradually.

On "Sexy Dancer", I don't really see it.

I would expect to see this with America though. The change in EQ matches the complete tonal change in the track.

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Reply #26 posted 08/01/24 7:04am

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I would expect to see this with America though. The change in EQ matches the complete tonal change in the track.


Yeah, what we see on the picture is the not-so-subtle change in arrangement/music, not the phenomenon described by Kares, which is probably way more subtle.

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Reply #27 posted 08/07/24 2:32pm

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I wouldn't mind if the estate released a CD set of all 12" Mixes. I would love to finally have digital versions of "America" and "Anotherloverholeinyourhead".

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Reply #28 posted 08/07/24 3:25pm

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Reply #29 posted 08/08/24 7:41am

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kitbradley said:

I wouldn't mind if the estate released a CD set of all 12" Mixes. I would love to finally have digital versions of "America" and "Anotherloverholeinyourhead".

Yeah!

But every single 12" in cd form with the original sleeve/artwork on the slipcase.

This was actually supposed to happen back in the 90's.

Can't find the original post here...

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