I came across this Taiwanese compilation (not listed in Princevault.com) :

https://www.discogs.com/f...-Dance-Too

Thanks 2 Bigplayshay50 4 sharing !!!

Glad 2 have the version in digital at last.

It reminds me "America 21:46" included in the compilation "Black Archives: Minneapolis Funk".

https://princevault.com/i...polis_Funk

We're asking 4 new releases but we can enjoy what's currently available....

Ramzoo said:

databank said:

Ramzoo said:

I came across this Taiwanese compilation (not listed in Princevault.com) :

https://www.discogs.com/f...-Dance-Too

Thanks 2 Bigplayshay50 4 sharing !!!

Glad 2 have the version in digital at last.

It reminds me "America 21:46" included in the compilation "Black Archives: Minneapolis Funk".

https://princevault.com/i...polis_Funk

We're asking 4 new releases but we can enjoy what's currently available....

It's a great catch!!! Pretty incredible it only surfaced today. Sadly, America on the French comp is a different edit than on the 12''.

Some of us have known about it for some time.

CRM said:

Some of us have known about it for some time.

Great ! U should have shared the information...

Indeed CD was released in 1994 : I NE-VER had the information.

I always try to get the best version of a track instead of vinyl-rip...

Ramzoo said:

I would bet my left ball that it is.

Still, I guess we'll get a super deluxe edition of the "Prince" album in 2046.

Ramzoo said:

I came across this Taiwanese compilation (not listed in Princevault.com) :

https://www.discogs.com/f...-Dance-Too

Thanks 2 Bigplayshay50 4 sharing !!!

Glad 2 have the version in digital at last.

It reminds me "America 21:46" included in the compilation "Black Archives: Minneapolis Funk".

https://princevault.com/i...polis_Funk

We're asking 4 new releases but we can enjoy what's currently available....

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It's a vinyl-rip.

FrankieCoco1 said:

Kares said:

It's a vinyl-rip.

"America" is a vinyl rip (I have the CD and you can hear surface noise), but are you saying "Sexy Dancer" is also a vinyl rip (I don't have that compilation)?

olb99 said:

Kares said:

It's a vinyl-rip.

"America" is a vinyl rip (I have the CD and you can hear surface noise), but are you saying "Sexy Dancer" is also a vinyl rip (I don't have that compilation)?

So I've just listened to "Sexy Dancer (Long Version)" from the compilation and it doesn't sound like a vinyl rip to my (aging) ears. Can anybody confirm?

I've listened to "America" (from "Black Archives: Minneapolis Funk") again, and the surface noise is present right from the beginning of the track.

[Edited 7/13/24 5:11am]

olb99 said:

olb99 said:

"America" is a vinyl rip (I have the CD and you can hear surface noise), but are you saying "Sexy Dancer" is also a vinyl rip (I don't have that compilation)?

So I've just listened to "Sexy Dancer (Long Version)" from the compilation and it doesn't sound like a vinyl rip to my (aging) ears. Can anybody confirm?

I've listened to "America" (from "Black Archives: Minneapolis Funk") again, and the surface noise is present right from the beginning of the track.

[Edited 7/13/24 5:11am]

could be either.
I the netherlands in the late 80s/early 90s when CDs were being pushed heavily on the consumers, we had a dutch Christmas compilation CD with Another Lonely Christmas (the 7 inch edit) on it that wasn't a vinyl rip. Some years later it appeared on Prince's the Hits/B-sides

Someone I know has this CD and they say it's a vinyl rip.

olb99 said:

olb99 said:

"America" is a vinyl rip (I have the CD and you can hear surface noise), but are you saying "Sexy Dancer" is also a vinyl rip (I don't have that compilation)?

So I've just listened to "Sexy Dancer (Long Version)" from the compilation and it doesn't sound like a vinyl rip to my (aging) ears. Can anybody confirm?

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It's not just the surface noise that can reveal a vinyl-source. Just compare the high frequency range at the beginning of the track with the end, it's a big difference, the result of the gradual decrease in linear velocity of the vinyl.

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JorisE73 said:

olb99 said:

So I've just listened to "Sexy Dancer (Long Version)" from the compilation and it doesn't sound like a vinyl rip to my (aging) ears. Can anybody confirm?

I've listened to "America" (from "Black Archives: Minneapolis Funk") again, and the surface noise is present right from the beginning of the track.

[Edited 7/13/24 5:11am]

could be either.
I the netherlands in the late 80s/early 90s when CDs were being pushed heavily on the consumers, we had a dutch Christmas compilation CD with Another Lonely Christmas (the 7 inch edit) on it that wasn't a vinyl rip. Some years later it appeared on Prince's the Hits/B-sides

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It's easy to recreate a 7" edit from the full master, when the record company fails to supply a digital master for the 7".

Kares said:

Kares said:

Kares said:

It's not just the surface noise that can reveal a vinyl-source. Just compare the high frequency range at the beginning of the track with the end, it's a big difference, the result of the gradual decrease in linear velocity of the vinyl.

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Thanks for the explanation. It makes sense in my mind, at least theorically, but how can i "see" this effect?

This is "America":

And this is "Sexy Dancer":

On "America", I kind of see what you're saying. There's an abrupt change around 12:20. It doesn't happen gradually.

On "Sexy Dancer", I don't really see it.

olb99 said:

Kares said:

It's not just the surface noise that can reveal a vinyl-source. Just compare the high frequency range at the beginning of the track with the end, it's a big difference, the result of the gradual decrease in linear velocity of the vinyl.

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Thanks for the explanation. It makes sense in my mind, at least theorically, but how can i "see" this effect?

This is "America":

And this is "Sexy Dancer":

On "America", I kind of see what you're saying. There's an abrupt change around 12:20. It doesn't happen gradually.

On "Sexy Dancer", I don't really see it.

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Well, perhaps what we see here is that I was wrong .
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I haven't even listened to the whole song and certainly didn't examine it in any way, only briefly listened in on the beginning and the end of the track – and to be honest I still hear a distinct difference. To my ears all those S-es in the 'sexy dancer' vocal parts sound much clearer in the beginning of the track than they do at the end – the end just sounds more muddy, dull and distorted to me, and it still suggests a vinyl source. What do you guys think?

According to actress Ally Sheedy, she was the inspitation behind Sexy Dancer.

Kares said:

I haven't even listened to the whole song and certainly didn't examine it in any way, only briefly listened in on the beginning and the end of the track – and to be honest I still hear a distinct difference. To my ears all those S-es in the 'sexy dancer' vocal parts sound much clearer in the beginning of the track than they do at the end – the end just sounds more muddy, dull and distorted to me, and it still suggests a vinyl source. What do you guys think?

I don't hear it, but again, I wouldn't trust my ears. They're so bad these days...

In any case, if "Sexy Dancer" is sourced from a vinyl, they definitely did a way better job than with "America".

Just wondering what the correct run time for the extended / long (full) version of Sexy Dancer is.

Discogs list the UK 12" as 10:35 but the CD states 8:53.

I'm guessing the Discogs discography listing is wrong for the 12".

www.discog.info/prince-discog.html

ThePersian said:

Just wondering what the correct run time for the extended / long (full) version of Sexy Dancer is.

Discogs list the UK 12" as 10:35 but the CD states 8:53.

I'm guessing the Discogs discography listing is wrong for the 12".

www.discog.info/prince-discog.html

Discogs is wrong. Prince Vault lists it at 8:50
https://princevault.com/index.php?title=Single:_Sexy_Dancer

ThePersian said:

Just wondering what the correct run time for the extended / long (full) version of Sexy Dancer is.

Discogs list the UK 12" as 10:35 but the CD states 8:53.

I'm guessing the Discogs discography listing is wrong for the 12".

www.discog.info/prince-discog.html

It should be clarified that Discogs.com does have the correct length of 8:50 on the 12" single:

https://www.discogs.com/r...exy-Dancer

The url you posted is for some other site that isn't Discogs.com

olb99 said:

Kares said:

It's not just the surface noise that can reveal a vinyl-source. Just compare the high frequency range at the beginning of the track with the end, it's a big difference, the result of the gradual decrease in linear velocity of the vinyl.

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Thanks for the explanation. It makes sense in my mind, at least theorically, but how can i "see" this effect?

This is "America":

And this is "Sexy Dancer":

On "America", I kind of see what you're saying. There's an abrupt change around 12:20. It doesn't happen gradually.

On "Sexy Dancer", I don't really see it.

I would expect to see this with America though. The change in EQ matches the complete tonal change in the track.

SquirrelMeat said:

I would expect to see this with America though. The change in EQ matches the complete tonal change in the track.

Yeah, what we see on the picture is the not-so-subtle change in arrangement/music, not the phenomenon described by Kares, which is probably way more subtle.

I wouldn't mind if the estate released a CD set of all 12" Mixes. I would love to finally have digital versions of "America" and "Anotherloverholeinyourhead".

kitbradley said:

I wouldn't mind if the estate released a CD set of all 12" Mixes. I would love to finally have digital versions of "America" and "Anotherloverholeinyourhead".

Yeah!

But every single 12" in cd form with the original sleeve/artwork on the slipcase.

This was actually supposed to happen back in the 90's.

Can't find the original post here...