Kares said:

databank said:

Oh you meant the pitch thing was only on MDM2N, sorry I thought you meant the whole album. I never even listened to the whole remaster because when I realized one song was messed up with I diodn't want to have anything to do with it.

Comparing both files I think I can hear what you mean. Strange.

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I just asked Michael and he confirmed that it was a deliberate decision by P to master MDM2N a tiny bit faster/sharper than normal originally. (Apparently this is something he's done often.) So the recent remasters should NOT have corrected this.

Fascinating. Thanks for asking and for sharing his answer. I'll add that to my list of "quality issues".

olb99 said:

Kares said:

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I just asked Michael and he confirmed that it was a deliberate decision by P to master MDM2N a tiny bit faster/sharper than normal originally. (Apparently this is something he's done often.) So the recent remasters should NOT have corrected this.

Fascinating. Thanks for asking and for sharing his answer. I'll add that to my list of "quality issues".

Co-sign, thanks Kares for asking (and Michael for telling). I can believe it's something Prince could do (The Voice is the ultimate example of a song being imporved by being sped-up, and for 30 years, up until last September, I was convinced that P's bootleged version sounded like that because the tape had been slowed down by bootlegger, but no it hadn't ).

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Indeed, then, the remaster is another example of either messing up with the material posthumously if it was on purpose, or sloppiness if it was an accident (which is crazy because fans shouldn't see stuff the professionals in charge missed). I guess the missing drum opening is a consequence of that (or maybe they used a different edit they found in the vault?). Either way, the remaster is likely to be the version most people will listen to from now on... and it's not the album as it was intended

Funny thing is I always had the feeling something was slightly a distorted with the vocals on MDM2N (to great effect, but somewhat off). I guess I finally know why

Apart from all the obvious things people have alreayd said about the awful josh welton remaster, what about the fact that it's only 140 gram vinyl? I mean HOW cheap can they be? 180g is the standard usually for stuff like this. They really know how to make EVERY single decision the ABSOLUTE WORST one imaginable

FunkyStrange said:

Apart from all the obvious things people have alreayd said about the awful josh welton remaster, what about the fact that it's only 140 gram vinyl? I mean HOW cheap can they be? 180g is the standard usually for stuff like this. They really know how to make EVERY single decision the ABSOLUTE WORST one imaginable

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Just between us: the weight of the vinyl does not have a direct effect on playback quality. (Indirectly it can, as a thicker vinyl is obviously less likely to warp, but that's about it.)

Kares said:

FunkyStrange said:

Apart from all the obvious things people have alreayd said about the awful josh welton remaster, what about the fact that it's only 140 gram vinyl? I mean HOW cheap can they be? 180g is the standard usually for stuff like this. They really know how to make EVERY single decision the ABSOLUTE WORST one imaginable

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Just between us: the weight of the vinyl does not have a direct effect on playback quality. (Indirectly it can, as a thicker vinyl is obviously less likely to warp, but that's about it.)

I always thought thicker vinyl meant deeper grooves so higher quality audio

JorisE73 said:

Kares said:

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Just between us: the weight of the vinyl does not have a direct effect on playback quality. (Indirectly it can, as a thicker vinyl is obviously less likely to warp, but that's about it.)

I always thought thicker vinyl meant deeper grooves so higher quality audio

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Nope. Deeper grooves would require a different stamper (and different arm setting on the turntable).

Kares said:

JorisE73 said:

I always thought thicker vinyl meant deeper grooves so higher quality audio

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Nope. Deeper grooves would require a different stamper (and different arm setting on the turntable).

Ah ok

JorisE73 said:

Kares said:

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Nope. Deeper grooves would require a different stamper (and different arm setting on the turntable).

Ah ok

Just imagine the grooves' depth on THIS turntable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgxZwLtSLTY&ab_channel=TheBoyCub

databank said:

JorisE73 said:

Ah ok

Just imagine the grooves' depth on THIS turntable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgxZwLtSLTY&ab_channel=TheBoyCub

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But no matter how well a vinyl is mastered, the (unpopular and sad) truth is it can never achieve the dynamics of digital (including the good old CD). Like it or not, that's fact.

the point of vinyl though is that it has its own 'character'

thats why people like it

not about being better or whatever, music just sounds different on that format

TrivialPursuit said:

ItsOnlyMountains said:

This is incorrect. Netflix doesn't hold any rights to Purple Rain. They were granted exclusive access to music, videos, etc. and if it was used in the documentary, then the Estate had to wait until the documentary was released before releasing it.

Londell and Spicer are the ones holding up the release of new material - because they refuse to let Netflix release the documentary. Ultimately Londell and Spicer are to blame for no new releases because of their stubborness about the documentary.

It'd agree with part of this. No estate is going to sign over rights to something like Purple Rain, and lose control of the material. But, does the contract also state that the estate not release certain PR things until Netflix finishes its documentary? We don't know.

Where's the evidence of LM or CS stopping the release of the documentary? And why? I just wanna know. They'd be working against themselves because IF Netflix has some sort of exclusive clause for certain ephemeral material, and these two knucleheads stops that, then what does it profit them? They're clearly only there for the money anyway.

Also, regarding the rant - what was said exactly? (Cuz we all know how Prince fans exaggerate! haha)

From what I've been told the contract states that any new music used in the doc can't be released by the estate until after the doc. That would mean no 1983 1st Ave show (if it's in the doc, which seems likely).

Londell alluded to the reason at Celebration; they don't like the way Prince is portrayed. Londell is holding up the release on a contractual technicality. Yes, that means they're working again themselves, their interest in making money, and also the faux interest they have in Prince's legacy. But what do you expect from knuckleheads? They've shown time and time again they have no idea what they're doing.

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TrivialPursuit said:

ItsOnlyMountains said:

This is incorrect. Netflix doesn't hold any rights to Purple Rain. They were granted exclusive access to music, videos, etc. and if it was used in the documentary, then the Estate had to wait until the documentary was released before releasing it.

Londell and Spicer are the ones holding up the release of new material - because they refuse to let Netflix release the documentary. Ultimately Londell and Spicer are to blame for no new releases because of their stubborness about the documentary.

It'd agree with part of this. No estate is going to sign over rights to something like Purple Rain, and lose control of the material. But, does the contract also state that the estate not release certain PR things until Netflix finishes its documentary? We don't know.

Where's the evidence of LM or CS stopping the release of the documentary? And why? I just wanna know. They'd be working against themselves because IF Netflix has some sort of exclusive clause for certain ephemeral material, and these two knucleheads stops that, then what does it profit them? They're clearly only there for the money anyway.

Also, regarding the rant - what was said exactly? (Cuz we all know how Prince fans exaggerate! haha)

At this point, the only question should be :

What would be worse for the Estate and Prince legacy ?

1- Letting that documentary go though it doesn't portray Prince the way they want and might hurt a bit Prince's legacy/reputation

2- Getting into a lawsuit with Netflix and obviously lose the case because a contract was legally signed by the previous management team.

In this case, the Estate would have to give the money back and on the top of that pay for the damage done.

This strategy could simply bankrupt the Estate.

This said, we now know for a fact that these guys don't act in the Estate best interest.

Whatever they do, they do it for their own fame and sadly they're the ones ruling it all now.

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

the point of vinyl though is that it has its own 'character'

thats why people like it

not about being better or whatever, music just sounds different on that format

I'm a "FLAC guy", but I understand why people like vinyls. It's a physical object and a large one (compared to CDs, cassettes, etc.). In a dematerialized world, it's a comforting object.

I understand it is easy to lose hope.

Last year, Londell McMillan posted this : https://x.com/LondellMcMi...3826051075

He kept his word and an announcement came end of August for a release in October. Let's wait a little longer I would say.

WhenFansCry said:

I understand it is easy to lose hope.

Last year, Londell McMillan posted this : https://x.com/LondellMcMi...3826051075

He kept his word and an announcement came end of August for a release in October. Let's wait a little longer I would say.

Hi Londell

fredmagnus said:

TrivialPursuit said:

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In this case, the Estate would have to give the money back and on the top of that pay for the damage done.

This strategy could simply bankrupt the Estate.

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Honestly, I wish The Estate, or Prince LLC would go bankrupt right now.

Think of it.

So someone else could (buy the whole thing, and) start all over again.

Hell why not.

Vannormal said:

fredmagnus said:

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In this case, the Estate would have to give the money back and on the top of that pay for the damage done.

This strategy could simply bankrupt the Estate.

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Honestly, I wish The Estate, or Prince LLC would go bankrupt right now.

Think of it.

So someone else could (buy the whole thing, and) start all over again.

Hell why not.

Without giving it too much thought, this could possibly be the best way forward.

Forcing them to monetize the music.

in a world with thousands of billionaires, it would be my ultimate dream to have one
of them snatch up everything for like a couple hundred mill and just throw the entire
vault up online.




until that time I'd also be happy for just another dozen outtakes to leak.

or even just a single great 'new' song.

i'm easily pleased. except by this estate, obviously.

FunkyStrange said:

Vannormal said:

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Honestly, I wish The Estate, or Prince LLC would go bankrupt right now.

Think of it.

So someone else could (buy the whole thing, and) start all over again.

Hell why not.

Without giving it too much thought, this could possibly be the best way forward.

Forcing them to monetize the music.

I'm not sure we want that. There's not much money to be made by releasing music. At least previously unreleased music. Which is what I'm most interested in.

olb99 said:

FunkyStrange said:

Without giving it too much thought, this could possibly be the best way forward.

Forcing them to monetize the music.

I'm not sure we want that. There's not much money to be made by releasing music. At least previously unreleased music. Which is what I'm most interested in.

Like, LILpoundCAKE said, let some billionaire buy the whole thing, just to save his legacy, not necessarily to make a profit from it, and release as much as they can.

Why the hell not...

There are enough (coloured) billionaires in the US alone, who are capable of 'solving' one of their brother's current legacy's issues.

(I have to be really careful how I write this (here), because i'm a white European...)

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All i want to say is, from my heart, to get a final positive solution for this mess we're all in.

It would be my dream honestly, right now, to see some kind of positive changes going on. Doens't maater by who tbh.

I honestly don't even 'feel' how much those in charge right now truly care about Prince or his legacy.

If they want to stay in charge, please let there be be some GOOD changes made soon, for all of us.

Amen.

Who here actually ordered this?