eyewishuheaven said:

djThunderfunk said:

eyewishuheaven said:

God, imagine buying the 2015 Paisley Park remaster a second time...

I know, right?

Does not bode well for any SDE they may be cooking up. If they think they should stick with the 2015 master instead of having it redone properly that's a big disappointment.

Yeah, I'm quickly losing hope about a proper remaster and SDE. I think if they don't do a proper SDE of PR in 2024, they'll probably jump right to the Parade SDE that's strongly rumored to be completed. Or 2025 will be the remaster (which doesn't look very expanded), and 2026 could be Parade.

Of course, monkeys could also fly out of my butt.

TrivialPursuit said:

djThunderfunk said:

I know, right?

Does not bode well for any SDE they may be cooking up. If they think they should stick with the 2015 master instead of having it redone properly that's a big disappointment.

Yeah, I'm quickly losing hope about a proper remaster and SDE. I think if they don't do a proper SDE of PR in 2024, they'll probably jump right to the Parade SDE that's strongly rumored to be completed. Or 2025 will be the remaster (which doesn't look very expanded), and 2026 could be Parade.

Of course, monkeys could also fly out of my butt.

I am pretty sure there won't be a Remaster and there won't be a SDE of PR. This is their anniversary concept - a musical, the blue ray of the Movie, Celebration 2024, the Dolby Mix, the splatter vinyl. No other releases in 2024, they missed their chance already.

what bugs me even more: the heavy concentration on the US market. Celebration, musical and even all items from the store are in no way affordable or accesible for europe.

If the estate conncentrates so much on merchandise products - at least they could open a european store were you don't have to pay ridicolous postage and custom fees.

I don't know what all the fuss is about... this is a nice release, as mayve some newbies want to buy this, vinyl being all the rave

Krid said:

I don't know what all the fuss is about... this is a nice release, as mayve some newbies want to buy this, vinyl being all the rave

Oh please, what garbage is this. Go look at discogs and check how many times PR has been re-issued on vinyl in some kind of "limited" edition in the past ten years. Are you seriously claiming that record shops don't have PR on vinyl? Oh look, what a fucking surprise: https://www.amazon.com/Pu...071KWXJHG/ .

databank said:

paraded said:

You make a great but scary point. It's unlikely they would hawk this awful, nearly universally derided remaster and then offer a completely different remaster four months from now. Even if we get a SDE, this may be the best we get in terms of the actual album itself, which is tremendously dissapointing, especially after the awesome D&P remaster of the stereo album.

Not so awesome as it managed to fuck MDM2N's intro. That was super lame.

I really need to make a list of those problems (I'll start right away). Can you remind me of what was the problem with that intro exactly?

Spicer's alleged rant about Netflix at the Celebration pretty much confirms Netflix holds all the rights to anything 'Purple Rain' related as far as "new" material goes.

bizzie said:

Krid said:

I don't know what all the fuss is about... this is a nice release, as mayve some newbies want to buy this, vinyl being all the rave

Oh please, what garbage is this. Go look at discogs and check how many times PR has been re-issued on vinyl in some kind of "limited" edition in the past ten years. Are you seriously claiming that record shops don't have PR on vinyl? Oh look, what a fucking surprise: https://www.amazon.com/Pu...071KWXJHG/ .

All I am saying is that it is a nice release per se. Some people who are new to Prince might want to go the official website, and voila, here is a nice-looking vinyl special edition. Nothing wrong with this, and probably low-effort on the estate's side.

I know it is not what I will buy, but hey, just make a pass on this if you find it dull.

and thanks for calling my comment garbage, very kind of you

olb99 said:

databank said:

paraded said: Not so awesome as it managed to fuck MDM2N's intro. That was super lame.

I really need to make a list of those problems (I'll start right away). Can you remind me of what was the problem with that intro exactly?

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They've cut off two (fading in) snare sounds before the 5 more pronounced hit the song starts with.

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(And they've also corrected the tape speed so now it plays a little bit slower and lower in pitch, matching the standard tuning. The original release was slightly sharp for some reason.)

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olb99 said:

Kares said:

databank said:

Kares said:

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They've cut off two (fading in) snare sounds before the 5 more pronounced hit the song starts with.

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(And they've also corrected the tape speed so now it plays a little bit slower and lower in pitch, matching the standard tuning. The original release was slightly sharp for some reason.)

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Ah ok you beat me to it. I didn't know about the pitch. Not sure if it's good or bad news (I remember we once discussed the pros and cons of correcting A Kind Of Blue's pitch with Olb99).

Thanks Kares and Databank! I'll start the list in a simple text file (Markdown) on Github, and add what I can remember ("Erotic City", "Wally", etc.).

olb99 said:

databank said:

Kares said:

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They've cut off two (fading in) snare sounds before the 5 more pronounced hit the song starts with.

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(And they've also corrected the tape speed so now it plays a little bit slower and lower in pitch, matching the standard tuning. The original release was slightly sharp for some reason.)

[Edited 6/26/24 5:02am]

Ah ok you beat me to it. I didn't know about the pitch. Not sure if it's good or bad news (I remember we once discussed the pros and cons of correcting A Kind Of Blue's pitch with Olb99).

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Kind Of Blue had to be corrected, in my opinion, as the mastertape contained the correct speed. It was only the 2nd and 3rd generation copies that were off, and unfortunately those were used as sources for releases for decades, without anyone at Columbia noticing or caring enough to do something about it.
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As for Money Don't Matter 2Night: I have no idea if it was a technical error that resulted in only that song playing slightly sharp on the original release or it was a deliberate, artistic decision. Perhaps Michael Koppelman could tell?

So this seems to prove no actual remaster much less a SD this year?

Kares said:

databank said:

Kares said: Ah ok you beat me to it. I didn't know about the pitch. Not sure if it's good or bad news (I remember we once discussed the pros and cons of correcting A Kind Of Blue's pitch with Olb99).

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Kind Of Blue had to be corrected, in my opinion, as the mastertape contained the correct speed. It was only the 2nd and 3rd generation copies that were off, and unfortunately those were used as sources for releases for decades, without anyone at Columbia noticing or caring enough to do something about it.
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As for Money Don't Matter 2Night: I have no idea if it was a technical error that resulted in only that song playing slightly sharp on the original release or it was a deliberate, artistic decision. Perhaps Michael Koppelman could tell?

I now agree about KoB, though it would be interesting (if they haven't done it by now) to offer both versions (since the mistake became the album as it was known and praised for decades).

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Now when it comes to D&P's pitch, IDK, I would assume the album was released the way Prince wanted it?

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As for MDM2N, I would find it baffling if it was deliberate (remastering doesn't normally imply editing). I assume it's an error, but who knows.

databank said:

Kares said:

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Kind Of Blue had to be corrected, in my opinion, as the mastertape contained the correct speed. It was only the 2nd and 3rd generation copies that were off, and unfortunately those were used as sources for releases for decades, without anyone at Columbia noticing or caring enough to do something about it.
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As for Money Don't Matter 2Night: I have no idea if it was a technical error that resulted in only that song playing slightly sharp on the original release or it was a deliberate, artistic decision. Perhaps Michael Koppelman could tell?

I now agree about KoB, though it would be interesting (if they haven't done it by now) to offer both versions (since the mistake became the album as it was known and praised for decades).

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Now when it comes to D&P's pitch, IDK, I would assume the album was released the way Prince wanted it?

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As for MDM2N, I would find it baffling if it was deliberate (remastering doesn't normally imply editing). I assume it's an error, but who knows.

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I meant that perhaps P deliberately speeded up MDM2N very slightly on the original release. The recent remaster's omission of the fade-in is most probably a mistake, or someone decided "that's not how it should start" But of course they should not allow themselves such liberties.

MEH. How many times are they going to release the same turd in a different disguise? LOL

Kares said:

databank said:

I now agree about KoB, though it would be interesting (if they haven't done it by now) to offer both versions (since the mistake became the album as it was known and praised for decades).

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Now when it comes to D&P's pitch, IDK, I would assume the album was released the way Prince wanted it?

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As for MDM2N, I would find it baffling if it was deliberate (remastering doesn't normally imply editing). I assume it's an error, but who knows.

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I meant that perhaps P deliberately speeded up MDM2N very slightly on the original release. The recent remaster's omission of the fade-in is most probably a mistake, or someone decided "that's not how it should start" But of course they should not allow themselves such liberties.

Oh you meant the pitch thing was only on MDM2N, sorry I thought you meant the whole album. I never even listened to the whole remaster because when I realized one song was messed up with I diodn't want to have anything to do with it.

Comparing both files I think I can hear what you mean. Strange.

WhisperingDandelions said:

Spicer's alleged rant about Netflix at the Celebration pretty much confirms Netflix holds all the rights to anything 'Purple Rain' related as far as "new" material goes.

This is incorrect. Netflix doesn't hold any rights to Purple Rain. They were granted exclusive access to music, videos, etc. and if it was used in the documentary, then the Estate had to wait until the documentary was released before releasing it.

Londell and Spicer are the ones holding up the release of new material - because they refuse to let Netflix release the documentary. Ultimately Londell and Spicer are to blame for no new releases because of their stubborness about the documentary.

Screw Londell, Spicer AND Netflix. I just want new music. Whoever gives it up gets my money.

djThunderfunk said:

Screw Londell, Spicer AND Netflix. I just want new music. Whoever gives it up gets my money.

ItsOnlyMountains said:

No one here knows the whole story. I don't know the whole story. Most people claiming to know the whole story don't know the whole story. Best not to think about it until someone with any degree of authority comments on it definitively.

Rough said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Yeah, I'm quickly losing hope about a proper remaster and SDE. I think if they don't do a proper SDE of PR in 2024, they'll probably jump right to the Parade SDE that's strongly rumored to be completed. Or 2025 will be the remaster (which doesn't look very expanded), and 2026 could be Parade.

Of course, monkeys could also fly out of my butt.

I am pretty sure there won't be a Remaster and there won't be a SDE of PR. This is their anniversary concept - a musical, the blue ray of the Movie, Celebration 2024, the Dolby Mix, the splatter vinyl. No other releases in 2024, they missed their chance already.

what bugs me even more: the heavy concentration on the US market. Celebration, musical and even all items from the store are in no way affordable or accesible for europe.

If the estate conncentrates so much on merchandise products - at least they could open a european store were you don't have to pay ridicolous postage and custom fees.

I think they announced that their PR 40th anniversary would last an entire year, giving them 12 months to release more stuff.

lustmealways said:

No one here knows the whole story. I don't know the whole story. Most people claiming to know the whole story don't know the whole story. Best not to think about it until someone with any degree of authority comments on it definitively.

You don't know whether I know the whole story or not. If I did, I certainly couldn't/wouldn't post every single detail here since people could get in trouble.

ItsOnlyMountains said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

Spicer's alleged rant about Netflix at the Celebration pretty much confirms Netflix holds all the rights to anything 'Purple Rain' related as far as "new" material goes.

This is incorrect. Netflix doesn't hold any rights to Purple Rain. They were granted exclusive access to music, videos, etc. and if it was used in the documentary, then the Estate had to wait until the documentary was released before releasing it.

Londell and Spicer are the ones holding up the release of new material - because they refuse to let Netflix release the documentary. Ultimately Londell and Spicer are to blame for no new releases because of their stubborness about the documentary.

I feel like this is the exact same thing you quoted?

Either way with the semantics, long story short, the Netflix deal is preventing releases because of that exclusive access deal.

The Estate has no plans to consent to release of the Netflix documentary, therefore whatever random exclusive material contained in the documentary will remain exclusive to Netflix as the documentary will not be released (which like databank asks, what exactly does that encompass??)

ItsOnlyMountains said:

This is incorrect. Netflix doesn't hold any rights to Purple Rain. They were granted exclusive access to music, videos, etc. and if it was used in the documentary, then the Estate had to wait until the documentary was released before releasing it.

Londell and Spicer are the ones holding up the release of new material - because they refuse to let Netflix release the documentary. Ultimately Londell and Spicer are to blame for no new releases because of their stubborness about the documentary.

It'd agree with part of this. No estate is going to sign over rights to something like Purple Rain, and lose control of the material. But, does the contract also state that the estate not release certain PR things until Netflix finishes its documentary? We don't know.

Where's the evidence of LM or CS stopping the release of the documentary? And why? I just wanna know. They'd be working against themselves because IF Netflix has some sort of exclusive clause for certain ephemeral material, and these two knucleheads stops that, then what does it profit them? They're clearly only there for the money anyway.

Also, regarding the rant - what was said exactly? (Cuz we all know how Prince fans exaggerate! haha)

databank said:

Kares said:

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I meant that perhaps P deliberately speeded up MDM2N very slightly on the original release. The recent remaster's omission of the fade-in is most probably a mistake, or someone decided "that's not how it should start" But of course they should not allow themselves such liberties.

Oh you meant the pitch thing was only on MDM2N, sorry I thought you meant the whole album. I never even listened to the whole remaster because when I realized one song was messed up with I diodn't want to have anything to do with it.

Comparing both files I think I can hear what you mean. Strange.

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I just asked Michael and he confirmed that it was a deliberate decision by P to master MDM2N a tiny bit faster/sharper than normal originally. (Apparently this is something he's done often.) So the recent remasters should NOT have corrected this.