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Reply #60 posted 06/07/24 10:40am

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bozojones said:

This is the best that the estate could muster up for Prince's birthday today:

"Today we honor what would have been Prince's 66th birthday. Thank you Prince for sharing your musical genius with the world. You’ve made it a better place.



40 years ago this month, music history was made when Prince dropped his 9-track album Purple Rain, followed by the motion picture of the same name. The album and film won Prince two Grammys, two American Music Awards, a Brit Award, and an Academy Award for "Best Original Song Score." The Library of Congress added the album to the National Recording Registry in 2012 for being “culturally, historically, or aesthetically important."




On June 21, 2024, The Revolution will be playing a live concert at First Avenue in downtown Minneapolis as part of Celebration 2024! Morris Day, The NPG, and Taj Farrant will be performing at State Theatre on June 22nd. Celebrate Prince's birthday today by grabbing your tickets, available now at paisleypark.com/celebration-2024"





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Reply #61 posted 06/07/24 11:29am

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To be fair, they also put up a $1,500 ugly as fuck jean jacket for sale in the store.

bozojones said:

This is the best that the estate could muster up for Prince's birthday today:

"Today we honor what would have been Prince's 66th birthday. Thank you Prince for sharing your musical genius with the world. You’ve made it a better place.

40 years ago this month, music history was made when Prince dropped his 9-track album Purple Rain, followed by the motion picture of the same name. The album and film won Prince two Grammys, two American Music Awards, a Brit Award, and an Academy Award for "Best Original Song Score." The Library of Congress added the album to the National Recording Registry in 2012 for being “culturally, historically, or aesthetically important."

On June 21, 2024, The Revolution will be playing a live concert at First Avenue in downtown Minneapolis as part of Celebration 2024! Morris Day, The NPG, and Taj Farrant will be performing at State Theatre on June 22nd. Celebrate Prince's birthday today by grabbing your tickets, available now at paisleypark.com/celebration-2024"

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Reply #66 posted 06/08/24 1:16am

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databank said:

whodknee said:

Just as I (and others) stated the Musicology project isn't worth a large production unto itself. Nobody said they don't want any of the material. Speaking for myself, I would just rather it be packaged with other projects to make it more appealing. Now if the estate would rather release it as an individual SDE then I'll just have to deal with it (or not).

Yeah but what I meant was if an album's SDE is an average of 6 CDs + 1 DVD (album + singles + outtakes + live shows) as we've seen so far (which I wouldn't exactly call a LARGE production), either you mean they should, for example, make a 2000-2009 package with 66 CDs and 11 DVDs, which I think is going to be a hard sell when it comes to pricing, or you mean they should just keep the individual albums on print and release a 2000s SDE with 6 CDs and one DVD for the whole decade, which means leaving a LOT of material in the vault.

Or did I misunderstand entirely and if so, what would you propose?

Since the Musicology album itself was somewhat underwhelming I can't imagine the songs he left off were that great. However, if it were packaged with 3121 and its outtakes, for example, there might be enough to entice me. Personally, I'd do the same with ATWIAD and Parade because I'm not so sure the former is deserving of an SDE. These songs can be packaged together with the official albums released at the time or simply compiled according to the years they were created- I don't care.

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Reply #67 posted 06/08/24 3:01am

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whodknee said:

databank said:

Yeah but what I meant was if an album's SDE is an average of 6 CDs + 1 DVD (album + singles + outtakes + live shows) as we've seen so far (which I wouldn't exactly call a LARGE production), either you mean they should, for example, make a 2000-2009 package with 66 CDs and 11 DVDs, which I think is going to be a hard sell when it comes to pricing, or you mean they should just keep the individual albums on print and release a 2000s SDE with 6 CDs and one DVD for the whole decade, which means leaving a LOT of material in the vault.

Or did I misunderstand entirely and if so, what would you propose?

Since the Musicology album itself was somewhat underwhelming I can't imagine the songs he left off were that great. However, if it were packaged with 3121 and its outtakes, for example, there might be enough to entice me. Personally, I'd do the same with ATWIAD and Parade because I'm not so sure the former is deserving of an SDE. These songs can be packaged together with the official albums released at the time or simply compiled according to the years they were created- I don't care.


I think a 3121 SDE would have to be tied in with Planet Earth and Lotusflower since songs
for Lotusflower, comprising multiple track lists, morphed into first 3121, then Planet Earth
and finally resulting in the Lotusflower album as it was released.

Extra stuff for the Musicology album would probably be stuff he recorded and considered in
2003 for his next album. We know too little about the lead up to Musicology to be sure what
he was considering for this album or what else he recorded once the idea of Musicology was
settled upon as his next album.

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Reply #68 posted 06/08/24 4:36am

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I would like a TRC SDE and they could include the unreleased TRC 2 from 2004 since there might only be a handful of outtakes from the TRC era smile
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Free the prince SDE now!
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Reply #69 posted 06/08/24 5:06am

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MIRvmn1 said:

I would like a TRC SDE and they could include the unreleased TRC 2 from 2004 since there might only be a handful of outtakes from the TRC era smile


I would be so very happy if they started to release stuff like that cool

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Reply #70 posted 06/08/24 5:08am

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whodknee said:



databank said:




whodknee said:




Just as I (and others) stated the Musicology project isn't worth a large production unto itself. Nobody said they don't want any of the material. Speaking for myself, I would just rather it be packaged with other projects to make it more appealing. Now if the estate would rather release it as an individual SDE then I'll just have to deal with it (or not).



Yeah but what I meant was if an album's SDE is an average of 6 CDs + 1 DVD (album + singles + outtakes + live shows) as we've seen so far (which I wouldn't exactly call a LARGE production), either you mean they should, for example, make a 2000-2009 package with 66 CDs and 11 DVDs, which I think is going to be a hard sell when it comes to pricing, or you mean they should just keep the individual albums on print and release a 2000s SDE with 6 CDs and one DVD for the whole decade, which means leaving a LOT of material in the vault.


Or did I misunderstand entirely and if so, what would you propose?




Since the Musicology album itself was somewhat underwhelming I can't imagine the songs he left off were that great. However, if it were packaged with 3121 and its outtakes, for example, there might be enough to entice me. Personally, I'd do the same with ATWIAD and Parade because I'm not so sure the former is deserving of an SDE. These songs can be packaged together with the official albums released at the time or simply compiled according to the years they were created- I don't care.


I never thought I'd read someone saying that Parade, of all albums, and with the amount of material at hand, doesn't "deserve" a SDE eek

Either way this is the approach they almost chose with Diamonds and Love, and I'm glad they finally decided otherwise. TBH I find most of the outtakes on D&P rather underwhelming, and at this stage, after 35 years of listening to Prince, I'm not sure anything left in the vault can blow my mind, but I don't want this material to come out for my "entertainment", I want as much of it to come out for documentation purposes, regardless of whether I'll have a ball with it or not. I realize it's a different approach, but I stand by it.

Back to Parade and its sessions, which are widely considered one of Prince's creative peaks, this discussion shows how absurd it would be for the Estate to consider each and every fan's opinion and whims when it comes to deciding which album "deserves" an SDE. Each and every album should receive some sort of SDE treatment (which should take us somewhere around 2055 at the pace of one a year anyway).

Again, I value the way the Bowie Estate treats the material, obviously cherishing each and every era as being worthy of exploration, knowing that while some early Ziggy Stardust era fans felt let down by the Berlin Trilogy, Let's Dance or Earthling, there are later fans who did get into Bowie thanks to the Berlin Trilogy, Let's Dance and Earthling, and see artistic value in those records.
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Reply #71 posted 06/08/24 5:16am

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Edit: I apologize, I read "latter" instead of "former", so you meant ATWIAD not Parade. My bad. There may only be enough vault material for one CD with ATWIAD, unless they decide to throw in The Family and Romance 1600 (I'd rather see them release the Prince originals alongside those records' reissues if it's not too much of a headache when it comes to rights). Yet, with ATWIAD having a strong sonic identity that's very different from Parade and being one of Prince's best selling records thanks to P's post PR popularity, I definitely believe it should receive its own SDE, even if it's not an 8 CD package.
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Reply #72 posted 06/08/24 9:03am

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LILpoundCAKE said:



whodknee said:




databank said:



Yeah but what I meant was if an album's SDE is an average of 6 CDs + 1 DVD (album + singles + outtakes + live shows) as we've seen so far (which I wouldn't exactly call a LARGE production), either you mean they should, for example, make a 2000-2009 package with 66 CDs and 11 DVDs, which I think is going to be a hard sell when it comes to pricing, or you mean they should just keep the individual albums on print and release a 2000s SDE with 6 CDs and one DVD for the whole decade, which means leaving a LOT of material in the vault.


Or did I misunderstand entirely and if so, what would you propose?




Since the Musicology album itself was somewhat underwhelming I can't imagine the songs he left off were that great. However, if it were packaged with 3121 and its outtakes, for example, there might be enough to entice me. Personally, I'd do the same with ATWIAD and Parade because I'm not so sure the former is deserving of an SDE. These songs can be packaged together with the official albums released at the time or simply compiled according to the years they were created- I don't care.




I think a 3121 SDE would have to be tied in with Planet Earth and Lotusflower since songs
for Lotusflower, comprising multiple track lists, morphed into first 3121, then Planet Earth
and finally resulting in the Lotusflower album as it was released.

Extra stuff for the Musicology album would probably be stuff he recorded and considered in
2003 for his next album. We know too little about the lead up to Musicology to be sure what
he was considering for this album or what else he recorded once the idea of Musicology was
settled upon as his next album.



When it comes to 3121, PE and LG, the sessions were indeed intertwined, but this was actually quite common throughout Prince's discography. Of course a mega "era" boxset could be desirable, but expensive in physical media and heavy to digest all at once on streaming. From a commercial perspective I'd be tempted to think it's wiser to focus on one album at a time and use "recorded from day X to day Z" as a basis.
Again, I'm not convinced by the SDE format in itself. I think it's a frustrating format because often, not even everything released in connection to the album is included, and outtakes can be a mix of related and entirety unrelated stuff.
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Reply #73 posted 06/09/24 8:58am

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madison said:

I am also in my mid 50s. Lost interest in anything prince related… it’s sad to say as huge fan I don’t even listen to prince music anymore! The purple love is almost gone … there is no more exciting news anymore about Prince. The Purple Heart beat is almost gone … thank GOD for what I have


I'm pretty much in the same position. sad

Once in a while I think of Prince, and listen to some of his music. Maybe even do an internet search or visit here to see what's going on, though usually what I see simply makes me sad and/or angry at the estate. TBH, maybe even a little angry at Prince for failing to make a solid estate plan, which is why we've endured seemingly endless legal battles for eight years.

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"I would say that Prince's top thirty percent is great. Of that thirty percent, I'll bet the public has heard twenty percent of it." - Susan Rogers, "Hunting for Prince's Vault", BBC, 2015
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Reply #74 posted 06/09/24 1:05pm

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databank said:

LILpoundCAKE said:


I think a 3121 SDE would have to be tied in with Planet Earth and Lotusflower since songs
for Lotusflower, comprising multiple track lists, morphed into first 3121, then Planet Earth
and finally resulting in the Lotusflower album as it was released.

Extra stuff for the Musicology album would probably be stuff he recorded and considered in
2003 for his next album. We know too little about the lead up to Musicology to be sure what
he was considering for this album or what else he recorded once the idea of Musicology was
settled upon as his next album.

When it comes to 3121, PE and LG, the sessions were indeed intertwined, but this was actually quite common throughout Prince's discography. Of course a mega "era" boxset could be desirable, but expensive in physical media and heavy to digest all at once on streaming. From a commercial perspective I'd be tempted to think it's wiser to focus on one album at a time and use "recorded from day X to day Z" as a basis. Again, I'm not convinced by the SDE format in itself. I think it's a frustrating format because often, not even everything released in connection to the album is included, and outtakes can be a mix of related and entirety unrelated stuff. [Edited 6/8/24 9:04am]


You make a lot of sense nod

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Reply #77 posted 06/10/24 3:33am

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JorisE73 said:


Funny thing is tho is that I already did that weeks and months and years ago. the same happened with D&P SDE back then when everyone kept repeating my info and when I told them where I got it from (not some special hidden place) and they could confirm it themselves.
I'm not posting shit here because of members like ROdSErling here and others who feel they need to haras people via PMs because they don't understand the simplest of things.

I support u...u have the perfect right to act like this when u and others like u are treated as shit !


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Reply #78 posted 06/10/24 3:33am

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Finally back on the org after being booted during the password/data breach - it would appear not much has changed. Former handle was jstar69 (created using an old now defunct email- so no chance of resurrecting), repeatedly emailed the org admins but never got a response. Anyhoo, it’s good to be back.
Predictions - PR SDE + First Ave concert announcement during celebration. Thought we may have got a treat on his birthday but no such luck!
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Reply #79 posted 06/10/24 4:53am

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BBC 6 Music’s Ratcliffle and Maconie show had a Purple Rain at 40 section yesterday, playing I Would Die 4 U and nearly all the full length version of the title track at about one and half hours into the show.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sou...y/m001zwdl
(Also on the BBC sounds App if you can get it and it’s not geo locked)

Also mentioned that Craig Charles is also going to celebrate the album on his show on 25th June, the day after Celebration. Hopefully that is no coincidence.
There may or may not be something coming!
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Reply #80 posted 06/10/24 5:39am

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FrankieCoco1 said:

BBC 6 Music’s Ratcliffle and Maconie show had a Purple Rain at 40 section yesterday, playing I Would Die 4 U and nearly all the full length version of the title track at about one and half hours into the show. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sou...y/m001zwdl (Also on the BBC sounds App if you can get it and it’s not geo locked) Also mentioned that Craig Charles is also going to celebrate the album on his show on 25th June, the day after Celebration. Hopefully that is no coincidence.

Craigs show will be good. He is a die hard fan. Will probably play a few suprise tracks or a remix/edit by the likes of The Owl who has created some great remixes in the past

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Reply #81 posted 06/10/24 6:33am

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PP Twitter account had a passive aggressive back and forth with fans yesterday. When the fans were tweeting we need the schedule to plan their trips for MONTHS....PP account (probably LM) tweeted that they were giving thr full schedule on Thursday and their follow up tweet was "You see? It pays to be NICE"

They doubled down on the tweet too.

"You know, this is funky but I wish he'd play like he used to, old scragglyhead son of a...*smack* OOH!"

"Who's the foo singing will it's would"
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Reply #82 posted 06/10/24 8:10am

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AZStreet said:

PP Twitter account had a passive aggressive back and forth with fans yesterday. When the fans were tweeting we need the schedule to plan their trips for MONTHS....PP account (probably LM) tweeted that they were giving thr full schedule on Thursday and their follow up tweet was "You see? It pays to be NICE"

They doubled down on the tweet too.


what a bunch of ass hats smile

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Reply #83 posted 06/10/24 9:30am

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databank said:

Edit: I apologize, I read "latter" instead of "former", so you meant ATWIAD not Parade. My bad. There may only be enough vault material for one CD with ATWIAD, unless they decide to throw in The Family and Romance 1600 (I'd rather see them release the Prince originals alongside those records' reissues if it's not too much of a headache when it comes to rights). Yet, with ATWIAD having a strong sonic identity that's very different from Parade and being one of Prince's best selling records thanks to P's post PR popularity, I definitely believe it should receive its own SDE, even if it's not an 8 CD package. [Edited 6/8/24 5:17am]


Agreed.

For albums like ATWIAD, we still need an SDE even if it's smaller. The album, all the single tracks (which is enough reason alone for such a set to exist), and if there's no outtakes, or not enough, throw on a performance or a rehearsal or something and be done with it.

If there's enough Roadhouse Garden material it would fit better with ATWIAD than PR as well.

And Parade? We all know that one could be as big as or bigger than SOTT.

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Reply #84 posted 06/10/24 9:50am

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databank said:


Edit: I apologize, I read "latter" instead of "former", so you meant ATWIAD not Parade. My bad. There may only be enough vault material for one CD with ATWIAD, unless they decide to throw in The Family and Romance 1600 (I'd rather see them release the Prince originals alongside those records' reissues if it's not too much of a headache when it comes to rights). Yet, with ATWIAD having a strong sonic identity that's very different from Parade and being one of Prince's best selling records thanks to P's post PR popularity, I definitely believe it should receive its own SDE, even if it's not an 8 CD package. [Edited 6/8/24 5:17am]


Agreed.

For albums like ATWIAD, we still need an SDE even if it's smaller. The album, all the single tracks (which is enough reason alone for such a set to exist), and if there's no outtakes, or not enough, throw on a performance or a rehearsal or something and be done with it.

If there's enough Roadhouse Garden material it would fit better with ATWIAD than PR as well.

And Parade? We all know that one could be as big as or bigger than SOTT.


Oh yeah, Parade has the potential for being one hell of a MF biggrin
I just hope they don't throw The Flesh in the mix and keep those sessions for a separate killer boxset.
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