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Reply #30 posted 03/14/24 2:02am

JorisE73

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

it wasnt that good, thats all.

So many of my peers clowned hard on lame "Musicology" back in high school. Track was so whack/lame.

Prince was kind of clever titling his albums and especially here tours after title tracks. It causes all these pavolvian responses where it's like this subconscious game of telephone. "I like 'Musicology'! (the tour) What a fantastic comeback! (the tour) '"Musicology'" truly represents a Prince return-to-form (the.. song?) Everyone loves "Musicology" (wait, er did we love the tour or the song or...) Yep, you gotta rank 'Musicology' near the top of his works as a result. (the... album?)"

Like literally people have conflated a love of the tour era into a love of a lame album and even lamer lead single title track. Now Prince fans all over discuss what a "classic" era this is amongst the best when it's literally among his worst outside the albeit damn solid tour.


Everybody has different tastes you know

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Reply #31 posted 03/15/24 1:58am

funkbabyandthe
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the album was a give away album. im all for artists finding new ways to sell or promote or distribute their music, but yeah, the album was the afterthought of that era for prince. the tour was the real selling point. but its easier to get an artist on TV or in magazines or websites etc if they have new product to promote, than a tour.

i dont HATE the song, but i find it pretty corny. a sort of prince-as-talk-show-back-up-band rnb nostalgia song. i mean, music nostalgia songs can be great (eg sir duke by stevie wonder). this is not one of those songs. good bassline though.

[Edited 3/15/24 2:02am]

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Reply #32 posted 03/15/24 5:07am

psyche2

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

the album was a give away album. im all for artists finding new ways to sell or promote or distribute their music, but yeah, the album was the afterthought of that era for prince. the tour was the real selling point. but its easier to get an artist on TV or in magazines or websites etc if they have new product to promote, than a tour.

i dont HATE the song, but i find it pretty corny. a sort of prince-as-talk-show-back-up-band rnb nostalgia song. i mean, music nostalgia songs can be great (eg sir duke by stevie wonder). this is not one of those songs. good bassline though.

[Edited 3/15/24 2:02am]

We're going totally off topic here, but agree to your sentiment. Even more having in mind where he was coming from the previous years: The Rainbow Children -> One Night Alone -> Xpectation -> N.E.W.S. ... Then THIS ?

I became more tolerant for Musicology as a single over the years and I kinda enjoy it, but at the time it almost felt like a betrayal.

Don't get me started on the album though lol

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Reply #33 posted 03/15/24 5:26am

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musicology as an album is weak compared to what came before and after

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Reply #34 posted 03/15/24 1:01pm

RODSERLING

Musicology is a good album. Better than some albums that went before ( Rave, Newpower Soul), better than some that went after ( Planet Earth, 2010, Hit n Run)
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Reply #35 posted 03/15/24 1:36pm

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"Strange Relationship" should've been a single instead of "If I Was Your Girlfriend." Not that IIWYG is bad, but it's not as radio friendly in 1987 (when sounds were getting bigger, music was changing in 1987 by leaps and bounds), and would've stomped its way onto radio. Possibly even as a second single after "U Got The Look."

U Got The Look

Strange Relationship (May release)

Play In The Sunshine (a live version - this would be a circa-July release)

I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man (Sept release)

Adore (November release)

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #36 posted 03/15/24 2:54pm

LILpoundCAKE

psyche2 said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

the album was a give away album. im all for artists finding new ways to sell or promote or distribute their music, but yeah, the album was the afterthought of that era for prince. the tour was the real selling point. but its easier to get an artist on TV or in magazines or websites etc if they have new product to promote, than a tour.

i dont HATE the song, but i find it pretty corny. a sort of prince-as-talk-show-back-up-band rnb nostalgia song. i mean, music nostalgia songs can be great (eg sir duke by stevie wonder). this is not one of those songs. good bassline though.

[Edited 3/15/24 2:02am]

We're going totally off topic here, but agree to your sentiment. Even more having in mind where he was coming from the previous years: The Rainbow Children -> One Night Alone -> Xpectation -> N.E.W.S. ... Then THIS ?

I became more tolerant for Musicology as a single over the years and I kinda enjoy it, but at the time it almost felt like a betrayal.

Don't get me started on the album though lol


it felt even more perplexing that this was the point where all of a sudden the world and it's mother
were interested in prince again and kept calling this his best album since his birth or something.

meanwhile, overe here, a lot of us were looking at TRC and ONA, Xpectation, News and Cnote and
then back at musicology and going "what in the fucknugget is going on here?"

but the tour was good and his promotion ramped up something fierce around this time. he chose
to play the commercial/ceo game for a little while and I'm happy for him that it worked so well
and people finally gave him some well deserved props again.

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Reply #37 posted 03/15/24 3:39pm

RODSERLING

TrivialPursuit said:

"Strange Relationship" should've been a single instead of "If I Was Your Girlfriend." Not that IIWYG is bad, but it's not as radio friendly in 1987 (when sounds were getting bigger, music was changing in 1987 by leaps and bounds), and would've stomped its way onto radio. Possibly even as a second single after "U Got The Look."

U Got The Look


Strange Relationship (May release)


Play In The Sunshine (a live version - this would be a circa-July release)


I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man (Sept release)


Adore (November release)




Sign O The Time was a perfect lead single.

Your marketing plan then makes no sense, to not even include it.


The Cross would have been huge, better than any other single from SOTT at least in Europe. It' so easy listening and catchy
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Reply #38 posted 03/15/24 7:21pm

SoulAlive

I think “It” would have been a perfect single.A Top 10 pop smash.
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Reply #39 posted 03/15/24 11:02pm

TrivialPursuit

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RODSERLING said:

Sign O The Time was a perfect lead single. Your marketing plan then makes no sense, to not even include it. The Cross would have been huge, better than any other single from SOTT at least in Europe. It' so easy listening and catchy


What luck - what you think about me is none of my business. BYE NOW.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #40 posted 03/16/24 12:35am

RODSERLING

TrivialPursuit said:



RODSERLING said:


Sign O The Time was a perfect lead single. Your marketing plan then makes no sense, to not even include it. The Cross would have been huge, better than any other single from SOTT at least in Europe. It' so easy listening and catchy


What luck - what you think about me is none of my business. BYE NOW.



Go take your pills dude.
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Reply #41 posted 03/16/24 7:41am

funkbabyandthe
babysitters

Some great albums just dont sell millions and millions
Doesnt matter how great they are
Strange relationship wouldve been a better single than iiwyg but would it have made sott a bigger seller? Maybe, maybe not. As for the Cross, a religious single becoming a hit? I dont see it.
Icnttpoym came out after iiwyg and still did well, it got to number 10 in the states, so doesnt look like iiwyg dented the album that much
Even of prince did tour the states in 87, would it really have done better business than the 88 tour?
I imagine hed have been playing the same size venues and number of dates as with the 86 tour
So wouldve been a critical hit, but likely not a massive, stadium conquering success
The album did what it was meant too... its stock rose in later years like with a lot of classic albums
Ppl forget what the singles were for albums like sott
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[Edited 3/16/24 7:45am]
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Reply #42 posted 03/16/24 9:21am

SoulAlive

Yeah I really don’t think “The Cross” would have done well as a single.It’s hard to imagine that song getting alot of airplay at least here in the States.
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Reply #43 posted 03/16/24 9:39am

TrivialPursuit

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RODSERLING said:

TrivialPursuit said:


What luck - what you think about me is none of my business. BYE NOW.

Go take your pills dude.


lol lol lol So now I'm the bad guy because I don't put up with your acerbic personality. GOT IT. That tracks. 🤡

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #44 posted 03/16/24 11:23am

RODSERLING

IIWYG surely killed the album momentum.
No matter what you you are releasing after, it s dead. The album was certified 1 million in the US just before the release of IIWYG, then despite two further top ten hit singles, it didn't manage to reach the two millions.

People would rather buy the single song they like, than buying an album with already a clunker on it.
It also happened with 7 on Lovesymbol. Despite its success, it didn't propell the album higher in the charts.

As for Strange Relationship, I think it would have done better as a second single.
The Cross would have done great in Europe, just like Sometimes It Snows... would have done great.
Adore would have done great too in the US. It already did great in AirPlay without being released.
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