rap said:

SquirrelMeat said:

I was at 'small club'. It was a great night, like all aftershows are, but at the time. it didn't feel like a 'classic'. I think it only became that because it was the first aftershow to leak in such quality.

What celebrities were in attendance?

Al Magnoli
Linda de Mol
Rob Stenders
Kleman sisters
and alot of dutch celebreties that were on some hastily made guestlist by some PR people were rejected by the people who worked at 't Paard because they had made there own guestlist filled with friends and relatives according to the the people who worked there that night and gave them access before anyone else. Teh people who were at the dance party earlier that evening were allowed to stay but it werent that many people about 100, the rest of people who were there to buy tickets got a improvised ticket with a stamp on it for Prince's show on the ticket of another artist who played at 't Paard. a film crew documenting that earlier party were sent away by Prince's people.
That 50th year celebration of 't Paard was really great and they also played parts of Prince's show during it, audio only and showed the purple lovesexy wristband thing that people got that were on the guestlist that 't Paard made for there friends.

[Edited 1/5/24 2:31am]

Trufunksoulja said:

Small Club 88 is not a good release, because everybody and their moms already got a copy

There are a gazillion other aftershows they can release in soundboard.

Y'all ain't running a business. For a fan, it's not a good release because we do have it, and it's in relatively very good quality.

But from a business standpoint, to get that audio, really do a good mix and remaster on it, and create packaging around it, it would be a fantastic launch to a Bootleg series. Crystal Ball 2 is never going to happen, and that's fine. But these live shows are prime material waiting to be marketed out.

JorisE73 said:

rap said:

What celebrities were in attendance?

Al Magnoli
Linda de Mol
Rob Stenders
Kleman sisters
and alot of dutch celebreties that were on some hastily made guestlist by some PR people were rejected by the people who worked at 't Paard because they had made there own guestlist filled with friends and relatives according to the the people who worked there that night and gave them access before anyone else. Teh people who were at the dance party earlier that evening were allowed to stay but it werent that many people about 100, the rest of people who were there to buy tickets got a improvised ticket with a stamp on it for Prince's show on the ticket of another artist who played at 't Paard. a film crew documenting that earlier party were sent away by Prince's people.
That 50th year celebration of 't Paard was really great and they also played parts of Prince's show during it, audio only and showed the purple lovesexy wristband thing that people got that were on the guestlist that 't Paard made for there friends.

[Edited 1/5/24 2:31am]

Thanks, but I was referreing to the Camden Palace Aftershow.

goodgod said:

JorisE73 said:

Here a list of some confirmed proshots (this is just a excerpt of 2 mails of about 30 mails with more proshots)

* 13 March 1983 in Michigan
* 5 April 1983 in Denver
* 2 December 1984 in Toronto
* 10 December 1984 in Illinios
* 9 September 1986 in Yokohama
* 29 May 1987 in Austria
* 13 June 1987 in Paris
* 31 december 1987 Paisley Park
* 26 July 1988 in Camden
* 18 August 1988 in Rotterdam
* 16 March 1993 in Virginia
* 19 November 2000 in Michigan
* 8 October 2002 in Manchester
* 2 November 2002 in Rotterdam
* 25 February 2006 in Minnesota
* 9 December 2006 in Las Vegas
* 5 October 1981 in MPLS
* 9 October 1981 in LA (5 minute sample of the first Rolling Stones gig! Filmed by Hal Ashby)
* 11 October 1981 in LA (5 minute sample of the second Rolling Stones gig! Filmed by Hal Ashby)
* 30 December 1981 in Lousville
* 8 March 1982 in Minneapolis
* 27 - 28 February, 1,3,4,5 March 1985 CA
* 7 June 1986 in Detroit
* 14 August 1986 London
* 25 August 1986 in Paris
* 7-8 June 1987 in Milano
* 10 July 1988 in Paris
* 31 August 1988 in Hamburg
* 5 February 1989 in Tokyo
* 10 July 1990 in London
* 4 August 1990 Werchter
* 3 June 1991 WB Studio Luncheon show
* 11 January 1992 Glam Slam
* 4 September 1993 Gent
* 6 March 1994 Paisley Park
* 17, 23, 24, 26, 27 1994 Glam Slam
* 3, 4 May 1994 Monaco
* 24 May 1994 Glam Slam
* 21 June 1994 Hollywood
* 26, 27 x2 June 1994 Glam Slam
* 25, 26 July 1994 Glam Slam
* 13 November 1994 Paisley Park
* 3, 5, 8 March 1995 London
* 14 March 1995 Glasgow
* 21 March 1995 London
* 25 March 1995 Den Bosch
* 27 March 1995 Gent
* 30 March 1995 Dublin
* 9 January 1996 Tokyo
* 13 January 1996 Fukuoka
* 16, 17 January 1996 Tokyo
* 20 January 1996 Yokohama
* 16, 17, 18, 19 February 1996 Honolulu

& 25 July 1988 Wembley

01 August 1988 Wembley

02 August 1988 Wembley

Didn't know these were filmed.

rap said:

JorisE73 said:

Al Magnoli
Linda de Mol
Rob Stenders
Kleman sisters
and alot of dutch celebreties that were on some hastily made guestlist by some PR people were rejected by the people who worked at 't Paard because they had made there own guestlist filled with friends and relatives according to the the people who worked there that night and gave them access before anyone else. Teh people who were at the dance party earlier that evening were allowed to stay but it werent that many people about 100, the rest of people who were there to buy tickets got a improvised ticket with a stamp on it for Prince's show on the ticket of another artist who played at 't Paard. a film crew documenting that earlier party were sent away by Prince's people.
That 50th year celebration of 't Paard was really great and they also played parts of Prince's show during it, audio only and showed the purple lovesexy wristband thing that people got that were on the guestlist that 't Paard made for there friends.

[Edited 1/5/24 2:31am]

Thanks, but I was referreing to the Camden Palace Aftershow.

oh ok, i didn't see any mention of the Camden Show ('Small Club' is the show at 't Paard)

lustmealways said:

I read something sometime about video (snippet?) copies of Small Club having been on Soulseek or a similar service for a while and no one noticed.

A 15 second snippet from backstage with some Paard people and bandmates (and a certain someone as a kid) with Sheila E. walking past a 't Paard van Troje logo before she goes on stage was on Soulseek shared by the guy (the kid shown in that footage) who has the recoding. Another clip was I think alos on Soulseek of 15 seconds of Housequake from the show. Video synced with the circulating bootleg. (I only saw the backstage footage from a mate never saw the Housequake footage but he told me that was also shared on there)

JorisE73 said:

lustmealways said:

I read something sometime about video (snippet?) copies of Small Club having been on Soulseek or a similar service for a while and no one noticed.

A 15 second snippet from backstage with some Paard people and bandmates (and a certain someone as a kid) with Sheila E. walking past a 't Paard van Troje logo before she goes on stage was on Soulseek shared by the guy (the kid shown in that footage) who has the recoding. Another clip was I think alos on Soulseek of 15 seconds of Housequake from the show. Video synced with the circulating bootleg. (I only saw the backstage footage from a mate never saw the Housequake footage but he told me that was also shared on there)

N is a band member's child? None of my business, I know, but that's intriguing.

olb99 said:

JorisE73 said:

A 15 second snippet from backstage with some Paard people and bandmates (and a certain someone as a kid) with Sheila E. walking past a 't Paard van Troje logo before she goes on stage was on Soulseek shared by the guy (the kid shown in that footage) who has the recoding. Another clip was I think alos on Soulseek of 15 seconds of Housequake from the show. Video synced with the circulating bootleg. (I only saw the backstage footage from a mate never saw the Housequake footage but he told me that was also shared on there)

N is a band member's child? None of my business, I know, but that's intriguing.

@JorisE73 said a certain someone was there as a kid. He didn't say that certain someone was the child of a bandmate.

Buddy, inject these pro shots into my veins please.

lurker316 said:

olb99 said:

N is a band member's child? None of my business, I know, but that's intriguing.

@JorisE73 said a certain someone was there as a kid. He didn't say that certain someone was the child of a bandmate.

You're right. I wanted to make the hypothesis that he was (is) someone in Prince's entourage's child, not necessarily a band member's child. Again, none of my business, but that makes sense, given the amount of uncirculating recordings he has.

[Edited 1/9/24 23:58pm]

26 July 1988 in Camden
5 October 1981 in MPLS
8 March 1982 in Minneapolis
7 June 1986 in Detroit

Just let me have these 4 pro shots and I'll be good!

Not read all this thread, but I think there’s a difference between pro-shot, from standard video cameras in the club or venue, used for the footage on screens, etc, and real pro shot with multiple cameras on film.

Camden 88 seems to be on film, as it was part of the documentary. I assume other shows from the tour must have been filmed too.
These are the ones I really want remastered, like Glam Slam!
[Edited 1/9/24 11:09am]

happyshopper said:

Not read all this thread, but I think there’s a difference between pro-shot, from standard video cameras in the club or venue, used for the footage on screens, etc, and real pro shot with multiple cameras on film. Camden 88 seems to be on film, as it was part of the documentary. I assume other shows from the tour must have been filmed too. These are the ones I really want remastered, like Glam Slam! [Edited 1/9/24 11:09am]

I agree. Big difference between video cameras mounted on tripods, vs professionals with film cameras moving around.

rap said:

happyshopper said:

Not read all this thread, but I think there’s a difference between pro-shot, from standard video cameras in the club or venue, used for the footage on screens, etc, and real pro shot with multiple cameras on film. Camden 88 seems to be on film, as it was part of the documentary. I assume other shows from the tour must have been filmed too. These are the ones I really want remastered, like Glam Slam! [Edited 1/9/24 11:09am]

I agree. Big difference between video cameras mounted on tripods, vs professionals with film cameras moving around.

Surely a lot is single-camera shot, but at least professionally I presume. Either way, I'd pay whatever it takes to watch anything off that list

rap said:

happyshopper said:

Not read all this thread, but I think there’s a difference between pro-shot, from standard video cameras in the club or venue, used for the footage on screens, etc, and real pro shot with multiple cameras on film. Camden 88 seems to be on film, as it was part of the documentary. I assume other shows from the tour must have been filmed too. These are the ones I really want remastered, like Glam Slam! [Edited 1/9/24 11:09am]

I agree. Big difference between video cameras mounted on tripods, vs professionals with film cameras moving around.

Fully agree, i don't call those one camera handled by Morris, Brenda or whoever was available 'Pro shot'.
From the samples that some have seen of the list above these were all multicam footage.

JorisE73 said:

rap said:

I agree. Big difference between video cameras mounted on tripods, vs professionals with film cameras moving around.

Fully agree, i don't call those one camera handled by Morris, Brenda or whoever was available 'Pro shot'.
From the samples that some have seen of the list above these were all multicam footage.

Are 1st Av 82 March & 1st Av 84 June also multicam footage ?

love2thenines2003 said:

JorisE73 said:

Fully agree, i don't call those one camera handled by Morris, Brenda or whoever was available 'Pro shot'.
From the samples that some have seen of the list above these were all multicam footage.

Are 1st Av 82 March & 1st Av 84 June also multicam footage ?

As far as i know they are yes.

JorisE73 said:

love2thenines2003 said:

Are 1st Av 82 March & 1st Av 84 June also multicam footage ?

As far as i know they are yes.

Thanx..Cool ....i thought 1st there were filmed with one camera only !

Camden Palace 1988 Aftershow as an official release PLEEEEEASE! I mean the Small Club boots are great documentation of a great show, but I’d rather get an official release of a great show that we don’t already have in great audio quality. From what I’ve heard of that Camden show, it’s worth an official release.
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Speaking of, an expanded Lovesexy would be a great choice as the next superdeluxe style release. The aftershows for this tour were AMAZING. I’d love to get an aftershow audio and video, preferably two different aftershows. Plus the SDE releases get new covers, and lord knows Lovesexy needs a release without a naked Prince on the cover. Plus the 87 - 89 band was fantastic and got majorly disrespected in the release and promotion of the Sign o the Times SDE. I’d like to hear some more outtakes with members of that band and solo Prince during that time period.

controversy99 said:

Camden Palace 1988 Aftershow as an official release PLEEEEEEEASE! I mean the Small Club boots are great documentation of a great show, but I’d rather get an official release of a great show that we don’t already have in great audio quality. From what I’ve heard of that Camden show, it’s worth an official release. . Speaking of, an expanded Lovesexy would be a great choice as the next superdeluxe style release. The aftershows for this tour were AMAZING. I’d love to get an aftershow audio and video, preferably two different aftershows. Plus the SDE releases get new covers, and lord knows Lovesexy needs a release without a naked Prince on the cover. Plus the 87 - 89 band was fantastic and got majorly disrespected in the release and promotion of the Sign o the Times SDE. I’d like to hear some more outtakes with members of that band and solo Prince during that time period.

or just release a standalone live release (audio and video where available) every month and leave special shows (like try outs or one off shows that were not during a tour) for SDE's.

JorisE73 said:

Great start and
Personally I would like them to leave all the live stuff outside the SDE.
Prince was so different live as opposed to the album stuff.
It really deserves a different approach of output and tempo in releases.

The album and outtakes versions can make a decent SDE with more interval.

Krid said:

If people are asked about their favorite live boot, the 1988 Small Club is almost always mentioned.

I wonder if the estate should release this officially? There are many boots of this show (with even further improved sound quality) circulating, but this is such a good aftershow, shouldn't it be officially released?

Or does the estate not have an official SoundBoard recording of this in the vault?

A nice mid-price double CD, in excellent sound? Could be marketed nicely "the legendary 1988 aftershow"? With some nice photos, I would buy it (even though I already have 2 CD boots...)

What do you think? Good idea or is the market saturated for this already (as most hardcore Prince fans have this...)

No. We already have it in EX sound. We need things we've never heard instead of what we already have.

partyup77 said:

Krid said:

If people are asked about their favorite live boot, the 1988 Small Club is almost always mentioned.

I wonder if the estate should release this officially? There are many boots of this show (with even further improved sound quality) circulating, but this is such a good aftershow, shouldn't it be officially released?

Or does the estate not have an official SoundBoard recording of this in the vault?

A nice mid-price double CD, in excellent sound? Could be marketed nicely "the legendary 1988 aftershow"? With some nice photos, I would buy it (even though I already have 2 CD boots...)

What do you think? Good idea or is the market saturated for this already (as most hardcore Prince fans have this...)

No. We already have it in EX sound. We need things we've never heard instead of what we already have.

We have it in EX sound quality with a horrible mix, we need a proper mix to make it listenable in a home setting.

JorisE73 said:

partyup77 said:

No. We already have it in EX sound. We need things we've never heard instead of what we already have.

We have it in EX sound quality with a horrible mix, we need a proper mix to make it listenable in a home setting.

We need things we've never heard instead of what we already have.

partyup77 said:

JorisE73 said:

We have it in EX sound quality with a horrible mix, we need a proper mix to make it listenable in a home setting.

We need things we've never heard instead of what we already have.

that doesn't quite work as you think it does. As if they know and care what people have heard or is circulating on and off bootlegs.
I think they should ignore that and just release everything that they can find especially these 'mixed for the venue' soundboard recordings in a proper mix.