JorisE73 said:

TrivialPursuit said:

It doesn't mean it's not a viable option for official release. We have substandard quality items. The estate likely has the original recordings. (eg: Syracuse).

It's fine to release more than 2 things a year. They've missed an opportunity to release a Piano and a Microphone series. Doesn't have to be forever, but a trilogy would be fun. Or 5 albums worth.

Same for live stuff. There are some popular and classic shows bootlegged that we could easily have and they'd clean up a bootleg market. Make it a Prince: On The Mic, On The Stage series. Anything would be nice.

HOwever, that said we are getting live stuff. There's Syracuse, plus videos for the Glam Slam Show for D&P, a 1999-era DVD. They really missed releasing the Ultrecht DVD with SOTT. The NYE show is fine and all, but why not release a real SOTT show that had full staging separately (but at the same time), and put the Ultrecht show in SOTT? Who the hell knows at this point.

I'm just waiting on Parade SDE. AND speaking of that, I almost suspect they could - and they probably won't - do a Revolution series. The Purple Rain remaster (proper) seems inevitable next year, then ATWIAD and Parade after. Boom, boom, boom. 18 month campaign starting next spring, get 'er done. We know there are some Parade era shows that could be put on either of the latter two disks, OR if there's good footage of the First Ave '85 show for ATWIAD, then something like Paris for Parade (because - that's where IGBABN was recorded - makes 110% sense).

The 86 Paris Zenith show is a must! Video snippets of the show are going aroound for years so it was proshot filmed plus Prince announcing during the show that it's being recorded for release.

I truly hope for First Avenue 83 video on the Purple Rain SDE and First Avenue 84 as a standalone bluray

So, along with Detroit and Yokohama that is three proshot concerts.

psyche2 said:

JorisE73 said:

rap said:

JorisE73 said:

The 86 Paris Zenith show is a must! Video snippets of the show are going aroound for years so it was proshot filmed plus Prince announcing during the show that it's being recorded for release.

I truly hope for First Avenue 83 video on the Purple Rain SDE and First Avenue 84 as a standalone bluray

So, along with Detroit and Yokohama that is three proshot concerts.

And 14 August 1986 London

JorisE73 said:

rap said:

So, along with Detroit and Yokohama that is three proshot concerts.

And 14 August 1986 London

Oh okay. I was not aware.

JorisE73 said:

rap said:

So, along with Detroit and Yokohama that is three proshot concerts.

And 14 August 1986 London

And a SOTT concert.

JorisE73 said:

rap said:

So, along with Detroit and Yokohama that is three proshot concerts.

And 14 August 1986 London

Never heard before this show was filmed. Good news.

psyche2 said:

JorisE73 said:

And 14 August 1986 London

Never heard before this show was filmed. Good news.

Here a list of some confirmed proshots (this is just a excerpt of 2 mails of about 30 mails with more proshots)

* 13 March 1983 in Michigan
* 5 April 1983 in Denver
* 2 December 1984 in Toronto
* 10 December 1984 in Illinios
* 9 September 1986 in Yokohama
* 29 May 1987 in Austria
* 13 June 1987 in Paris
* 31 december 1987 Paisley Park
* 26 July 1988 in Camden
* 18 August 1988 in Rotterdam
* 16 March 1993 in Virginia
* 19 November 2000 in Michigan
* 8 October 2002 in Manchester
* 2 November 2002 in Rotterdam
* 25 February 2006 in Minnesota
* 9 December 2006 in Las Vegas
* 5 October 1981 in MPLS
* 9 October 1981 in LA (5 minute sample of the first Rolling Stones gig! Filmed by Hal Ashby)
* 11 October 1981 in LA (5 minute sample of the second Rolling Stones gig! Filmed by Hal Ashby)
* 30 December 1981 in Lousville
* 8 March 1982 in Minneapolis
* 27 - 28 February, 1,3,4,5 March 1985 CA
* 7 June 1986 in Detroit
* 14 August 1986 London
* 25 August 1986 in Paris
* 7-8 June 1987 in Milano
* 10 July 1988 in Paris
* 31 August 1988 in Hamburg
* 5 February 1989 in Tokyo
* 10 July 1990 in London
* 4 August 1990 Werchter
* 3 June 1991 WB Studio Luncheon show
* 11 January 1992 Glam Slam
* 4 September 1993 Gent
* 6 March 1994 Paisley Park
* 17, 23, 24, 26, 27 1994 Glam Slam
* 3, 4 May 1994 Monaco
* 24 May 1994 Glam Slam
* 21 June 1994 Hollywood
* 26, 27 x2 June 1994 Glam Slam
* 25, 26 July 1994 Glam Slam
* 13 November 1994 Paisley Park
* 3, 5, 8 March 1995 London
* 14 March 1995 Glasgow
* 21 March 1995 London
* 25 March 1995 Den Bosch
* 27 March 1995 Gent
* 30 March 1995 Dublin
* 9 January 1996 Tokyo
* 13 January 1996 Fukuoka
* 16, 17 January 1996 Tokyo
* 20 January 1996 Yokohama
* 16, 17, 18, 19 February 1996 Honolulu

JorisE73 said:

psyche2 said:

Never heard before this show was filmed. Good news.

Here a list of some confirmed proshots (this is just a excerpt of 2 mails of about 30 mails with more proshots)

* 13 March 1983 in Michigan
* 5 April 1983 in Denver
* 2 December 1984 in Toronto
* 10 December 1984 in Illinios
* 9 September 1986 in Yokohama
* 29 May 1987 in Austria
* 13 June 1987 in Paris
* 31 december 1987 Paisley Park
* 26 July 1988 in Camden
* 18 August 1988 in Rotterdam
* 16 March 1993 in Virginia
* 19 November 2000 in Michigan
* 8 October 2002 in Manchester
* 2 November 2002 in Rotterdam
* 25 February 2006 in Minnesota
* 9 December 2006 in Las Vegas
* 5 October 1981 in MPLS
* 9 October 1981 in LA (5 minute sample of the first Rolling Stones gig! Filmed by Hal Ashby)
* 11 October 1981 in LA (5 minute sample of the second Rolling Stones gig! Filmed by Hal Ashby)
* 30 December 1981 in Lousville
* 8 March 1982 in Minneapolis
* 27 - 28 February, 1,3,4,5 March 1985 CA
* 7 June 1986 in Detroit
* 14 August 1986 London
* 25 August 1986 in Paris
* 7-8 June 1987 in Milano
* 10 July 1988 in Paris
* 31 August 1988 in Hamburg
* 5 February 1989 in Tokyo
* 10 July 1990 in London
* 4 August 1990 Werchter
* 3 June 1991 WB Studio Luncheon show
* 11 January 1992 Glam Slam
* 4 September 1993 Gent
* 6 March 1994 Paisley Park
* 17, 23, 24, 26, 27 1994 Glam Slam
* 3, 4 May 1994 Monaco
* 24 May 1994 Glam Slam
* 21 June 1994 Hollywood
* 26, 27 x2 June 1994 Glam Slam
* 25, 26 July 1994 Glam Slam
* 13 November 1994 Paisley Park
* 3, 5, 8 March 1995 London
* 14 March 1995 Glasgow
* 21 March 1995 London
* 25 March 1995 Den Bosch
* 27 March 1995 Gent
* 30 March 1995 Dublin
* 9 January 1996 Tokyo
* 13 January 1996 Fukuoka
* 16, 17 January 1996 Tokyo
* 20 January 1996 Yokohama
* 16, 17, 18, 19 February 1996 Honolulu

Christ Almighty! He really did document everything. I would be interested to know what shows were "professionally filmed", as opposed to just a few camers mounted on tripods, etc.

rap said:

JorisE73 said:

Here a list of some confirmed proshots (this is just a excerpt of 2 mails of about 30 mails with more proshots)

* 13 March 1983 in Michigan
* 5 April 1983 in Denver
* 2 December 1984 in Toronto
* 10 December 1984 in Illinios
* 9 September 1986 in Yokohama
* 29 May 1987 in Austria
* 13 June 1987 in Paris
* 31 december 1987 Paisley Park
* 26 July 1988 in Camden
* 18 August 1988 in Rotterdam
* 16 March 1993 in Virginia
* 19 November 2000 in Michigan
* 8 October 2002 in Manchester
* 2 November 2002 in Rotterdam
* 25 February 2006 in Minnesota
* 9 December 2006 in Las Vegas
* 5 October 1981 in MPLS
* 9 October 1981 in LA (5 minute sample of the first Rolling Stones gig! Filmed by Hal Ashby)
* 11 October 1981 in LA (5 minute sample of the second Rolling Stones gig! Filmed by Hal Ashby)
* 30 December 1981 in Lousville
* 8 March 1982 in Minneapolis
* 27 - 28 February, 1,3,4,5 March 1985 CA
* 7 June 1986 in Detroit
* 14 August 1986 London
* 25 August 1986 in Paris
* 7-8 June 1987 in Milano
* 10 July 1988 in Paris
* 31 August 1988 in Hamburg
* 5 February 1989 in Tokyo
* 10 July 1990 in London
* 4 August 1990 Werchter
* 3 June 1991 WB Studio Luncheon show
* 11 January 1992 Glam Slam
* 4 September 1993 Gent
* 6 March 1994 Paisley Park
* 17, 23, 24, 26, 27 1994 Glam Slam
* 3, 4 May 1994 Monaco
* 24 May 1994 Glam Slam
* 21 June 1994 Hollywood
* 26, 27 x2 June 1994 Glam Slam
* 25, 26 July 1994 Glam Slam
* 13 November 1994 Paisley Park
* 3, 5, 8 March 1995 London
* 14 March 1995 Glasgow
* 21 March 1995 London
* 25 March 1995 Den Bosch
* 27 March 1995 Gent
* 30 March 1995 Dublin
* 9 January 1996 Tokyo
* 13 January 1996 Fukuoka
* 16, 17 January 1996 Tokyo
* 20 January 1996 Yokohama
* 16, 17, 18, 19 February 1996 Honolulu

Christ Almighty! He really did document everything. I would be interested to know what shows were "professionally filmed", as opposed to just a few camers mounted on tripods, etc.

Well, they did say they are proshots, so it's likely multi-shot material.

And let's not think that Prince doesn't have a video of every show he did. Multiple band members talk about him gathering everyone to watch the show after the show, to point out mistakes or whatever. We'll never see them all, but I fully believe 90% of his shows have been filmed.

TrivialPursuit said:

rap said:

Christ Almighty! He really did document everything. I would be interested to know what shows were "professionally filmed", as opposed to just a few camers mounted on tripods, etc.

Well, they did say they are proshots, so it's likely multi-shot material.

And let's not think that Prince doesn't have a video of every show he did. Multiple band members talk about him gathering everyone to watch the show after the show, to point out mistakes or whatever. We'll never see them all, but I fully believe 90% of his shows have been filmed.

Fair enough then.

I was at 'small club'. It was a great night, like all aftershows are, but at the time. it didn't feel like a 'classic'. I think it only became that because it was the first aftershow to leak in such quality.

TrivialPursuit said:

rap said:

Christ Almighty! He really did document everything. I would be interested to know what shows were "professionally filmed", as opposed to just a few camers mounted on tripods, etc.

Well, they did say they are proshots, so it's likely multi-shot material.

And let's not think that Prince doesn't have a video of every show he did. Multiple band members talk about him gathering everyone to watch the show after the show, to point out mistakes or whatever. We'll never see them all, but I fully believe 90% of his shows have been filmed.

But I think you know what I was getting at, (sometimes), Prince liked to do things El Cheapo!

rap said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Well, they did say they are proshots, so it's likely multi-shot material.

And let's not think that Prince doesn't have a video of every show he did. Multiple band members talk about him gathering everyone to watch the show after the show, to point out mistakes or whatever. We'll never see them all, but I fully believe 90% of his shows have been filmed.

But I think you know what I was getting at, (sometimes), Prince liked to do things El Cheapo!

I know what you mean. Think of the pro-shot videos that have leaked already: Paris and New York from the Dirty Mind tour, Stockholm'86... They are professionally filmed but still very rough and not somwthing that could be comercially released. Still, I'd pay top money to watch anything off that list!

Krid said:

(...)

I wonder if the estate should release this officially? There are many boots of this show (with even further improved sound quality) circulating, but this is such a good aftershow, shouldn't it be officially released?

(...)

The aftershow [trojan horse] was filmed by a professional film crew. A video release would be fantastic.

[Edited 12/23/23 8:50am]

psyche2 said:

rap said:

But I think you know what I was getting at, (sometimes), Prince liked to do things El Cheapo!

I know what you mean. Think of the pro-shot videos that have leaked already: Paris and New York from the Dirty Mind tour, Stockholm'86... They are professionally filmed but still very rough and not somwthing that could be comercially released. Still, I'd pay top money to watch anything off that list!

I would love to see any of those other Lovesexy shows and anything else with a little more finesse and not so guerillaesque.

SquirrelMeat said:

WhenFansCry said:

SquirrelMeat said:

I was at 'small club'. It was a great night, like all aftershows are, but at the time. it didn't feel like a 'classic'. I think it only became that because it was the first aftershow to leak in such quality.

What celebrities were in attendance?

rap said:

SquirrelMeat said:

I was at 'small club'. It was a great night, like all aftershows are, but at the time. it didn't feel like a 'classic'. I think it only became that because it was the first aftershow to leak in such quality.

What celebrities were in attendance?

??

JorisE73 said:

Magnoli's film crew that shot all the footage back then for Prince were in Amsterdam at there hotel when the aftershow in the Hague was going on. They didn't film anything. The dutch docu crew who were there that night filming footage for a nightlife doc were told to leave and didn't film it. The only footage that some have seen was from backstage right before the show and footage from the venue stage camera that was recorded by someone who worked there and erased the original tape after making two copies.

There is a professional video recording of the aftershow. For obvious reasons, I am unable to be more specific. The tape exists and there is a copy outside the vault.

I read something sometime about video (snippet?) copies of Small Club having been on Soulseek or a similar service for a while and no one noticed.

lustmealways said:

I read something sometime about video (snippet?) copies of Small Club having been on Soulseek or a similar service for a while and no one noticed.

Are you referring to Prince: A Musical Portrait?

rap said:

Are you referring to Prince: A Musical Portrait?

No.

I wish the Estate released a box with some great Prince concerts with great quality. And Small Club would be one of them, for sure

JorisE73 said:

JorisE73 said:

psyche2 said:

Never heard before this show was filmed. Good news.

Here a list of some confirmed proshots (this is just a excerpt of 2 mails of about 30 mails with more proshots)

* 13 March 1983 in Michigan
* 5 April 1983 in Denver
* 2 December 1984 in Toronto
* 10 December 1984 in Illinios
* 9 September 1986 in Yokohama
* 29 May 1987 in Austria
* 13 June 1987 in Paris
* 31 december 1987 Paisley Park
* 26 July 1988 in Camden
* 18 August 1988 in Rotterdam
* 16 March 1993 in Virginia
* 19 November 2000 in Michigan
* 8 October 2002 in Manchester
* 2 November 2002 in Rotterdam
* 25 February 2006 in Minnesota
* 9 December 2006 in Las Vegas
* 5 October 1981 in MPLS
* 9 October 1981 in LA (5 minute sample of the first Rolling Stones gig! Filmed by Hal Ashby)
* 11 October 1981 in LA (5 minute sample of the second Rolling Stones gig! Filmed by Hal Ashby)
* 30 December 1981 in Lousville
* 8 March 1982 in Minneapolis
* 27 - 28 February, 1,3,4,5 March 1985 CA
* 7 June 1986 in Detroit
* 14 August 1986 London
* 25 August 1986 in Paris
* 7-8 June 1987 in Milano
* 10 July 1988 in Paris
* 31 August 1988 in Hamburg
* 5 February 1989 in Tokyo
* 10 July 1990 in London
* 4 August 1990 Werchter
* 3 June 1991 WB Studio Luncheon show
* 11 January 1992 Glam Slam
* 4 September 1993 Gent
* 6 March 1994 Paisley Park
* 17, 23, 24, 26, 27 1994 Glam Slam
* 3, 4 May 1994 Monaco
* 24 May 1994 Glam Slam
* 21 June 1994 Hollywood
* 26, 27 x2 June 1994 Glam Slam
* 25, 26 July 1994 Glam Slam
* 13 November 1994 Paisley Park
* 3, 5, 8 March 1995 London
* 14 March 1995 Glasgow
* 21 March 1995 London
* 25 March 1995 Den Bosch
* 27 March 1995 Gent
* 30 March 1995 Dublin
* 9 January 1996 Tokyo
* 13 January 1996 Fukuoka
* 16, 17 January 1996 Tokyo
* 20 January 1996 Yokohama
* 16, 17, 18, 19 February 1996 Honolulu

& 25 July 1988 Wembley

01 August 1988 Wembley

02 August 1988 Wembley

Small Club 88 is not a good release, because everybody and their moms already got a copy

There are a gazillion other aftershows they can release in soundboard.

Trufunksoulja said:

Small Club 88 is not a good release, because everybody and their moms already got a copy

There are a gazillion other aftershows they can release in soundboard.

^ This.

dualboot said:

JorisE73 said:

The dutch docu crew who were there that night filming footage for a nightlife doc were told to leave and didn't film it

In 1990 I met the guy from they nightlife docu and he mentioned what you describe here. He told me he saw Prince only once at a concert in The Hague but didn’t like the music played over there that evening. He was there by chance and was allowed to stay and watch under the promise not to film anything. I didn’t believe the story somuch at that moment but a day later het gave me the ticket of the show with the remark that I would appreciate it more.

last year or in 2022 I went to the 50th anniversary of 't Paard and there wee some people telling stories about that night Prince played and abotu the audi recoding but also about the 45 minute black and white footage with almost unrecognisable audio that wasn't worth revisiting according to them, and again the story of the doc crew that was sent away and Magnoli who did wanted to film it but the film crew was stuck in Amsterdam.
The people who worked there also told small bits f it and about the stage camera that recoded the whole thing and the strict no taping rule from Prince's people.

To the person above who says it wa Pro shot, that's not true (acording to Magnoli, 't Paard people and the people in attendance who didn't see any film crew) the only footage that was shared to some 2 yars ago was a 15-20 sceond sample footage from backstage filmed by the same guy who owned the stage camera, and a 15 second sample of Housequake filmed with the stage camera. Teh guy also told the story how he recoded over the tape after making 2 copies that he doesn't know if they still exist (we know where those 2 video tapes are tho and why.)