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Thread started 11/08/23 11:40pm

26ten

MPLSound vs Lotus Flower?

As I'm revisiting some under listened P albums one I've had to check out further is Lotus Flower.

When I got the 3 album cd sleeve I really didn't care for MPLSound but it's grown on me a bit and I actually feel Lotus Flower, although it has some great high points, is the weaker album of the two. Colonized Mind, $, the ending chords of Boom, and Feel Better Feel Good, are quite good but I feel as though the rest of the album is a bit uninspired. It sounds like a lot of it was cut live but there just isn't much excitement happening for me on them.

Idk - which of these two 2009 albums do you prefer + what are your thoughts about them?
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Reply #1 posted 11/08/23 11:54pm

guitarman81

I remember when this 3 disc set came out. The direction that P was going seemd more guitar focused especially for LotusFlow3r. MPLSound has some decent tracks.

Personally I find the albums too digital sound, I believe this was around the time P was starting to use ProTools.

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Reply #2 posted 11/09/23 1:13am

26ten

guitarman81 said:

I remember when this 3 disc set came out. The direction that P was going seemd more guitar focused especially for LotusFlow3r. MPLSound has some decent tracks.



Personally I find the albums too digital sound, I believe this was around the time P was starting to use ProTools.



Yeah they're a little too clean imo - which can be an asset for sure, although it felt a little uncontrolled on both albums.
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Reply #3 posted 11/09/23 1:29am

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I think LotusFlow3r is one of Prince’s greatest masterpieces. It’s not just the individual great songs (Colonized Mind, Feel Better, Love Like Jazz, $, Dreamer). It’s also that it was a cohesive concept album.

In some songs, or sections of songs, he was certainly going for a more artsy vibe, as opposed to a commercial vibe, but I appreciate that, rather than finding it pretentious. I love when Prince William experiments and is weird. It doesn’t always work, but I find it preferable to his trying to write radio hits.

I think MPLSound is an okay album, but I don’t think it’s anywhere near as amazing as LotusFlow3r.
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Reply #4 posted 11/09/23 9:05am

TrivialPursuit

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A hybrid of both, because neither stands on its own. There are probably 10-12 solid songs on there to make one good record.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #5 posted 11/09/23 11:30am

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I like Mplsound

I love Lotusflow3r.

3121, Planet Earth and Lotusflow3r are great tribology.

I would love to get a Lotus sessions box set covering 2005 - 2009
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Reply #6 posted 11/09/23 2:02pm

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The best album in the 2009 Triple-LP set he released will always and forever be:

Elixer


"Everytime" alone is better than the other two LPs combo.

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Reply #7 posted 11/09/23 2:46pm

Ndorphinmachin
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Both are decent. Especially for an artist as far into their career as Prince was at the time of their release. Colonised Mind, Dreamer, Dance for me, Ol School Company, No More Candy, are all essential songs IMO.

I don't think there is anything that's outright terrible. Some of the slow jams don't really do it for me, but after Planet Earth and 20ten this was a return to form in my eyes.

I also think the cover art for MPLSound is one of his best.
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Reply #8 posted 11/09/23 3:58pm

nayroo2002

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lurker316 said:

I think LotusFlow3r is one of Prince’s greatest masterpieces. It’s not just the individual great songs (Colonized Mind, Feel Better, Love Like Jazz, $, Dreamer). It’s also that it was a cohesive concept album. In some songs, or sections of songs, he was certainly going for a more artsy vibe, as opposed to a commercial vibe, but I appreciate that, rather than finding it pretentious. I love when Prince William experiments and is weird. It doesn’t always work, but I find it preferable to his trying to write radio hits. I think MPLSound is an okay album, but I don’t think it’s anywhere near as amazing as LotusFlow3r.

Do you use an A.I. app for composing? lol

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Reply #9 posted 11/09/23 5:25pm

Landonfunkmonk
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WhisperingDandelions said:

The best album in the 2009 Triple-LP set he released will always and forever be:


Elixer



"Everytime" alone is better than the other two LPs combo.



I wouldn't go that far.

I do really enjoy Elixer. Would love to hear the Prince versions of these songs.

All this love live was fantastic.
Something BIG Is Coming.
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Reply #10 posted 11/09/23 6:13pm

26ten

WhisperingDandelions said:

The best album in the 2009 Triple-LP set he released will always and forever be:


Elixer



"Everytime" alone is better than the other two LPs combo.



While we are on the subject of albums that were unfairly maligned hahaha

I can totally understand why you'd say that. I have felt that the high points of the album are some of the best parts of those three. I'm so used to people just slagging off this album that I didn't feel there was even a point in including it in the post haha
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Reply #11 posted 11/09/23 7:40pm

IanRG

Prince always told us that MLPSound will be "better with time"

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Reply #12 posted 11/09/23 7:57pm

RJOrion

WhisperingDandelions said:

The best album in the 2009 Triple-LP set he released will always and forever be:


Elixer



"Everytime" alone is better than the other two LPs combo.




I agree 100%..and i like all 3 albums...all of them are underrated.
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Reply #13 posted 11/09/23 8:54pm

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To my ears, MPLSound has always seemd to have tried too hard with the 80s Prince sound pastiche and overall just fell flat. LotusFlower, on the other hand, has a thematic and sonic cohesion that is just lovely to experience. And Elixer is surprisingly solid. Perfect for driving or working or a blissful zoning out.

[Edited 11/9/23 12:55pm]

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Reply #14 posted 11/09/23 9:48pm

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I prefer Lotusflow3r and it's a much stronger album but I enjoy MPLSound.
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Reply #15 posted 11/10/23 8:37am

jimino1

I love Lotusflow3r, MPLSound has a bit too much filler imho..but I think Elixer is a very underrated album...if I were to have to drop one of them it'd be MPLSound...it just sounds a bit too contrived and kinda repeats a lot of what P had done before but just doesn't have the 'x' factor that his earlier work has... there are gems on all of them...
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Reply #16 posted 11/10/23 11:00am

happyshopper

WhisperingDandelions said:

The best album in the 2009 Triple-LP set he released will always and forever be:

Elixer


"Everytime" alone is better than the other two LPs combo.

.

Just realised I've NEVER listened to this album! biggrin

Catching up with it now... and I think you might be right. Each song is pretty solid!!

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Reply #17 posted 11/10/23 11:28am

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i prob need to revisit these, but from memory, i did like crimson and clover, 77 beverly park, no more candy 4 u and here.

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Reply #18 posted 11/10/23 12:19pm

RJOrion

"Here" is a MASTERPIECE
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Reply #19 posted 11/10/23 12:22pm

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^^^a man of taste.

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Reply #20 posted 11/10/23 12:59pm

WhisperingDand
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happyshopper said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

The best album in the 2009 Triple-LP set he released will always and forever be:

Elixer


"Everytime" alone is better than the other two LPs combo.

.

Just realised I've NEVER listened to this album! biggrin

Catching up with it now... and I think you might be right. Each song is pretty solid!!

I ignored it for years myself.

A lot of the Prince stuff I'm super passionate about is because I let it collect dust or go unexplored for far too long.

Elixir
gets better each spin, too.

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Reply #21 posted 11/10/23 2:47pm

dodger07

WhisperingDandelions said:

happyshopper said:

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Just realised I've NEVER listened to this album! biggrin

Catching up with it now... and I think you might be right. Each song is pretty solid!!

I ignored it for years myself.

A lot of the Prince stuff I'm super passionate about is because I let it collect dust or go unexplored for far too long.

Elixir
gets better each spin, too.

Same for me. Got into it recently. Nice little album with some clever songwriting, like the Kim Basinger reference in Here I Come.

Something U Already Know the highlight for me

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Reply #22 posted 11/10/23 7:45pm

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I think MPLSound is possibly the worst album of his. Not one really good offering. Lotusflow3r is mostly solid, and nothing on there I can think of as unlistenable.

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Reply #23 posted 11/11/23 12:56am

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FunkJam said:

I think MPLSound is possibly the worst album of his. Not one really good offering. Lotusflow3r is mostly solid, and nothing on there I can think of as unlistenable.

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- Agree. I dont even consider MPLSound an album. I see it like a bonus. Wasnt Prince that said that he was only messing around with Pro Tools or something like that?

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Lotus Flow3r is such an underrated album. Prince was great as a producer and guitar player there. And some real good songs too.

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Reply #24 posted 11/12/23 6:05pm

SolaceAHA

Yeah there isn't much on MPLS for me to go back too, I rarely gave it any attention back then, I felt and always felt Lotus was better and Prince is better overall playing guitar driven songs, I just feel this was where he was strongest, by this time I was growing tired of his slow jams too, meaning songs like Insatiable in that vein not prince slow songs like a "The love we make" there's a huge difference, I feel Prince always felt he had to have that slow jam on every record and most of the time in later days it rarely worked in the flow of the records

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Reply #25 posted 11/12/23 7:39pm

IanRG

In general, I think Lotusflow3r is the better album, but I think Ol' Skool Company is the song of the triptych.

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Reply #26 posted 11/18/23 8:21pm

26ten

SolaceAHA said:

Yeah there isn't much on MPLS for me to go back too, I rarely gave it any attention back then, I felt and always felt Lotus was better and Prince is better overall playing guitar driven songs, I just feel this was where he was strongest, by this time I was growing tired of his slow jams too, meaning songs like Insatiable in that vein not prince slow songs like a "The love we make" there's a huge difference, I feel Prince always felt he had to have that slow jam on every record and most of the time in later days it rarely worked in the flow of the records



Do you differentiate between a slow jam and a ballad?

I may be drawing a blank but are there any slow jams on MPLSound? I wouldn't consider U're Gonna See Me as a slow jam.
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Reply #27 posted 11/19/23 8:13am

TrivialPursuit

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IanRG said:

In general, I think Lotusflow3r is the better album, but I think Ol' Skool Company is the song of the triptych.


I dread these albums, but maybe I'll revisit enough to compile my hybrid.

Someone owes me for this one. lol

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #28 posted 11/19/23 10:58pm

26ten

TrivialPursuit said:



IanRG said:


In general, I think Lotusflow3r is the better album, but I think Ol' Skool Company is the song of the triptych.




I dread these albums, but maybe I'll revisit enough to compile my hybrid.

Someone owes me for this one. lol



As the OP I sincerely apologize haha

For the record when I listened to them years later I was actually surprised that I didn't dislike them the way I had originally (especially MPLSound, which I consider to be the stronger album). In 2009 that opinion on my end would have been unthinkable.
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Reply #29 posted 11/20/23 3:00am

SolaceAHA

26ten said:

SolaceAHA said:

Yeah there isn't much on MPLS for me to go back too, I rarely gave it any attention back then, I felt and always felt Lotus was better and Prince is better overall playing guitar driven songs, I just feel this was where he was strongest, by this time I was growing tired of his slow jams too, meaning songs like Insatiable in that vein not prince slow songs like a "The love we make" there's a huge difference, I feel Prince always felt he had to have that slow jam on every record and most of the time in later days it rarely worked in the flow of the records

Do you differentiate between a slow jam and a ballad? I may be drawing a blank but are there any slow jams on MPLSound? I wouldn't consider U're Gonna See Me as a slow jam.


not necessarily the satisfied type slow jam, but the slowish mid tempo numbers on this record I feel were very plastic sounding and coming one after another I think was part of the reason this record is pretty forgettable, to go from Ure gonna C me (one nite alone version is light years better) Valentina is a little annoying Better with Time sounds like the very plastic throwaways from emancipation days, and Here is just again boring.

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