MIRvmn1 said:

I like both albums So Far, So Pleased is the best song on Un2. Hot Wit U (Nasty Girl Remix) is a really cool track on In2 and better than the Un2 version.
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IanRG said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Again, a good hybrid of the two would make a solid disk.

??

One is a remix album of the other with only one different track - Beautiful Strange. This song is the reason I prefer In2.

It's a remix album with - wait for it - remixes. Some work, some don't. Some are songs with just tag endings. It's about going thru and finding the best stuff, and trimming the fat (which is minor here actually), and making an even stronger disk.

TrivialPursuit said:

IanRG said:

??

One is a remix album of the other with only one different track - Beautiful Strange. This song is the reason I prefer In2.

It's a remix album with - wait for it - remixes. Some work, some don't. Some are songs with just tag endings. It's about going thru and finding the best stuff, and trimming the fat (which is minor here actually), and making an even stronger disk.

Exactly - Just remixes of the same songs, a point you seem to have missed.

All you are doing is choosing which of the two mixes you prefer. You could do this with every album where two or more mixes of a song were officially released - and this is most Prince albums.

As you now say, the original album's songs were not in need of having anything but a minor fat trimming and both were already strong disks that would only be made even stronger. Hence, neither Un2 nor In2 were so bad that they were need of a good hybridisation to make unsolid disks into a solid disk.

IanRG said:

Exactly - Just remixes of the same songs, a point you seem to have missed.

All you are doing is choosing which of the two mixes you prefer. You could do this with every album where two or more mixes of a song were officially released - and this is most Prince albums.

As you now say, the original album's songs were not in need of having anything but a minor fat trimming and both were already strong disks that would only be made even stronger. Hence, neither Un2 nor In2 were so bad that they were need of a good hybridisation to make unsolid disks into a solid disk.

B-b-b-b-but Clive Davis.

Title track is magnificent. Insane vocal performance, and one of his most interesting. Great lead melody too.

Greatest Romance is great, and So Far, So Pleased is another standout and could have been a cool lead single.

Rave In2 is mostly inferior, but the mastering is far superior.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

They chose the wrong lead single for this. Should have been so far so pleased. And the neptunes should have been allowed to produce/coproduce actual album tracks, not just a remix. Or had their version be the main one. Prince could have had his version on the maxi single. Timbaland should have co produced something too. Beck also, and questlove/dangelo or stewart matthewman.

wow

you really do hate Prince.

I was very diappointed with this one when it came out. It was so plastic and lifeless. The obvious attempt at a hit record missed wildly. But like so many Prince albums its grown on me. There are a few very good tracks here (Strange but True and Eye Love U But Don't Trust U are classics imo). My playlist has always been a mix of Un2/In2. He was definitely at a crossroads here...I remember TRC being a breath of fresh air as it sounded so much more organic and original.

IanRG said:

Exactly - Just remixes of the same songs, a point you seem to have missed.

So aggressive for no reason. You're not new here, so....

TrivialPursuit said:

IanRG said:

Exactly - Just remixes of the same songs, a point you seem to have missed.

So aggressive for no reason. You're not new here, so....

If you feel that merely correcting you is aggressive, then this is not the problem of the person pointing out the obvious:

Blending an album with its remixes is simply not the same as creating a hybrid album from the best of LotusFlow3r and MPLSound.

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Mackopolis44 said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

IanRG said:

Exactly - Just remixes of the same songs, a point you seem to have missed.

All you are doing is choosing which of the two mixes you prefer. You could do this with every album where two or more mixes of a song were officially released - and this is most Prince albums.

As you now say, the original album's songs were not in need of having anything but a minor fat trimming and both were already strong disks that would only be made even stronger. Hence, neither Un2 nor In2 were so bad that they were need of a good hybridisation to make unsolid disks into a solid disk.

B-b-b-b-but Clive Davis.

... was just a record company exec who was not able to convince Prince to rework Rave Un2 for its initial release.

IanRG said:

TrivialPursuit said:

So aggressive for no reason. You're not new here, so....

If you feel that merely correcting you is aggressive, then this is not the problem of the person pointing out the obvious:

Blending an album with its remixes is simply not the same as creating a hybrid album from the best of LotusFlow3r and MPLSound.

I get that you like to argue for the sake of it. (I know at least 2 folks that have left the Org and namechecked you for that reason.)

BUT, I am just not into that, so here ya go. Ya ready? You're right.

Enjoy.

26ten said:

In my opinion the two Rave albums are his most underrated - and I find them to be hugely superior to what public perception grants them. Anyone have any strong opinions about these records, for better or worse? Would love to discuss them with you all.

So, for my hybrid list. Versions are Un2, unless otherwise noted.

1. Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic
2. Undisputed
3. The Greatest Romance Ever Sold (Radio Edit)
4. Hot With U
5. Tangerine (In2)
6. So Far, So Pleased
7. Everyday Is A Winding Road ("everyday" chant edited out)
8. Man 'O' War (with string segue tacked to the beginning)
9. Baby Knows (original, but with In2 tag ending)
10. Love U, But Don't Trust U Anymore (In2)
11. Beautiful Strange
12. Silly Game
13. Strange But True
14. Wherever U Go, Whatever U Do
15. Prettyman (In2)

Minimal changes, but it's the best of both albums, whether it's just a slightly longer version, or an edit, or a mix of the two. It's been a minute since I've listened to "Man 'O' War" remix, but I think the album would be better here.

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TrivialPursuit said:

IanRG said:

If you feel that merely correcting you is aggressive, then this is not the problem of the person pointing out the obvious:

Blending an album with its remixes is simply not the same as creating a hybrid album from the best of LotusFlow3r and MPLSound.

I get that you like to argue for the sake of it. (I know at least 2 folks that have left the Org and namechecked you for that reason.)

BUT, I am just not into that, so here ya go. Ya ready? You're right.

Enjoy.

And I know people that you encouraged, supported, worked with and defended who were required to be removed from this site for cyberbullying beause they had actually chased away far more than a claimed two people.

Again, this is not an argument by me: All I did was dare to disagree with you by pointing out the obvious: choosing between mixes but keeping the song list virtually unchanged is simply not the same as rejecting an album's worth of separate songs to combine two albums into one.

IanRG said:

And I know people that you encouraged, supported, worked with and defended who were required to be removed from this site for cyberbullying beause they had actually chased away far more than a claimed two people.

Again, this is not an argument by me: All I did was dare to disagree with you by pointing out the obvious: choosing between mixes but keeping the song list virtually unchanged is simply not the same as rejecting an album's worth of separate songs to combine two albums into one.

You can disagree man. I don't mind. But go after the idea, not me. That's the difference. I don't mind debating music, but the personal attacks (and God knows I'm guilty of it in the past) are pointless.

That's all.

Let's move forward. Look at my hybrid list and tell me what you think. Because I was telling another Orger offline that I may very well compile that (and do the couple of edits with "Baby Knows" and "Man O War" and see what I think. It's been a coon's age since I've really listened to any of it. I feel like I wanna circle back to it.

TrivialPursuit said:

IanRG said:

If you feel that merely correcting you is aggressive, then this is not the problem of the person pointing out the obvious:

Blending an album with its remixes is simply not the same as creating a hybrid album from the best of LotusFlow3r and MPLSound.

I get that you like to argue for the sake of it. (I know at least 2 folks that have left the Org and namechecked you for that reason.)

BUT, I am just not into that, so here ya go. Ya ready? You're right.

Enjoy.

Off-topic yet again, are we? tsk tsk. Here's a link to the "general discussion" section of the website, you can ply your meme macrame amongst the foosball junkies. Foosball fans just can't get enough of that sweet sweet stop'n'go.

But at least IanRG is hulking up in the name of an unfairly maligned and underappreciated deep, dark crevice of the Prince canon. The org is just pissy they can't Tony M. edit their way out of this one [edit: spoke too soon]

Once again IanRG does not follow trends they just follow he.

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TrivialPursuit said:

the personal attacks (and God knows I'm guilty of it in the past) are pointless.

lol "in the past", like two posts ago... I get it, you were a completely different guy all the way back at 4:40pm...

Let's steer this ship back on course, shall we?

"Undisputed" video concepts: I'd like Prince in full boxing gear surfing the web in a boxing ring. He pulls up org and reddit and sees everyone saying he follows trends and then hits the monitors with a swift right hook. Starts ripping up articles trashing his 90s work. Chuck D is cast as his corner man rubbing P's shoulders and hitting him with the plastic hydration jug.

During the "NPG get rowdy" section one of his backing dancers holds up a milk carton with Tony M.'s picture that says "MISSING: Have you seen this man?"

More monitors appear in the ring, Prince pulls up a web post mocking his "plastic" production so he snatches the plastic water bottle from Chuck D and tears it in half like Superman. He smashes more computer monitors with fanboy critiques. Chuck D backs out of the ring cause he don't want none. Then Prince goes HAM on a car spray-painted with Prince disses like that MJ video where he went full anti semite.

P spits out his mouth guard and does his "Black Sweat" gif pose in disagreement. He rips up a picture up ?uestlove and says "Fight the real enemy."

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TrivialPursuit said:

IanRG said:

And I know people that you encouraged, supported, worked with and defended who were required to be removed from this site for cyberbullying beause they had actually chased away far more than a claimed two people.

Again, this is not an argument by me: All I did was dare to disagree with you by pointing out the obvious: choosing between mixes but keeping the song list virtually unchanged is simply not the same as rejecting an album's worth of separate songs to combine two albums into one.

You can disagree man. I don't mind. But go after the idea, not me. That's the difference. I don't mind debating music, but the personal attacks (and God knows I'm guilty of it in the past) are pointless.

That's all.

Let's move forward. Look at my hybrid list and tell me what you think. Because I was telling another Orger offline that I may very well compile that (and do the couple of edits with "Baby Knows" and "Man O War" and see what I think. It's been a coon's age since I've really listened to any of it. I feel like I wanna circle back to it.

Please note that it was you who edited out the musical debate comments I made in #33 to make it personal against me rather than debating the music. All because I had the temerity to disagree with you.

To move forward:

As I said, I generally prefer the In2 because it has Beatiful Strange.

By the tracks:

Rave - In2
Undisputed - Un2
Greatest: In2
Hot: In2
Tangerine: In2
Man: Un2
Baby: In2
Beautiful Strange: only on In2
Pretty Man: In2
The rest are not different enough for a preference.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

nayroo2002 said:

Doozer said:

I agree a mix of both albums could make for a solid 12 tracks from start to finish. But under no circumstances should his version of Every Day is a Winding Road be one of the 12. It is unlistenable to me. A rare garbage track that somehow found its way onto an album.

There are 16 tracks between the 2 releases:

3 are only on 1 release: Beautiful Strange, Everyday is a Winding Road and Strange But True.

5 have two different mixes: Rave, Undisputed, Greatest Romance, Hot Wit U and Man 'O' War.

The remaining 8 are the just the same mix with 4 of these also being same length.

Hence my comment that it is not like melding 2 separate albums into 1.

To bring it down to 12 songs, you only need to eliminate 4. For 11 of the 16 it is just a choice of include or not and for 4 of these 11, which length. For the 5 with different mixes, there is the additional choice of which mix, and, uniquely, for Man 'O' War whether you include the instrumental introduction.

Originally In2 was only going to be a special edition of Un2 with remixes plus rumoured outtakes like Ain't Gonna Run, R U Ready?, This is Your Life, and U're Still the One. This was initially scheduled to come out only months after Un2 but was cutdown and delayed until April 2001.

IanRG said:

As I said, I generally prefer the In2 because it has Beatiful Strange.

By the tracks:

Rave - In2
Undisputed - Un2
Greatest: In2
Hot: In2
Tangerine: In2
Man: Un2
Baby: In2
Beautiful Strange: only on In2
Pretty Man: In2
The rest are not different enough for a preference.

And see - I can't stand the remixes of the first two tracks. The original-ness of "Rave" feels better, purer.

But I get how the remix lends to the then-current sound. The remix of "Undisputed" is just Prince being dicky. I'm honestly not sure if there is a good mix, anywhere ever, of TGRES.

The one thing that bugs me about "Rave" is the falsetto. His regular voice would've sounded better.

FrankieCoco1 said:

Mackopolis44 said:

I do like most of the songs, but the title being called out at the start of every song gets a bit old very quickly.

LOSTPASSWORDMAN said:

I do like most of the songs, but the title being called out at the start of every song gets a bit old very quickly.

"Every song" sounds a bit much, tho.

I never thought about that, but there are some "announcements" in there.

Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic

The Greatest Romance Ever Sold

Hot Wit U

Everyday Is A Winding Road

Those are the four I count. Granted, three of those are pretty early in the album.

I'm not counting "Baby Knows" because it's further into the song.

I really need to circle back to this album soon.