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lurker316 said:
"Everyone" says that? I've literally heard no one but you suggest that. Come on, now. You’ve either not been on the org very long (that isn’t a cue for you to correct me, by the way) or you’ve somehow missed the bimonthly threads on the subject (once again, this isn’t a cue for you to correct me on thread-frequency either). It’s said so often that it’s almost trite to mention, which is why I added that in the first place. Of course it’s a generalisation. Saying that, I’ll clarify: one of his best 90s albums, not albums overall. [Edited 11/6/23 14:01pm] Hundalasiliah! | |
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i dont think the drum programming on emancipation is dated actually. it doesnt sound like a lot of the timbaland copyists at the time in rnb. and it doesnt sound like rnb from the early 90s either. its actually quite individual. the problem for me is that the sounds are actually kind of uninteresting. and also a bit 'dead' or something (ie zero reverb). its all so 'dry' and 'small' and a bit thin/cheap sounding. also just too neat. and not much warmth in there. but some of the patterns are good - like on in this bed eye scream, joint 2 joint, human body, jam of the year (this one has a bit more fatness to it). [Edited 11/6/23 14:29pm] | |
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For some I'm sure and that's just dandy and such. For me it goes:
Not counting Crystal Ball and The Black Album
1. Gold 2. Symbol 3, Chaos 4. Come 5. D&P 6. Emacnipation 7. Grafitti 8. The Vault 9. Rave 10.Truth
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thisisreece said: lurker316 said:
"Everyone" says that? I've literally heard no one but you suggest that. Come on, now. You’ve either not been on the org very long (that isn’t a cue for you to correct me, by the way) or you’ve somehow missed the bimonthly threads on the subject (once again, this isn’t a cue for you to correct me on thread-frequency either). It’s said so often that it’s almost trite to mention, which is why I added that in the first place. Of course it’s a generalisation. Saying that, I’ll clarify: one of his best 90s albums, not albums overall. [Edited 11/6/23 14:01pm] A generalization need not be entirely true, but it should be *generally* true. That’s why it’s called a generalization, after all. Yet, what you wrote is not generally true. Had you written that *you* feel Emancipation could have been one of his best albums, I wouldn’t have thought twice about it. We Prince fans have very diverse opinions, which is a good thing. And many of our opinions are not representative of the larger fan community, which is also a good thing. I know I have some opinions that are in a very small minority. With that in mind, I find it odd when, rather then speaking for oneself, people project their opinions onto fandom. Even then, I can maybe understand when what they're suggesting is, indeed, generally true. But when it's not generally true, what's the point? Oh well. I guess I am being nit-picky and cranky. Forgive me. [Edited 11/6/23 17:25pm] | |
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Id wager that most ppls favourite prince songs do not involve live drums. ![]() | |
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My list runs -Exodus -The Gold Experience -The Truth - -Diamonds and Pearls -Emancipation
It is interesting reading what everyone thinks and really bolsters the case IMHO for an in depth treatment of every album, but I`m just unashamadly greedy and want them to release every note. [Edited 11/7/23 0:50am] | |
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Emancipation doesnt need a sde obviously. Its an album that has a sde built in Its weird, this thread made me go back to it, but that fastidious meticulousness its got about it always hampers it slightly. | |
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lurker316 said: thisisreece said: Come on, now. You’ve either not been on the org very long (that isn’t a cue for you to correct me, by the way) or you’ve somehow missed the bimonthly threads on the subject (once again, this isn’t a cue for you to correct me on thread-frequency either). It’s said so often that it’s almost trite to mention, which is why I added that in the first place. Of course it’s a generalisation. Saying that, I’ll clarify: one of his best 90s albums, not albums overall. [Edited 11/6/23 14:01pm] A generalization need not be entirely true, but it should be *generally* true. That’s why it’s called a generalization, after all. Yet, what you wrote is not generally true. Had you written that *you* feel Emancipation could have been one of his best albums, I wouldn’t have thought twice about it. We Prince fans have very diverse opinions, which is a good thing. And many of our opinions are not representative of the larger fan community, which is also a good thing. I know I have some opinions that are in a very small minority. With that in mind, I find it odd when, rather then speaking for oneself, people project their opinions onto fandom. Even then, I can maybe understand when what they're suggesting is, indeed, generally true. But when it's not generally true, what's the point? Oh well. I guess I am being nit-picky and cranky. Forgive me. [Edited 11/6/23 17:25pm] Forgiven. Hundalasiliah! | |
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The Undertaker to me is his best of the 90s | |
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JorisE73 said: The Undertaker to me is his best of the 90s Agreed. No weak spots. Nothing dated about it. No sound effects thank goodness. Would love a vinyl release one day. Or just any kind of proper release. | |
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SoulAlive said: TGE is the Purple Rain of the 90s Absolutely not | |
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SpookyPurple said: JorisE73 said: The Undertaker to me is his best of the 90s Agreed. No weak spots. Nothing dated about it. No sound effects thank goodness. Would love a vinyl release one day. Or just any kind of proper release. Yes, yes, and yes. Hundalasiliah! | |
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Isn't that every Prince album? "Whatever skin we're in
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While I love The Gold Experience, I think the main difference between it and Purple Rain is that Purple Rain actually sounded cool and fresh back then and even today, whereas, for the most part, The Gold Experience did not sound fresh or cool back then or today. Just my opinion. | |
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it doesnt matter whether it follows the apparent PR blueprint or not. PR was carefully writted, crafted, edited so it didnt waste a second. TGE, except for the title song and TMBGITW, was not nearly as focused. ultimately, it just doesnt have as many great songs. pretty much every PR song is a prince classic. no one is going to be singing p control decades from now like they will lets go crazy. shhh will not become a classic ballad like the beautiful ones. TGE has no career-defining single like when doves cry (yes theres TMBGITW but i mean, great as it is, that was prince going MOR). TGE is a fan favourite, and thats cool, but it wont really become much more than that, no matter how much fans believe it to be the best thing he did in the 90s. much of that ranking is due to the story around it. its got a whole mythology to boost it.
albums that made 95 a great year - radiohead's the bends, trickys maxinquaye, mobb deep's the infamous, bjork's post, raekwons only built for cuban linx. ill love prince forever but he didnt release a better album than those in 95.
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The problem was the drum programming not only didn't sound like the current programming of the time but it didn't sound new or ahead of its time either. It sounded stale and simplistic. In fact that and Prince trying to appropriate current slang kind of hit me the wrong way. Ultimately, his forays into hip hop/rap failed on two fronts. Those of us who love and grew up with hip hop cringe at some of those elements in Prince's music because they were noticeably inauthentic. Those who didn't know or like hip hop to begin with certainly wouldn't be on board with Prince's attempts to incorporate it. | |
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Now I'll have to disagree haha. You rightfully mentioned all the crap that came out in 1995 but if you were an alt rock/grunge fan, my god, there was so much great stuff that remains classic. And stuff that simply relied on guitars, drum and bass - instruments that had been around for decades. It's not the tech that made PR sound fresh - or the tech that makes something new sound fresh today - it's the production, music, lyrics and overall vibe in conjunction with the times. It's not edge that I'm talking about, I'm just talking about music that feels current and "cool" however one can quantify that. At least when I was in a large high school during mid to late 90s, absolutely no one listened to P except me. He remained a massive public icon but musically, his time as a trendsetter had passed. I still loved the music but recognized it wasn't "cool" whereas so much of P's earlier output still sounds cool today.
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TrivialPursuit said:
I totally agree.TGE is a very powerful album.Prince had alot to say.I find it to be a really inspired album.The only reason it wasn’t a massive success is because of the unfortunate circumstances surrounding it (the war with Warners). | |
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lol....not even close. Graycap23 was ME! | |
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prince never really used much slang in his music during his first decade or so (i mean, there were a few occasions, but by and large, no). so hearing him suddenly trying to adopt slang, or say things like 'come and get your cum on' (lol) on one kiss at a time, sounded a little bit funny/silly (maybe theres female fans who thought this was sexy, idk). | |
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That line always worked for me. As did every aspect of that song. | |
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Not including Crystal Ball or Graffiti Bridge:
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phunkymunky said: Not including Crystal Ball or Graffiti Bridge:
Why not Graffiti Bridge? It's not a comp or anything, and it is from 1990. Also Rave IMO is by far the most Prince sounding of his 90s albums. It's far superior for me than say, C+D, Exodus, D+P. Honestly I'm gonna go out on a limb on this a little - but I feel like most Prince fans have a block on this album and aren't hearing it right. I know I definitely did until a few years ago. Then I listened to it on a whim and basically the strength of the album relative to the work that surrounded it sort of blew my mind haha | |
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