WhisperingDandelions said:
It's the geetar, bro. Chaos and disorder has more no frills geetar bang for your buck ![]() [Edited 11/4/23 23:58pm] | |
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Symbol Graffiti Bridge Diamonds And Pearls The Gold Experience Come Emancipation Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic Chaos and Disorder The Vault...Old Friends 4 Sale The Truth I thoroughly enjoy all of them. Something BIG Is Coming. | |
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Yes. It's my 2nd fav Prince album, after Purple Rain. Jughead and Push are the least of the offerings here, but I still find them listenable enough. The hate for Tony M's rapping has always baffled me. Who cares if it sounds "cheesy" at some points? Never fails to fit the mood. Willing and Able is a top 5 P track. "Man, the living creature, the creating individual, is always more important than any established style or system" - Bruce Lee | |
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1. Gold Experience
2. Love Symbol 3. The Truth 4. Exodus 5. Graffiti Bridge 6. Come 7. Chaos + Disorder 7. Diamonds+Pearls 8. Emancipation 9. Rave 10. NPS [Edited 11/6/23 23:14pm] | |
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1. Love Symbol 2. Diamnds & Pearls 3. Emancipation 4. Come 5. Graffiti Bridge 6. Rave Unto 7. The Gold Experience 8. The Truth 9. Coaster & Disorder | |
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The Gold Experience could have been the great album of the '90s, but too much time passed between it being fresh in his mind and its release.He removed Days Of Wild for the wrong reasons, added unnecessary overdubs like frequently doubling his guitar with synth.
But what bothers me most is the mix/mastering. Michael B's power is no longer present, it lacks depth and warmth. For example, the track Shhh is completely stripped of its substance because of this (the 13/02/94 version is the definitive version for me). In short, there are gems inside, but I expected a lot from it at the time and never managed to love it properly. I hope a deluxe version will correct this a little... "You can skate around the issue if you like,
But who's gonna get you high in the middle of the night?" | |
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9. (tie) Chaos & Disorder 9. (tie) The Vault... Old Friends for Sale | |
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hmm i agree generally. i dont think days of wild would have helped it though. that would have dated it even more. but yeah, something about a lot of it sounds both a bit too produced as well as a bit underwritten. its an album i think if you made a playlist of live versions of the songs, it would be better, as they were honed live, and kinda sound better in that context, where its all about the moment, is fresher. its weird cos for years i used to think this album was amazing, but then something years later changed it for me, and now i just find something about it underwhelming. [Edited 11/5/23 8:51am] | |
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TGE is the Purple Rain of the 90s | |
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and look at all the great tunes that didn’t appear on the album: “Days Of Wild” (a fan favorite), “Ripopgodazippa”,”Acknowledge Me”,”Hide The Bone”,”Interactive”,hell even “Love Sign” could have been on it.Despite his issues with WB at the time,this was an incredibly productive and inspired period for Prince. | |
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SoulAlive said: and look at all the great tunes that didn’t appear on the album: “Days Of Wild” (a fan favorite), “Ripopgodazippa”,”Acknowledge Me”,”Hide The Bone”,”Interactive”,hell even “Love Sign” could have been on it.Despite his issues with WB at the time,this was an incredibly productive and inspired period for Prince. I like Interactive, but I understand why he didn’t include it. It’s too much like Endorphin Machine. Personally, I wouldn’t have objected to both being in it, but I can understand the perspective of trying to have more diversity on the album. I’ve grown to love Love Sign and wish it was on it. And I may be in the minority, but I like the studio version of Days of Wild. | |
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Sales-wise, yes. | |
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Prior to this SDE coming out, I always liked istening to D&P in-progress tracks because it lacked a little bit of the sheen that the final album had. I would say it was a patchy album with some high moments: Cream, Willing and Able, D&P, Insatiable, and some real low moments as everyonethe knows.
But that said, I was never a big fan of the
Come is excellent btw. Probably his best 90s album IMO. | |
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1. The Undertaker (if this can be counted) 2. Symbol (Outstanding production/musicianship, somehow everything I don’t like about D&P works here. Plus his two best songs of the 90s: Love 2 the 9s/And God Created Woman) 3. The Truth 4. Come 5. Exodus (Technically NPG, but its strengths are too strong not to include. Love Count the Days and funk epics Return of the Bump Squad/Exodus has Begun) 5. The Gold Experience (it’s over-baked, hits as much as it misses, but Shy/Dolphin/Eye Hate U more than make up for it. I’m a fan of Prince rocking out, but the rock here is a bit formulaic and Gold is horrendous) 6. Emancipation (as everyone says, different production and 1 Disc, this would have been up there as one of his best) 7.Chaos & Disorder 8. Vault: Old Friends for Sale 9.D&P 10. Rave 11. NPS Too much 80s to include Crystal Ball (though the 90s rock tracks on disc 2 are brilliant). The War is probably my favourite thing Prince did in the 90s. Hundalasiliah! | |
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Everyone is going to rank Prince's 90's albums differently according to what their individual preferences are. "Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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1. The Truth 2. Love Symbol 5. NPS 7. Diamonds+Pearls 9. Come | |
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It's more diverse/"bigger"/epic. The band has arrangements that actually enhance the band and aren't stuff he could do equally as good by himself in a studio looping over a multitrack. [Edited 11/5/23 16:40pm] | |
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I like rap, just not when Prince or Prince affiliates do it. MNIP though, I find offputting not because of rap but because of the aggression. It's hard hitting for like 6 minutes without much subtelty. Just not what I'm into.
But I hear what you're saying about Jughead being a skip track too. | |
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"Everyone" says that? I've literally heard no one but you suggest that. | |
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Not imo.
My faves:
Gold Experience Exodus Emancipation
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D & P is just average, nothing special. The only album I dislike more is New Power Soul, which is utter garbage. The Gold Experience is his best album from the 90s. Givin' up food for funk. | |
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I feel like D&P is similar to a lot of P's 90's output in that it has some absolute classics that I love (Cream, Gett Off and even the title track) but the rest is mediocre to bad. Same with Love Symbol album for me. Conversely, Come doesn't really have any real standouts but is just a really solid album throughout without any obvious clunkers. Overall, my favs are probably The Undertaker and The Gold Experience (even though the latter has some cheese to spare). | |
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You haven't heard anyone mention that they think the production on Emacipation is junk and that if you put all your favs on one disc it would be really strong? Pretty sure I've read threads here on the org stating just that. Regardless, dude is just making a generalization. Not sure why you're getting worked up about his use of the word "everyone". He just means "lots of people". Which is accurate. | |
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The Truth. "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972) | |
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I must have read a couple of dozen threads about that over the years | |
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i dont think the production is junk, but like a lot of fans think, its a bit too safe, clean, and sterile. but it doesnt totally ruin the album for me (but its a triple so that was always going to be a challenging listen). theres just too many things that would be better as b-sides or given to other artists (a bit like the more generic D&P vault tracks). but if you make a good single album from it, it actually could be the best prince album of the 90s. its also the most typically prince album of the 90s except the truth maybe in that it sounds mostly like one man in the studio, without the live/band sounding style of most of the 90s albums. i know he did that again on rave, but its better than rave.
i dont hate rap. and if im honest, back in 91, i was barely out of single figures and liked mc hammer and vanilla ice (hammer sampled doves cry too), and had no issue with tony m (or carmen electra, or tc ellis lol). i played jughead and my name is prince (and tony showcases like call the law) non stop. but when i got into hip hop (and prince continued to rap or use rappers), i had a rethink on this, haha. [Edited 11/6/23 9:58am] | |
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did he buy his old gear back? i thought he kept it all at paisley park in the basement and brought it back out for the rave album. emancipation was arguably the last time he was still looking ahead and not trying to look back to old prince or old eras. i guess NPS counts too but that album sucks lol. | |
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