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Thread started 10/27/23 2:50am

Tokyo2

Diamonds 💎 & Pearls: Vault tracks best of - 12 track single disc edition!

Ok having listened to this, it’s clearly not as stellar as the 1999 or Sign ☮️ The Times Super Deluxe editions…so have pulled together my favourite tracks from the Vault material. Feel free to debate, agree or disagree. T

1. Something Funky (This House Comes)
2. Schoolyard
3. Pain
4. Streetwalker
5. Insatiable (Early Mix)
6. Open Book
7. Get Blue
8. Skip 2 U My Darling
9. Diamonds & Pearls (Long Version)
10. Daddy Pop (12” Mix)
11. Martika’s Kitchen
12. The Voice
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Reply #1 posted 10/27/23 6:18am

Vannormal

I actually am not all that crazy about this whole SDE release.

But I like it how they organised the order of the tracks on disk 3, 4 and 5.

I've been listening to them in that exact order.

They sound well as albums on their own imho.

Sure, I could skip a track here and there...

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But again, most songs are mediocre when it comes to song craftmanship, the writing quality.

Prince started to write verse-chorus-verse songs, the easiest solution.

Where was his creativity in arrangements and sound?

Now I start to understand how he was influenced by New Jack Swing...

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)
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Reply #2 posted 10/27/23 6:32am

RJOrion

Live 4 Love (Early Version)
My Tender Heart
Get Blue
Insatiable (Early Mix)
Alice Through The Looking Glass
Letter 4 Miles
Hey U
Standing At The Altar
Diamonds & Pearls (Long Version)
Lauriann
Daddy Pop (12" Mix)
Open Book
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Reply #3 posted 10/27/23 6:34am

GustavoRibas

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Tokyo2 said:

Ok having listened to this, it’s clearly not as stellar as the 1999 or Sign ☮️ The Times Super Deluxe editions…so have pulled together my favourite tracks from the Vault material. Feel free to debate, agree or disagree. T 1. Something Funky (This House Comes) 2. Schoolyard 3. Pain 4. Streetwalker 5. Insatiable (Early Mix) 6. Open Book 7. Get Blue 8. Skip 2 U My Darling 9. Diamonds & Pearls (Long Version) 10. Daddy Pop (12” Mix) 11. Martika’s Kitchen 12. The Voice

- If these are the best ones, I am not that excited smile

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I mean, some of them I already know (in bad quality). Honestly, I am not expecting absolutely great stuff there, but I hope there are some moments where the NPG shines. I really love that band.

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Reply #4 posted 10/27/23 8:27am

JoeyCococo

Vannormal said:

I actually am not all that crazy about this whole SDE release.

But I like it how they organised the order of the tracks on disk 3, 4 and 5.

I've been listening to them in that exact order.

They sound well as albums on their own imho.

Sure, I could skip a track here and there...

-

But again, most songs are mediocre when it comes to song craftmanship, the writing quality.

Prince started to write verse-chorus-verse songs, the easiest solution.

Where was his creativity in arrangements and sound?

Now I start to understand how he was influenced by New Jack Swing...

sorry, I am loving a lot of these....

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Reply #5 posted 10/27/23 8:46am

Farfunknugin

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I just wanted the dvd, I already knew this was mid prince and alas can’t afford the boxset, waay too much for this material imo. They really should make the blu ray a stand alone release x10.
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Reply #6 posted 10/27/23 8:59am

claudemorton

Not sure there are 12 tracks on it that I would listen to more than once.

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Reply #7 posted 10/27/23 9:56am

Tokyo2

One thing I should add is that I think the live set that was included is stellar. Really brings a smile to my face. Love the Cream/Well Done/I Want You… medley (a lot).

The Vault tracks just don’t compare to the 1999 or Sign releases…but the released music clearly had a high standard applied to it.

Vault tracks just feel like a really mixed bag.
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Reply #8 posted 10/27/23 10:57am

DotsofU

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Open Book

Spirit

Alice

Pain

and that's all I got

oh and Violet smile

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Reply #9 posted 10/27/23 11:04am

Steelclawz

I agree ... here are my 12 favorites

Alice through the looking glass

Hey U

I pledge Allegiance to your love

My Tender Heart

Pain ( it's longer and awesome )

Skip to my you my darling

Standing at the altar

Street Walker

Tip O my Tongue

Trouble

The Last Dance (bang pow zoom and the whole nine)

open book

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Reply #10 posted 10/27/23 11:35am

happyshopper

Skip 2 My U My Darling - Best vault track in the set IMO!
The Last Dance (I hate Jughead, so this surprises me!)
The Voice
Open Book
Letter 4 Miles
Standing at the Altar
I Pledge Allegiance 2 Your Love
Hey
Alice Through the Looking Glass
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Reply #11 posted 10/27/23 1:49pm

MIRvmn1

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  1. Lauriann

  2. Streetwalker

  3. Darkside

  4. Get Blue

  5. The Last Dance

  6. Alice Through The Looking Glass

  7. Open Book

  8. Something Funky (This House Comes)

  9. Standing At The Altar

  10. My Tender Heart

  11. Insatiable (Early Mix - Full Version)

  12. Blood On The Sheets


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Reply #12 posted 10/27/23 3:42pm

funkbabyandthe
babysitters

actually have no idea really, but in fairness, i need to listen quite a few more times. prince tracks often get better the more you hear them. the first listen is often a bit 'huh'

but so far, my impression is that a lot of the vault tracks are nice, solid, but remarkable? not sure.

would i replace any of the album tracks with the vault tracks? i dont think so.

if anything, what the vault songs made me realise is that for all the complaining about the original album being trend chasing, too poppy, too clean, not adventurous, the vault tracks (except blood on the sheets) dial those things up to 10. at least on the album, all the songs are well constructed, and even if the production is very bright, at least the songs are doing some cool stuff (eg willing and able). the outtakes are quite generic really. yeah, the npg could be shit hot technically, but were they 'interesting', or did they have any quirks? not really. theyre kind of anonymous really, even if theyre tight. or maybe prince changed his target, now he wanted his band to be 100% slick and tight, nothing too odd.

last dance is better than jughead though.

and work that fat is pretty funny.

blood on the sheets is obv an early hint of what theyd do on the undertaker sessions. some great playing on that one.

alice... is good too just cos it sounds rougher and not so perfect like almost everything else.

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Reply #13 posted 10/27/23 6:10pm

MendesCity

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The ballads are the highlight here.

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Reply #14 posted 10/27/23 7:15pm

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MendesCity said:

The ballads are the highlight here.

The ballads are top tier.

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Reply #15 posted 10/27/23 9:12pm

RJOrion

I was sleepin on Lauriann...thats a great song
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Reply #16 posted 10/28/23 9:33am

lion88

my 12 picks from the Vault Tracks:

My Tender Heart

Pain

Streetwalker

Spirit

Open Book

Something Funky (This house comes)

Hold Me

Don't say you love me

Get Blue

The Voice

Trouble

Alice Through the Looking Glass

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Reply #17 posted 10/29/23 8:06am

Landonfunkmonk
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My Tender Heart
Pain
Streetwalker
Lauriann
Open book
Tip O'My Tongue
The Voice
Trouble
Alice Through The Looking Glass
Standing At The Altar
Hey U
I Pledge Allegiance To Your Love
Something BIG Is Coming.
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Reply #18 posted 10/29/23 9:12am

themanfromnept
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As I wrote in the "review", I like this short tracklist as "late '80 standard pop/rnb Mtv album plastic production":

  1. Get Blue
  2. Skip To My You My Darling
  3. Tip 'O My Tongue
  4. Pain
  5. Hey U
  6. The Voice
  7. Trouble
  8. Open Book

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Reply #19 posted 10/29/23 10:25am

SoulAlive

Open Book
Get Blue
Something Funky (This House Comes)
The Last Dance
Work That Fat
Lauriann
Standing At The Altar
Hey U
Letter 4 Miles
Insatiable (early mix)
I Pledge Allegiance To Your Love
My Tender Heart
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Reply #20 posted 10/29/23 11:43am

lurker316

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

would i replace any of the album tracks with the vault tracks? i dont think so.

if anything, what the vault songs made me realise is that for all the complaining about the original album being trend chasing, too poppy, too clean, not adventurous, the vault tracks (except blood on the sheets) dial those things up to 10. at least on the album, all the songs are well constructed, and even if the production is very bright, at least the songs are doing some cool stuff (eg willing and able). the outtakes are quite generic really.



I agree, the outtakes make you appreciate the album tracks more. The songs he selected for the album were definitely superior to the stuff he left in the vault.

Though, to be fair, many of those vault tracks were WIP. Had Prince put some more effort into them with overbuds and remixing, perhaps they would have improved. Then again, he might have made them worse.

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Reply #21 posted 10/29/23 4:11pm

funkbabyandthe
babysitters

im now more certain than ever that D&P is actually the best 90s album he did.

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Reply #22 posted 10/29/23 8:24pm

WhisperingDand
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I find it interesting that generally 50% or more than 50% of everyone's fav. material on this is stuff he gave away and has been available already on official releases for decades.

I just wish people wouldn't sleep on so much of his material. You all clearly like it! There's plenty more where that came from and you don't need to wait for the next SDE to enjoy it.

I also don't really consider that stuff "Vault" material. They're originals. They were never "Vaulted". The majority of Prince fans just willfully chose to ignore that segment of his material for decades until the scratch vocal guide demos were released. In most cases they're literally the same exact songs...

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Reply #23 posted 10/29/23 10:29pm

themanfromnept
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WhisperingDandelions said:

I find it interesting that generally 50% or more than 50% of everyone's fav. material on this is stuff he gave away and has been available already on official releases for decades.

I just wish people wouldn't sleep on so much of his material. You all clearly like it! There's plenty more where that came from and you don't need to wait for the next SDE to enjoy it.

I also don't really consider that stuff "Vault" material. They're originals. They were never "Vaulted". The majority of Prince fans just willfully chose to ignore that segment of his material for decades until the scratch vocal guide demos were released. In most cases they're literally the same exact songs...

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Actually I listen Prince because I like (also) the Prince voice.

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Reply #24 posted 10/29/23 11:05pm

funkbabyandthe
babysitters

Theyre not unreleased songs, strictly speaking, but his demos are still unreleased versions. So id say they still count, even if it means we get less new unreleased songs. But originals was poorly executed so im fine with these tracks being on sdes.
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Reply #25 posted 10/30/23 12:42am

Vannormal

JoeyCococo said:

Vannormal said:

I actually am not all that crazy about this whole SDE release.

But I like it how they organised the order of the tracks on disk 3, 4 and 5.

I've been listening to them in that exact order.

They sound well as albums on their own imho.

Sure, I could skip a track here and there..

But again, most songs are mediocre when it comes to song craftmanship, the writing quality.

Prince started to write verse-chorus-verse songs, the easiest solution.

Where was his creativity in arrangements and sound?

Now I start to understand how he was influenced by New Jack Swing...

sorry, I am loving a lot of these....

Most people are just freshly happy there is new stuff after such a long time.

We'll see how much listens this set will get in a few weeks of time.

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)
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Reply #26 posted 10/30/23 2:12pm

funkbabyandthe
babysitters

it has taken a while to get used to prince sounding well, so NORMAL. but hey, if i had to make an album from these tracks, id pick these (id prob think of a few more, but im still finding time to work through them all):

my tender heart

streetwalker

lauriann

skip 2 u my darling

open book

dont say u love me

alice thru the looking glass

hey u

i pledge allegiance...

Pain

Blood on the sheets

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Reply #27 posted 10/30/23 11:37pm

FunkyStrange

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Easy

01 - Something Funky This House Comes

02 - Hey U

03 - Open Book

04 - Spirit

05 - Don't Say U Love Me

06 - Martikas Kitchen

07 - Tip O My Tongue

08 - Glam Slam 91

09 - Schoolyard

10 - Work That Fat

11 - Standing At The Altar

12 - The Last Dance (Bang Pow Zoom and the Whole Nine)

If I can add 2 more as B-sides

Streetwalker & Skip to My You My Darling

Hard to believe I've been on the org for over 25 years now!
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Reply #28 posted 10/31/23 3:07am

dodger07

FunkyStrange said:

Easy

01 - Something Funky This House Comes

02 - Hey U

03 - Open Book

04 - Spirit

05 - Don't Say U Love Me

06 - Martikas Kitchen

07 - Tip O My Tongue

08 - Glam Slam 91

09 - Schoolyard

10 - Work That Fat

11 - Standing At The Altar

12 - The Last Dance (Bang Pow Zoom and the Whole Nine)

If I can add 2 more as B-sides

Streetwalker & Skip to My You My Darling

This would be mine, except 8 and 9. I'd replace them with Lauriann and Get Blue

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Reply #29 posted 10/31/23 7:29am

happyshopper

I made my own version of Diamonds & Pearls which I’m particularly enjoying! biggrin
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1. Diamonds & Pearls
2. Cream
3. Alice Through the Looking Glass
4. Strollin’
5. Willing & Able
6. Gett Off (Damn Near 10 minutes)
7. Walk Don’t Walk
8. The Last Dance
9. Money Don’t Matter Tonight
10. Skip 2 My U My Darling
11. I Pledge Allegiance 2 Your Love
12. Something Funky This House Comes
13. Blood on the Sheets
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