Vannormal said:

JoeyCococo said:

Do what you have to but, I don't get fans that still follow and listen to everything but won't buy. If this estate does not see $ from the releases, there will no longer be any releases. I actually buy multiples and gift them just to support all of this.

I see it simply as, this one man gave me so much pleasure over the last decades...it's almost like payback to support now. It's all a wash. Had he lived, toured, I'd have been many hundreds out due to ticket prices. To buy a $200 set...not an issue.

IMO.

Why should I support an organisation that has nothing to do with Prince? With music?

They are the living proof for not being able to manage his legacy, over and over again.

Prince left us with an incredible and amazing back catalogue.

Not many artist ever released so much in their lifetime.

Now there even is more video material to discover via youtube alone, then when he was still with us.

(We have the boots also, and Prince always knew they were out there. He only started to really fight bootleggers when he realised his lifestyle being too expensive. Why else did he lived alone in PP you think? And ended up with talentscouting a background band like 3rdEyeGirl, who live were his worst bnad so far...)

not arguing but, my response is as follows...

I did not say anyone should buy multiple sets. I say, if you're a fan (as you are), it's good to support these releases. I don't agree that his legacy has been mismanaged. I don't know the details but from what I have seen with my eyes - they have put a lot of care into the SDE sets. The Purple Rain Deluxe was the only one that looked like a total cash grab....and that had little to do with the Estate. You point out that he has a lot of vault material and an amazing catalogue....well one way to ensure we never hear any of it is by not supporting it. You may be better connected and may know stuff I don't but, maybe just hold your nose and buy it just so we assure ourselves we have done all we can to keep the releases coming.

The performance of Sacrifice of Victor alone would have had me buy the whole set. Similary, that performance of Play THat FUnky Music on the W2A set would have been enough. The man proves over and over that he was light years better than anyone else.

JoeyCococo said:

Vannormal said:

IMO.

Why should I support an organisation that has nothing to do with Prince? With music?

They are the living proof for not being able to manage his legacy, over and over again.

Prince left us with an incredible and amazing back catalogue.

Not many artist ever released so much in their lifetime.

Now there even is more video material to discover via youtube alone, then when he was still with us.

(We have the boots also, and Prince always knew they were out there. He only started to really fight bootleggers when he realised his lifestyle being too expensive. Why else did he lived alone in PP you think? And ended up with talentscouting a background band like 3rdEyeGirl, who live were his worst bnad so far...)

not arguing but, my response is as follows...

I did not say anyone should buy multiple sets. I say, if you're a fan (as you are), it's good to support these releases. I don't agree that his legacy has been mismanaged. I don't know the details but from what I have seen with my eyes - they have put a lot of care into the SDE sets. The Purple Rain Deluxe was the only one that looked like a total cash grab....and that had little to do with the Estate. You point out that he has a lot of vault material and an amazing catalogue....well one way to ensure we never hear any of it is by not supporting it. You may be better connected and may know stuff I don't but, maybe just hold your nose and buy it just so we assure ourselves we have done all we can to keep the releases coming.

The performance of Sacrifice of Victor alone would have had me buy the whole set. Similary, that performance of Play THat FUnky Music on the W2A set would have been enough. The man proves over and over that he was light years better than anyone else.

I agree, let's support these releases, also to keep releases coming. I was in doubt if I would buy this set (mainly because of the high price) but look forward to the blu-ray concert and at least some of the set and the book. I do find it a bit annoying that there is no possibility to only buy the concert blu-ray. A special edition set is not something everyone can afford. And I hope they will find a way to get more music out quicker. Instead of a physical release every 1 or 2 year. For example downloads of concerts/aftershows. He recorded almost every concert and 95% will never be released as a physical release. So why keep this in the vault? There is a market for it now.

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fragglerock said:

Shame that Thieves on the Glam Slam gig has none of the guitar jamming we got later in the tour, that was one of the highlights of the whole concert

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That's my only complaint about chosing to release this show. Otherwise I'd be vewry happy with it, as it is a glimpse in a very private show, not a bombastic arena show like the rest of the tour. In general, the show is missing Prince playing guitar, apart from the short sections on Thunder, D&P, Gett Off and Cream, and I'm assuming acoustic guitar on Thieves. Notably, he didn't play Live 4 Love and Purple Rain, which gave him room to solo on the tour.

JoeyCococo said:

My view in selling digital releases…if we had 10 Lovesexy shows, you would conclude that they are mainly all the same. Sure the jamming after Head was sometimes awesome, but much of that show was the same show over and over. He had to do it..so much choreography, lighting etc. he wasn’t Springsteen who did his songs without a broader or more deep performance. He was Prince who put thought into everything did. Springsteen is INCREDIBLE BTW. Tx

I agree about digitally releasing the 10 Lovesexy shows. / multiple shows per tour. But if they will release 1 main show, 1 aftershow and 1 rehearsal per tour. It will have sufficient variety. If they do this for 2 tours per year then we have 10 years of digital releases to look forward to. Instead of 1 live release per box set every 2 year. Prince did do broader and deeper performances as well, mainly the aftershows. Still enjoying the releases we get and supporting them.

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lion88 said:

JoeyCococo said:

My view in selling digital releases…if we had 10 Lovesexy shows, you would conclude that they are mainly all the same. Sure the jamming after Head was sometimes awesome, but much of that show was the same show over and over. He had to do it..so much choreography, lighting etc. he wasn’t Springsteen who did his songs without a broader or more deep performance. He was Prince who put thought into everything did. Springsteen is INCREDIBLE BTW. Tx

I agree about digitally releasing the 10 Lovesexy shows. / multiple shows per tour. But if they will release 1 main show, 1 aftershow and 1 rehearsal per tour. It will have sufficient variety. If they do this for 2 tours per year then we have 10 years of digital releases to look forward to. Instead of 1 live release per box set every 2 year. Prince did do broader and deeper performances as well, mainly the aftershows. Still enjoying the releases we get and supporting them.

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I agree, a tour show, aftershow and something else would be great per set. I actually think a Live Anthology is something they need to do. Much like Springsteen's Live 1975 - 1985 set. He put way too much effort into his live performances for there not to be a set centered around Performance!

Nobody watched this yet?

antonb said:

happyshopper said:

Honestly, I could happily have skipped the rest of the SDE (most of the vault material isn't great after all) and just taken this amazing video performance. More of this type of thing please, this is all I really needed to see, it's just so great and certainly much better than all the big arena footage (London etc) doing the news cycle during the D&P tour. The tight space, the close ups, facial expressions, the vibe, you can see Prince having the time of his life there, and Rosie just over his shoulder reminding us of just how important she was to that era of his work. Plus the Steeles and the horn section, such a big sound. Prince dancing along the Glam Slam bar during Push haha. It's an incredible thing, like the SOTT new years show it really captures the sweaty extended jams of a Prince show. I could watch another 2 hours of just Rosie tbh.

Also, I had forgotten how high some of those jumps off the piano were, bloody hell Prince!

On the downside, the first half of the show is very choreographed and dominated by Tony M working the crowd, with the Game Boyz jumping about and making a racket. It's high energy but yuck. There's also a backing tape being used, or someone triggering samples maybe (e.g. on Thunder, notice there are least two guitar parts, but only Levi actually playing). Actually Levi ends up carrying most of the guitar parts in the show so Prince barely touches his own guitar (and when he does, sometimes it is buried in the mix).

One funny thing I never thought about is why Prince write vocal lines so far below his comfortable vocal range, or didn't ask someone else to sing those parts. Like Daddy Pop ("see my brother talking...") or Diamonds and Pearls ("I could never run away") etc.

rap said:

Is the only way to watch the concert via BluRay, no streaming service of it yet?

There's some kinda x-rated lines from Prince during Cream as well, I was like... woah!

Farfunknugin said:

rap said:

more speculation

Not blocked just delayed

more speculation

just got up to jughead so far. Really great to see prince in full flow in good quality on the screen. Reminds you why you loved this guy in the first place.

fragglerock said:

this show sounds like a crappy super-compressed FM radio rip. who is saying this sounds good?

Anybody else notice they have Glam Slam misspelled on some of the Blu-ray menus? At least on the 'select audio options,' it's listed as 'Gram Slam'

dplatt said:

So I haven't posted on the org for almost 2 years. Wow! Had to drop in to say: This is hands down the greatest overall Prince video concert release thus far.

Sure, I can think of shows that might be better or at least as good performance wise, but are they in THIS video/audio quality? Nope. And I can think of shows that might be better or at least as good quality wise, but do they match THIS performance? Nope. It's the high scores this release gets on BOTH these factors that takes it to the top, IMO.

Prince here is at his physical peak, with (I have to finally concede) his greatest ever band, filmed in a club on 35mm for just shy of 2hrs. My God it's fucking amazing! I don't think I've ever had the experience of watching a concert film and truly feeling like I'm right there in the venue. I had that experience with this. Eye-wateringly good. It brought back a FLOOD of memories of the several aftershow / club shows I was lucky enough to witness. Prince dancing on the bartop during "Push" is such a joyous moment.

I remember in my late teens and early 20s I would always be spamming my friends and family with Prince stuff - like "I know you're not a fan... but you gotta watch this!". I haven't done that for such a long time. But after watching this, I immediately felt the urge to call everyone I know and demand that they watch this - like "if you're only going to ever watch ONE Prince concert video in your lifetime, this is the one!". I literally couldn't sleep the other night after watching this.

Prince. What a goddamn fucking legend. Miss that mofo so much.

Totally agree @toejam.

So friggin great. I actually think... maybe it deserves to be released as a standalone blu-ray and CD set, rather than buried at the back of a very expensive SDE full of filler material. The Glam Slam show is so good, it deserves a bigger audience imho.

MsNia said:

Totally agree @toejam.

So friggin great. I actually think... maybe it deserves to be released as a standalone blu-ray and CD set, rather than buried at the back of a very expensive SDE full of filler material. The Glam Slam show is so good, it deserves a bigger audience imho.

pretty much all his live concerts deserve to be seen by a bigger audience. They are still millions of people in this world who have no clue just how good Prince was live. And what a brilliant band leader he was. Its a crying shame really.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Not seen this yet but its filmed on 35mm? Not video???

Director Scott McCullough made it clear that the show was shot on film, not video.

toejam said:

after watching this, I immediately felt the urge to call everyone I know and demand that they watch this -

Can confirm. I got one of these calls

.

Still haven't watched it yet though lol

toejam said:

highcalonic said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Not seen this yet but its filmed on 35mm? Not video???

Director Scott McCullough made it clear that the show was shot on film, not video.

Were the concerts for the 1999 and SOTT SDEs shot on film or video?