Doozer said:

It's great to hear it, of course, ANY previously unheard Prince recording is exciting for us for various reasons, even the most basic, unfinished demos too.

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My issue is not with the track itself (or the tracks released so far this year), but with the Estate's decisions.
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Are these tracks really the best choices (after such a long period of no releases) to be used as promotional singles? Does the Estate really think that this is the kind of material that would draw the biggest attention of the media and would result in more Prince fans around the world?
Half-baked demos released with technical issues will not generate more Prince fans. Quite the contrary: they will only reassure those (even within the fan community) who assume that "we already have everything" and that "there are not much quality material left in the vault".
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Where are the really great, fully finished but unknown gems? I'm positive that there's plenty of them. Those are the ones that should be used as promo singles – not a 10th (and not very significant) version of 'Cream'! The Estate should surprise fans and the general public alike with such important releases, not bore us with demos of songs we already know. Don't get me wrong, demos are also interesting and important to be released – as part of FULLY comprehensive vault collections, NOT as lead singles!!!
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Kares said:
Are these tracks really the best choices (after such a long period of no releases) to be used as promotional singles? Does the Estate really think that this is the kind of material that would draw the biggest attention of the media and would result in more Prince fans around the world?

It's the exact same M.O. of their entire approach for this SDE only in promotional single form.

Everyone who answers any criticism at the worthiness of Diamonds & Pearls of all Prince albums being chosen as the third SDE because "well, it was his second biggest seller..." shouldn't find it some big mystery why these tracks are being chosen as promo singles.

"Insatiable" alternate version, "Cream" alternate version... Hope you're all set for "Diamonds & Pearls (Long Version)" next. What's surprising is they didn't include an alt of "Gett Off" to continue the saga. What else would they do? well, it was his second biggest seller, and these are alternates to some of his biggest hits...

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tashbootlegs said:

Just fired on too the Org in a long time, some folk will never be satisfied. Peace ✌ and Love 💜 enjoy the funk

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It must've been satisfying to add such an original, never used like ("some folk will never be satisfied"). I never heard that before.
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You know what? Yes, there are folks who are able to add constructive criticism to subjects they deeply care about. And there are folks who happen to be experts in one field or another, so their opinion is important to be heard when things aren't done in the way they supposed to be done.

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And there are those who are happy with anything, even with edited, badly mixed and compressed files, even with half-baked, unfinished demos that damage Prince's reputation, instead of elevating his recognition and legacy. All they can contribute to intelligent discussions is "some folk will never be satisfied". That's really constructive, man, thanks.
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Kares said:

It's great to hear it, of course, ANY previously unheard Prince recording is exciting for us for various reasons, even the most basic, unfinished demos too.

.
My issue is not with the track itself (or the tracks released so far this year), but with the Estate's decisions.
.
Are these tracks really the best choices (after such a long period of no releases) to be used as promotional singles? Does the Estate really think that this is the kind of material that would draw the biggest attention of the media and would result in more Prince fans around the world?
Half-baked demos released with technical issues will not generate more Prince fans. Quite the contrary: they will only reassure those (even within the fan community) who assume that "we already have everything" and that "there are not much quality material left in the vault".
.
Where are the really great, fully finished but unknown gems? I'm positive that there's plenty of them. Those are the ones that should be used as promo singles – not a 10th (and not very significant) version of 'Cream'! The Estate should surprise fans and the general public alike with such important releases, not bore us with demos of songs we already know. Don't get me wrong, demos are also interesting and important to be released – as part of FULLY comprehensive vault collections, NOT as lead singles!!!
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although I too like the stuff they released this far, I have to agree with all of the above

I found "Alice Through The Looking Glass" to be a very odd choice, after having sat with it for
a few weeks now.

It's clearly unfinished and although I enjoy it a lot, it's hardly a worthy promo of D&P 30 Year
anniversary SDE, is it?

If they wanted to attract some attention of the general public and the people who might have
bought the original album yet very few consequent prince releases, you'd think they would
try to wow people with the first track out of the gate, something that reminds people of this
album, even if it's not a track from the actual album itself. But something that has the feel of
it.

I wouldn't have chosen a song that doesn't have the NPG on it to start with, or no Rosie, that
feels a bit weird.

Purely from a promotional/reminding people of this album point of view, I think the original
Gett Off damn near 10 mins promo would have been a fine start. They could have printed a
limited run of it for the celebration and handed that out - instead of diluting the release with
the Vault Series 1 tape, which although nice to have, is a head scratcher.

They could have centered the whole celebration around D&P in a more structured way, having
the actual band there, previewing songs, the band performing some stuff etc.

Everything to kick off the promo for this set. Celebration/GettOff reprint/Full band show, and
then the announcement of the full set, all details included.

I don't even know what I'm trying to say anymore

I just wanted to say that I agreed with Kares

I'll judge what's offered in terms of outtakes when I can actually listen to everything that's included on the set.

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I don't have any strong opinion about what they should or shouldn't release before the end of October.

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I'm surprised by the fact that it sounds more like a rehearsal than a proper studio recording (even a "live in the studio" recording). The sound quality is what it is.

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Overall, it's nice to have this. I've never been a fan of "Cream", so I didn't expect to be impressed.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

The long or alt version of gett off should have been the first song released Thats a bona fide banger and tbh more exciting than what we've had so far

They should have put out the original full version of Gett Off and Insatiable (those were at one time on the record and they both aren;t on the upcoming SDE???? These are typical essentials for something they call a SDE, the lyrics for these versions are even in the original booklet for these tracks, how can they not put them on the SDE??)

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Doozer said:

If this were suddenly leaked in this quality, we'd all be creaming our shorts. This is a great "livestudio" version and is closer to the Arsenio performance, which is certainly the definitive version. The album version is smooth and simple, fine single for top 40, but is pretty subdued. There's a lot more fun in this "take 2". Considering the era we're regulated to for D&P SDE, I welcome this one. No unwanted rapping or whatever, just P doing his thang. This is the best thing I've heard yet from this SDE, no contest.

I have to firmly disagree. While I am always very eager to hear new leaks in great audio quality, this one would have gotten the same reaction from me that it gets now: "Hmmm. That's....disappointing. I won't ever purposefully listen to that again." Obviously I know Prince was a guitar virtuoso, but the general public certainly won't get that impression from this track.

This legit sucked all of the excitement that I had for this set out of me. (Well, this and also finding out yesterday that Blood on the Sheets is an instrumental - of COURSE it is). Oh well. I already bought it because I'm a sucker and I will certainly love a few songs on it.

Already knew how this thread was going to go. Typical org.

Mackopolis44 said:

Utterly pointless. I hate these peeps behind the magic curtain. No respect for the craft of songwriting and production and rubbing a great legacy in the dirt. Not for me.

Would you be saying this if your preferred era of takes & demos got released?

ShellyMcG said:

I really like it. I love the original as well but I don't like Rosie Gaines voice. This version fixes that aspect at least.

She's not even featured heavily or throughout in the original song cmon.

goodgod said:

nayroo2002 said:

BEST VERSION

Love the Arsenio version but the 6 minutes Glam Slam version from Yokohama chained with Chain Of Fools is incredible. What a jam!

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JorisE73 said:

They should have put out the original full version of Gett Off and Insatiable (those were at one time on the record and they both aren;t on the upcoming SDE???? These are typical essentials for something they call a SDE, the lyrics for these versions are even in the original booklet for these tracks, how can they not put them on the SDE??)

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I love the way U think, Joris!

"Gangser Glam" is included, but not the "mother popcorn"

goodgod said:

Never once in the last 32 years did I listen to Cream and think, 'This kind of reminds me of Addicted to Love'. But that was the first thing I thought when I heard this version.

Not necessarily a bad thing, just an observation.

nayroo2002 said:

Is this official?

Again, no link for the youngin's!!!

If it is NOT official, then sorry for the rant

It's on Spotisfy

eyewishuheaven said:

Never once in the last 32 years did I listen to Cream and think, 'This kind of reminds me of Addicted to Love'. But that was the first thing I thought when I heard this version.

Not necessarily a bad thing, just an observation.

It's a song that borrows from a few classics, but, it's still very Prince-ish

Kares said:

It's great to hear it, of course, ANY previously unheard Prince recording is exciting for us for various reasons, even the most basic, unfinished demos too.

.
My issue is not with the track itself (or the tracks released so far this year), but with the Estate's decisions.
.
Are these tracks really the best choices (after such a long period of no releases) to be used as promotional singles? Does the Estate really think that this is the kind of material that would draw the biggest attention of the media and would result in more Prince fans around the world?
Half-baked demos released with technical issues will not generate more Prince fans. Quite the contrary: they will only reassure those (even within the fan community) who assume that "we already have everything" and that "there are not much quality material left in the vault".
.
Where are the really great, fully finished but unknown gems? I'm positive that there's plenty of them. Those are the ones that should be used as promo singles – not a 10th (and not very significant) version of 'Cream'! The Estate should surprise fans and the general public alike with such important releases, not bore us with demos of songs we already know. Don't get me wrong, demos are also interesting and important to be released – as part of FULLY comprehensive vault collections, NOT as lead singles!!!
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Casual Prince fans or music fans to me will be most likely to click on a alternate take of a hit they already know (Cream) rather than a random song title. These lavish box sets with alternate takes and new songs are not for the general public to begin with

FragileUndertow said:

RJOrion said:

goodgod said:

ShellyMcG said:

RJOrion said:

So now there's people showing open disrespect and negativity towards Rosie Gaines and Boni Boyer...smh...i know what thats about, and the reason behind it...same old nonsense...its weird that some of you even claim to be Prince fans at all.

I'm a Prince fan. Not a Rosie Gaines fan. If Rosie Gaines was on every Prince song then I wouldn't be a Prince fan. But she's not. So I am. Out of curiosity though, since you know "what that's about", would you mind telling me? Because I don't know what that's about

Maybe TP can show you how to edit Prince songs.

You know, take this singer out, take that rapper out.

Maybe you just stop being a fan and take the rest with you

RJOrion said:

I definitely need multiple versions of 'Gangster Glam'

You better sit down over there.

nayroo2002 said: