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Reply #30 posted 09/07/23 12:07pm

bozojones

RJOrion said:

Im not a fan of the album version or this version...Cream may be the most overrated Prince song ever...

Gotta agree, it's by far the more generic and forgettable hit single of his career. Interestingly, it always reminded me of a watered down version of "Something To Talk About" by Bonnie Raitt, but I just looked up the dates and her album was recorded in September 1990-February 1991, while "Cream" was recorded in December 1990. I always wondered if Prince took some inspiration from the Raitt song (in addition to T-Rex) but it seems unlikely he heard an early cut of Bonnie's song before it came out. Then again, he did write songs for her in the previous decade, so who knows...

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Reply #31 posted 09/07/23 12:10pm

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bozojones said:



RJOrion said:


Im not a fan of the album version or this version...Cream may be the most overrated Prince song ever...

Gotta agree, it's by far the more generic and forgettable hit single of his career. Interestingly, it always reminded me of a watered down version of "Something To Talk About" by Bonnie Raitt, but I just looked up the dates and her album was recorded in September 1990-February 1991, while "Cream" was recorded in December 1990. I always wondered if Prince took some inspiration from the Raitt song (in addition to T-Rex) but it seems unlikely he heard an early cut of Bonnie's song before it came out. Then again, he did write songs for her in the previous decade, so who knows...



Didn’t she recently claim that she thought Prince used some of her slide guitar licks recorded during her Paisley sessions, on Cream?
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Reply #32 posted 09/07/23 12:17pm

RJOrion

bozojones said:



RJOrion said:


Im not a fan of the album version or this version...Cream may be the most overrated Prince song ever...

Gotta agree, it's by far the more generic and forgettable hit single of his career. Interestingly, it always reminded me of a watered down version of "Something To Talk About" by Bonnie Raitt, but I just looked up the dates and her album was recorded in September 1990-February 1991, while "Cream" was recorded in December 1990. I always wondered if Prince took some inspiration from the Raitt song (in addition to T-Rex) but it seems unlikely he heard an early cut of Bonnie's song before it came out. Then again, he did write songs for her in the previous decade, so who knows...




Yes...Thats the MAIN reason i never liked Cream...i always thought it sounded too much like "Something To Talk About", and i dont like that song either
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Reply #33 posted 09/07/23 12:18pm

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I keep seeing people talk about this but can't find where it's released. Not on Apple Music or Prince YouTube.

It's on Apple Music and on Youtube (and I assume other streaming services too)! music headbang

No it isn't. We're talking about Horny Pony, not Cream.

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Reply #34 posted 09/07/23 12:27pm

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I love it, always great to get some insight into different takes and see the songs from different angles.
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Reply #35 posted 09/07/23 12:28pm

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Then, why the hell can't Blee-bluu-blaa post a link from the very beginning???

I'm not reading your comments cuz there is no link to hear it!!!

Who the fuck are you Prince fans??? lol

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we all need 2 b friends"
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Reply #36 posted 09/07/23 12:36pm

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CREAM (take 2)

Not so hard

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Reply #37 posted 09/07/23 12:39pm

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"Whatever skin we're in
we all need 2 b friends"
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Reply #38 posted 09/07/23 12:40pm

fredmagnus

Wow cool

Lovely demo.

Love it.

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Reply #39 posted 09/07/23 1:02pm

ShellyMcG

boomshaka said:

ShellyMcG said:

I really like it. I love the original as well but I don't like Rosie Gaines voice. This version fixes that aspect at least.


Oof the Rosie slander 😣



I resent that!!




In print it's libel.

lol
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Reply #40 posted 09/07/23 1:19pm

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ShellyMcG said:

I really like it. I love the original as well but I don't like Rosie Gaines voice. This version fixes that aspect at least.

I feel the same way.

This is the better version to me, demo or not.

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Reply #41 posted 09/07/23 1:22pm

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ShellyMcG said:

I really like it. I love the original as well but I don't like Rosie Gaines voice. This version fixes that aspect at least.

There is a outtake version without Rosie. Quality is EX.
Its basically the album version without her.
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Reply #42 posted 09/07/23 1:25pm

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ShellyMcG said:

boomshaka said:
Oof the Rosie slander 😣
I resent that!! In print it's libel. lol

I think Rosie is terrible, always have done. Live she was even worse. I've never liked any of his pronounced singers. Boni Boyer with her scream-until-I'm-sick thing, Rosie warbling away on every fucking thing, then the awful shouting shelby and whoever the hell else. All terrible and all totally unnecessary. Prince was a great singer, he didn't need these other screamers. And if they were so great, where are any of them now? Dead or nowhere.

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Reply #43 posted 09/07/23 1:27pm

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FragileUndertow said:

ShellyMcG said:
I really like it. I love the original as well but I don't like Rosie Gaines voice. This version fixes that aspect at least.
There is a outtake version without Rosie. Quality is EX. Its basically the album version without her. Bootleg name : Diamonds And Pearls Beginnings [Free Boot Generation]


Yeah. The Diamonds & Pearls album it's ok to like.

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Reply #44 posted 09/07/23 1:46pm

RJOrion

So now there's people showing open disrespect and negativity towards Rosie Gaines and Boni Boyer...smh...i know what thats about, and the reason behind it...same old nonsense...its weird that some of you even claim to be Prince fans at all.
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Reply #45 posted 09/07/23 1:49pm

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No Prince fans here anymore.

They are all just "what he should've done was..." jackasses.

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Reply #46 posted 09/07/23 1:51pm

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Suck prince's balls!!!

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Reply #47 posted 09/07/23 1:54pm

mb71

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RJOrion said:

So now there's people showing open disrespect and negativity towards Rosie Gaines and Boni Boyer...smh...i know what thats about, and the reason behind it...same old nonsense...its weird that some of you even claim to be Prince fans at all.


You don't know shit. People have different opinions and tastes, if they differ from yours there has to be some kind of agenda. Get the fuck over it. There is room for everyone and all preferences.


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Reply #48 posted 09/07/23 1:55pm

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I love the album version (and video), but this more stripped-down, heavier guitar version is a nice surprise. That being said, I’d prefer if all of the vault tracks not include alternate versions of songs that we already have. (If we’re just limited to 33 unreleased tracks.)


I kind of agree with but I have really enjoyed the alternate versions.

Especially Forever In My Life and Insatiable.

I'm really looking forward to hearing the extended Diamonds and Pearls. I hope it has the guitar solo as played live.
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Reply #49 posted 09/07/23 2:20pm

LILpoundCAKE

mb71 said:

ShellyMcG said:

boomshaka said: I resent that!! In print it's libel. lol

I think Rosie is terrible, always have done. Live she was even worse. I've never liked any of his pronounced singers. Boni Boyer with her scream-until-I'm-sick thing, Rosie warbling away on every fucking thing, then the awful shouting shelby and whoever the hell else. All terrible and all totally unnecessary. Prince was a great singer, he didn't need these other screamers. And if they were so great, where are any of them now? Dead or nowhere.



Boni's was one of the best vocalists he ever worked with. I'm still hoping that one day
we will get some tracks that he produced for her from the vault.

If nothing else, more tracks of his with her on keys and vocals.

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Reply #50 posted 09/07/23 2:24pm

mb71

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mb71 said:

I think Rosie is terrible, always have done. Live she was even worse. I've never liked any of his pronounced singers. Boni Boyer with her scream-until-I'm-sick thing, Rosie warbling away on every fucking thing, then the awful shouting shelby and whoever the hell else. All terrible and all totally unnecessary. Prince was a great singer, he didn't need these other screamers. And if they were so great, where are any of them now? Dead or nowhere.



Boni's was one of the best vocalists he ever worked with. I'm still hoping that one day
we will get some tracks that he produced for her from the vault.

If nothing else, more tracks of his with her on keys and vocals.

I hope you get what you want one day.

You see famz? Different opinions and room for everyone.

Formerly TheDigitalGardener etc.
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Reply #51 posted 09/07/23 2:46pm

RJOrion

mb71 said:



RJOrion said:


So now there's people showing open disrespect and negativity towards Rosie Gaines and Boni Boyer...smh...i know what thats about, and the reason behind it...same old nonsense...its weird that some of you even claim to be Prince fans at all.


You don't know shit. People have different opinions and tastes, if they differ from yours there has to be some kind of agenda. Get the fuck over it. There is room for everyone and all preferences.




You being so triggered by my comment just proves my point...but...a hit dog will holler...so walk it off and continue to show your true colors...
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Reply #52 posted 09/07/23 2:52pm

donovd

Wow, this take is really good.

More lively compared to the original which is a bit stiff.
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Reply #53 posted 09/07/23 2:54pm

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There's nothing wrong with Rosie Gaines but the problem is that she was overused. I didn't like her on a few songs like Gangster Glam and Push but she's great on Walk Don't Walk and Diamonds and Pearls.
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Reply #54 posted 09/07/23 3:36pm

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BEST VERSION


Now see - I was just telling Fenwick that the Arsenio version is my least favorite because it sounds thin, almost like it's not there sometimes. The verses are so sparse in general, that it doesn't always translate well in a live setting. It's probably why the beefier of Take 2 feels less-slick, more live-band and thick in some way. I remember the first few times I saw that version, I felt bad for them because it didn't sound rich enough.

Eh, to each their own, right?

Just as a fan mix, I wouldn't mind Rosie's voice being isolated and dropped into Take 2. Put some reverb on it, put her in the background a bit, but it'd come across like a live club version or something.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #55 posted 09/07/23 3:48pm

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Boni was 9/10 for the big soul/gospel back up that prince wanted. I mean when shes given space on forever in my life, she kills it. But then im biased towards the 87/88 band. Funny how ppl regard the npg band as his 'blackest band', or the 'return to his roots', or the band assembled to 'regain the rnb audience' when he had a majority black band in 87/88.

Rosie was 7.5/10. I generally liked her input.

The rest though i can do without really. Or in small doses. He gave them way too much room.
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Reply #56 posted 09/07/23 3:58pm

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This take is cool to hear but do i wanna hear it repeatedly? No. Its just a practice run.

Michael bland really hits the snare loud doesnt he. Very loud and very square rhythmically.

The finished cream is still great. Prince sounds perfect on there.
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Reply #57 posted 09/07/23 6:30pm

SoulAlive

I like Rosie Gaines.I like what she brought to the table.Her vocals really ignited songs like “Cream” and “Diamonds and Pearls”.It’s hard to imagine the D&P album without her.
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Reply #58 posted 09/07/23 6:32pm

bobgeorge77

EnglishGent2 said:



bobgeorge77 said:




EnglishGent2 said:




I keep seeing people talk about this but can't find where it's released. Not on Apple Music or Prince YouTube.



It's on Apple Music and on Youtube (and I assume other streaming services too)! music headbang



No it isn't. We're talking about Horny Pony, not Cream.


Sorry! You’re right.
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Reply #59 posted 09/07/23 6:58pm

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If this were suddenly leaked in this quality, we'd all be creaming our shorts. This is a great "livestudio" version and is closer to the Arsenio performance, which is certainly the definitive version. The album version is smooth and simple, fine single for top 40, but is pretty subdued. There's a lot more fun in this "take 2". Considering the era we're regulated to for D&P SDE, I welcome this one. No unwanted rapping or whatever, just P doing his thang. This is the best thing I've heard yet from this SDE, no contest.

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