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Reply #30 posted 09/04/23 4:19pm

Ndorphinmachin
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WhisperingDandelions said:



Ndorphinmachina said:


The money is likely going to dictate when and what is released. I'd like to believe it's all about the art, but I don't. If the estate spend a lot to compile a prince release but it doesn't get released. The next release will probably be something commercial to make up for it. Similarly, to avoid having albums grouped together for SDEs they have to sell. This is after all a bidness.


The current SDE release is something commercial.

The next SDE release will be something commercial.

'Parade' and 'Love Symbol' will continue to collect dust on the shelves because it's a commercial business and all that, only like... how do you or they even know they won't sell until we try one? Literally every single SDE has been something commercial based on assumed sales figures and everyone falls lock-step with the perspective--we haven't even attempted something. Maybe if 'Parade' or 'Love Symbol' came out and were busts, then okay...



Nobody knows they won't sell. I certainly never said anything of the sort. I have no idea what their expectations are.

I would hazard a guess that since the 1999 SDE had a reasonable price tag, and subsequent SDEs have been extortionate. It may suggest that 1999 didn't sell as much as they wanted so they jacked up the prices on the next releases, in order to hit whatever their targets are. Of course that's just speculation on my part.


I'm not even a big fan of this next record I'm about to bring up either, but to me the true litmus test of this entire enterprise would come in the form of one SDE: 'The Gold Experience'. They finally secured the rights to TMBGITW. The album is a low, low seller, but has a high legacy. Roll the dice on that one and if that somehow fails then we can go back to playing Captain Finance.



Yeah maybe. It has his biggest single though, the other two singles performed moderately well. The album had potential but a messy release.

As for playing captain finance. If it's not something that interests you. You don't have to be involved in the conversation. That's sort of how this works.
[Edited 9/9/23 8:08am]
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Reply #31 posted 09/04/23 11:46pm

strongoxman1

I'd rather have a separate SDE than one combined with D&P, to be honest. I really dislike the idea of combining albums into SDEs.

So far all the SDEs have been of double-albums; I think the costs will be much more reasonable for future SDEs of single album releases, with much more of an emphasis on the Vault tracks.
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Reply #32 posted 09/05/23 12:49pm

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It doesn't make sense to combine an SDE, and I doubt they'll really do that. They may release simple remasters at the same time since they were both that version of the NPG and the albums/tours were so closely related. But to package them together doesn't make sense.

Why not group SOTT and Lovesexy, ATWIAD and Parade, Gold and Come? See the illogic of it?

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #33 posted 09/05/23 1:48pm

funkbabyandthe
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Well they didnt package them together so no need to fret about that any longer.

It didn't happen.
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Reply #34 posted 09/05/23 2:59pm

strongoxman1

TrivialPursuit said:

It doesn't make sense to combine an SDE, and I doubt they'll really do that. They may release simple remasters at the same time since they were both that version of the NPG and the albums/tours were so closely related. But to package them together doesn't make sense.

Why not group SOTT and Lovesexy, ATWIAD and Parade, Gold and Come? See the illogic of it?



The only one that would make sense to me, thematically, would be a combined Lovesexy and The Black Album. Those are the ONLY two I'd think of combining.
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Reply #35 posted 09/05/23 3:40pm

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strongoxman1 said:

The only one that would make sense to me, thematically, would be a combined Lovesexy and The Black Album. Those are the ONLY two I'd think of combining.


Yeah, that'd be interesting. Dark and light.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #36 posted 09/05/23 6:14pm

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no, no combo platters.

Ndorphinmachina said:

If it's not something that interests you. You don't have to be involved in the conversation. That's sort of how this works.

"Y should Eye do that when Eye can do this?"


It clearly does interest me given how much I carry on the discussion: it's Mr. Crabs Gordon Gekko slant of perspective I don't much care for, but that's the very essence of "how this works" on a classically-designed discussion forum like this: I can dissent and disagree with usual view on common matters.

If we were on reddit or twitter you could mute or block me, bask in the echo chamber, etc; but thems the breaks on prince.org.

Anyway they should try a rando SDE for the heck of it to get some actual tangible sales figures attached to this hypothesis that albums that didn't sell as big in 1994 wouldn't sell now is all I'm saying.

I would hazard a guess that since the 1999 SDE had a reasonable price tag, and subsequent SDEs have been extortionate. It may suggest that 1999 didn't sell as much as they wanted so they jacked up the prices on the next releases, in order to hit whatever their targets are.


Again, this is interesting if you are correct, because it's again highly skewed data because 1999 SDE sold out almost instantly while they still got plenty 'O' stock of SOTT. Around the time SOTT SDE came out they also released a "limited stock" of remaining 1999 SDE's and those literally sold out again in less than a day, I was on the store the day they dropped and was teetering back-n-forth and bam, lost out on 1999 SDE yet again.

That implies that that set sold fantastic and maybe they just jacked up the price on these to garner further income. But it could also create the illusion that it sold badly, when it was really they pressed them badly, and it doesn't even make sense for them to be out of print so long and so immediately...

Forget sales figures, 1999 is his second-biggest album after Purple Rain. I don't care if "Cream" charted whatever, the legacy is defined by society and Prince is most remembered for Purple Rain and 1999. Like that horrible Purple Rain deluxe has remained in-print, 1999 SDE deserved to remain in-print as well, literal money left on the table. A new Prince fan getting into him today would have interest in that SDE. "supposed to be limited," plz. money left on the table, if money is the discussion "limited" editions of his second-biggest record is so blatantly anti-money.

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Reply #37 posted 09/05/23 10:42pm

strongoxman1

WhisperingDandelions said:

Forget sales figures, 1999 is his second-biggest album after Purple Rain. I don't care if "Cream" charted whatever, the legacy is defined by society and Prince is most remembered for Purple Rain and 1999. Like that horrible Purple Rain deluxe has remained in-print, 1999 SDE deserved to remain in-print as well, literal money left on the table. A new Prince fan getting into him today would have interest in that SDE. "supposed to be limited," plz. money left on the table, if money is the discussion "limited" editions of his second-biggest record is so blatantly anti-money.


I agree -- I just checked, and 1999 isn't even available as a double-album on vinyl! That's ridiculous. Like, I get that there's been a bit of a supply chain issue with vinyl pressings, but at least have a listing with a "notify me when back in stock" email address prompt to gauge interest for the next pressing!

Or what about a digital download? Talk about leaving money on the table!!
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Reply #38 posted 09/05/23 11:22pm

funkbabyandthe
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The big/huge sde approach is a kind of industry standard now
The margins are better i guess and ppl seem to think theyre really getting something when they get a huge 12" package, even though they have bought cds
I personally think its dumb and cds should be in smaller boxes but thats just me
The 1999 set had the same kind of contents as these later releases but i think they think in order to get sales, its got to be big, and then they can sell it for more.
I dont think theres any real reason its not available other than poor judgement on how many they pressed up. Now they have to focus on pressing up the next SDE, not old ones.
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Reply #39 posted 09/05/23 11:44pm

strongoxman1

I think they should still do a limited 7" box set for the 1999 singles. Also change-up the packaging for the CD sets to match the SOTT and D&P sets in future pressings.

As it is, the 1999 set is a bit of a redheaded stepchild.
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Reply #40 posted 09/06/23 12:34am

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strongoxman1 said:

I think they should still do a limited 7" box set for the 1999 singles. Also change-up the packaging for the CD sets to match the SOTT and D&P sets in future pressings. As it is, the 1999 set is a bit of a redheaded stepchild.


If you think about it, that's pretty much the whole album.

1999

Little Red Corvette

Delirious

Let's Pretend We're Married

DMSR

Free

Automatic

Something In The Water

Lady Cab Driver

International Lover

...were all on a 7" or 12" single in some configuration.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #41 posted 09/06/23 2:36am

strongoxman1

TrivialPursuit said:



strongoxman1 said:


I think they should still do a limited 7" box set for the 1999 singles. Also change-up the packaging for the CD sets to match the SOTT and D&P sets in future pressings. As it is, the 1999 set is a bit of a redheaded stepchild.


If you think about it, that's pretty much the whole album.

1999


Little Red Corvette


Delirious


Let's Pretend We're Married


DMSR


Free


Automatic


Something In The Water


Lady Cab Driver


International Lover



...were all on a 7" or 12" single in some configuration.



That's not really the point, though; the point is that it's a monetizing opportunity for the Estate to produce an easy collectible that fans would buy and appreciate, especially since it would "fit in" with the other SDE collections.
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Reply #42 posted 09/06/23 3:04am

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strongoxman1 said:

WhisperingDandelions said:
Forget sales figures, 1999 is his second-biggest album after Purple Rain. I don't care if "Cream" charted whatever, the legacy is defined by society and Prince is most remembered for Purple Rain and 1999. Like that horrible Purple Rain deluxe has remained in-print, 1999 SDE deserved to remain in-print as well, literal money left on the table. A new Prince fan getting into him today would have interest in that SDE. "supposed to be limited," plz. money left on the table, if money is the discussion "limited" editions of his second-biggest record is so blatantly anti-money.
Or what about a digital download? Talk about leaving money on the table!!


If it's 1999 you require, if you care to check, the standard remastered edition and the Super Deluxe Edition are available as a digital download from qobuz.

[Edited 9/6/23 3:06am]

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Reply #43 posted 09/06/23 10:21am

TrivialPursuit

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strongoxman1 said:

TrivialPursuit said:


If you think about it, that's pretty much the whole album.

That's not really the point, though; the point is that it's a monetizing opportunity for the Estate to produce an easy collectible that fans would buy and appreciate, especially since it would "fit in" with the other SDE collections.


My point was that the whole album was released via singles. No ulterior motive in my statement.

I never disagreed with buying a singles box set, nor care if they release one or not. I'm sure the estate realizes all its monetizing opportunities. Yes, it would fit with the D&P and SOTT SDE collections.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #44 posted 09/06/23 11:41am

strongoxman1

mb71 said:



strongoxman1 said:


WhisperingDandelions said:
Forget sales figures, 1999 is his second-biggest album after Purple Rain. I don't care if "Cream" charted whatever, the legacy is defined by society and Prince is most remembered for Purple Rain and 1999. Like that horrible Purple Rain deluxe has remained in-print, 1999 SDE deserved to remain in-print as well, literal money left on the table. A new Prince fan getting into him today would have interest in that SDE. "supposed to be limited," plz. money left on the table, if money is the discussion "limited" editions of his second-biggest record is so blatantly anti-money.

Or what about a digital download? Talk about leaving money on the table!!


If it's 1999 you require, if you care to check, the standard remastered edition and the Super Deluxe Edition are available as a digital download from qobuz.

[Edited 9/6/23 3:06am]



Do proceeds from Qobuz purchases go to the Estate?

I already have 1999 in all forms -- this isn't about me, this is about the Estate not making smart business decisions.
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Reply #45 posted 09/06/23 12:10pm

FrankieCoco1

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

The big/huge sde approach is a kind of industry standard now
The margins are better i guess and ppl seem to think theyre really getting something when they get a huge 12" package, even though they have bought cds
I personally think its dumb and cds should be in smaller boxes but thats just me
The 1999 set had the same kind of contents as these later releases but i think they think in order to get sales, its got to be big, and then they can sell it for more.
I dont think theres any real reason its not available other than poor judgement on how many they pressed up. Now they have to focus on pressing up the next SDE, not old ones.


I think the design people learnt from a mistake with the 1999 set that the small CD pamphlet was difficult to read compared with the bigger book that came with the 1999 vinyl set. That’s why they went with the big book that came with both the CD and vinyl SOTT SDE, and same with D&P. I was really happy with how the SOTT CD box looked when I first got it but have to admit I’ve only looked at the book on the day I got it, and possibly once since.
There may or may not be something coming!
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Reply #46 posted 09/06/23 1:04pm

funkbabyandthe
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Wrong. Its just cheaper to manufacture the same box whatever the format.

You think they give a shit about small fonts? lol lol
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Reply #47 posted 09/06/23 2:19pm

mb71

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strongoxman1 said:

mb71 said:


If it's 1999 you require, if you care to check, the standard remastered edition and the Super Deluxe Edition are available as a digital download from qobuz.

[Edited 9/6/23 3:06am]

Do proceeds from Qobuz purchases go to the Estate? I already have 1999 in all forms -- this isn't about me, this is about the Estate not making smart business decisions.


1. I dont know.
2. Ok.
3. I see.
4. I see.


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Reply #48 posted 09/06/23 3:15pm

TrivialPursuit

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strongoxman1 said:

Do proceeds from Qobuz purchases go to the Estate? I already have 1999 in all forms -- this isn't about me, this is about the Estate not making smart business decisions.


With respect, y'all need to stay in your respective lanes.

The estate's profits or business decisions ain't ya bid'ness. You ain't too far gone to see that yet.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #49 posted 09/06/23 9:45pm

strongoxman1

TrivialPursuit said:



strongoxman1 said:


Do proceeds from Qobuz purchases go to the Estate? I already have 1999 in all forms -- this isn't about me, this is about the Estate not making smart business decisions.


With respect, y'all need to stay in your respective lanes.

The estate's profits or business decisions ain't ya bid'ness. You ain't too far gone to see that yet.



BRO -- you don't know me from Adam, so I suggest you remind yourself of that fact before you try to lecture about what you think is or is not my, or any other poster's, business on which to comment.
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Reply #50 posted 09/06/23 10:29pm

TrivialPursuit

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strongoxman1 said:

TrivialPursuit said:


With respect, y'all need to stay in your respective lanes.

The estate's profits or business decisions ain't ya bid'ness. You ain't too far gone to see that yet.

BRO -- you don't know me from Adam, so I suggest you remind yourself of that fact before you try to lecture about what you think is or is not my, or any other poster's, business on which to comment.


SIS - three sentences isn't a lecture. You can comment how you want, but y'all goin' on about business practices or profits is utterly pointless. You will never share in them, only contribute to them by buying what they put out. Or you won't. But the involvement begins and ends there.

Just sayin'.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #51 posted 09/11/23 6:31am

happyshopper

TrivialPursuit said:



strongoxman1 said:


Do proceeds from Qobuz purchases go to the Estate? I already have 1999 in all forms -- this isn't about me, this is about the Estate not making smart business decisions.


With respect, y'all need to stay in your respective lanes.

The estate's profits or business decisions ain't ya bid'ness. You ain't too far gone to see that yet.



It is kind of our business though isn’t it.
We can’t control it, but are allowed to comment on it, and it does effect the releases they may continue to make… so, yes, our “business” ;)

Have a feeling this Love Symbol SDE release may suddenly get resurrected if PR40 runs too late.
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Reply #52 posted 09/11/23 10:04am

TrivialPursuit

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happyshopper said:

It is kind of our business though isn’t it. We can’t control it, but are allowed to comment on it, and it does effect the releases they may continue to make… so, yes, our “business” wink Have a feeling this Love Symbol SDE release may suddenly get resurrected if PR40 runs too late.


Well of course we can comment on it. But the energy and used up headspace worrying about how many were printed, or business decisions is futile and nothing we can change. Prince fans always know what's better, but how many are applying that to their lives? How many own a business and are successful at it? Yet they wanna tell an estate how to run a musician's catalog? C'mon. That's some serious entitlement.

"Have a feeling," not a clue.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #53 posted 09/15/23 7:50am

Ndorphinmachin
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WhisperingDandelions said:

no, no combo platters.



Ndorphinmachina said:


If it's not something that interests you. You don't have to be involved in the conversation. That's sort of how this works.

"Y should Eye do that when Eye can do this?"



It clearly does interest me given how much I carry on the discussion: it's Mr. Crabs Gordon Gekko slant of perspective I don't much care for, but that's the very essence of "how this works" on a classically-designed discussion forum like this: I can dissent and disagree with usual view on common matters.

If we were on reddit or twitter you could mute or block me, bask in the echo chamber, etc; but thems the breaks on prince.org.



You were complaining about the conversation other people were having. I don't know how you equate that to me wanting to live in an echo chamber.

Again, this is interesting if you are correct, because it's again highly skewed data because 1999 SDE sold out almost instantly while they still got plenty 'O' stock of SOTT. Around the time SOTT SDE came out they also released a "limited stock" of remaining 1999 SDE's and those literally sold out again in less than a day, I was on the store the day they dropped and was teetering back-n-forth and bam, lost out on 1999 SDE yet again.

That implies that that set sold fantastic and maybe they just jacked up the price on these to garner further income.


Could be. I'd be surprised at them leaving money on the table like that. But it's certainly possible.

But it could also create the illusion that it sold badly, when it was really they pressed them badly, and it doesn't even make sense for them to be out of print so long and so immediately...

Forget sales figures, 1999 is his second-biggest album after Purple Rain. I don't care if "Cream" charted whatever, the legacy is defined by society and Prince is most remembered for Purple Rain and 1999. Like that horrible Purple Rain deluxe has remained in-print, 1999 SDE deserved to remain in-print as well, literal money left on the table. A new Prince fan getting into him today would have interest in that SDE. "supposed to be limited," plz. money left on the table, if money is the discussion "limited" editions of his second-biggest record is so blatantly anti-money.


PR is his biggest selling album obviously.

However, there is an admittedly smaller subset of fans, for whom Prince is most remembered for D&P, prince & TMBGITW. If you were a teenager in the 90 those are likely the albums you were first exposed to. The singles were still charting, he was on the radio, on MTV and he was touring. He was still, commercially speaking) a relevant and viable artist. For the first half of the 90s anyway.
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