WhisperingDandelions said:
Nobody knows they won't sell. I certainly never said anything of the sort. I have no idea what their expectations are. I would hazard a guess that since the 1999 SDE had a reasonable price tag, and subsequent SDEs have been extortionate. It may suggest that 1999 didn't sell as much as they wanted so they jacked up the prices on the next releases, in order to hit whatever their targets are. Of course that's just speculation on my part. I'm not even a big fan of this next record I'm about to bring up either, but to me the true litmus test of this entire enterprise would come in the form of one SDE: 'The Gold Experience'. They finally secured the rights to TMBGITW. The album is a low, low seller, but has a high legacy. Roll the dice on that one and if that somehow fails then we can go back to playing Captain Finance. Yeah maybe. It has his biggest single though, the other two singles performed moderately well. The album had potential but a messy release. As for playing captain finance. If it's not something that interests you. You don't have to be involved in the conversation. That's sort of how this works. [Edited 9/9/23 8:08am] | |
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I'd rather have a separate SDE than one combined with D&P, to be honest. I really dislike the idea of combining albums into SDEs. So far all the SDEs have been of double-albums; I think the costs will be much more reasonable for future SDEs of single album releases, with much more of an emphasis on the Vault tracks. | |
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It doesn't make sense to combine an SDE, and I doubt they'll really do that. They may release simple remasters at the same time since they were both that version of the NPG and the albums/tours were so closely related. But to package them together doesn't make sense. Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking. | |
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Well they didnt package them together so no need to fret about that any longer. It didn't happen. | |
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TrivialPursuit said: It doesn't make sense to combine an SDE, and I doubt they'll really do that. They may release simple remasters at the same time since they were both that version of the NPG and the albums/tours were so closely related. But to package them together doesn't make sense. The only one that would make sense to me, thematically, would be a combined Lovesexy and The Black Album. Those are the ONLY two I'd think of combining. | |
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Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking. | |
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no, no combo platters.
"Y should Eye do that when Eye can do this?"
Anyway they should try a rando SDE for the heck of it to get some actual tangible sales figures attached to this hypothesis that albums that didn't sell as big in 1994 wouldn't sell now is all I'm saying.
I would hazard a guess that since the 1999 SDE had a reasonable price tag, and subsequent SDEs have been extortionate. It may suggest that 1999 didn't sell as much as they wanted so they jacked up the prices on the next releases, in order to hit whatever their targets are.
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WhisperingDandelions said: Forget sales figures, 1999 is his second-biggest album after Purple Rain. I don't care if "Cream" charted whatever, the legacy is defined by society and Prince is most remembered for Purple Rain and 1999. Like that horrible Purple Rain deluxe has remained in-print, 1999 SDE deserved to remain in-print as well, literal money left on the table. A new Prince fan getting into him today would have interest in that SDE. "supposed to be limited," plz. money left on the table, if money is the discussion "limited" editions of his second-biggest record is so blatantly anti-money. I agree -- I just checked, and 1999 isn't even available as a double-album on vinyl! That's ridiculous. Like, I get that there's been a bit of a supply chain issue with vinyl pressings, but at least have a listing with a "notify me when back in stock" email address prompt to gauge interest for the next pressing! Or what about a digital download? Talk about leaving money on the table!! | |
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The big/huge sde approach is a kind of industry standard now The margins are better i guess and ppl seem to think theyre really getting something when they get a huge 12" package, even though they have bought cds I personally think its dumb and cds should be in smaller boxes but thats just me The 1999 set had the same kind of contents as these later releases but i think they think in order to get sales, its got to be big, and then they can sell it for more. I dont think theres any real reason its not available other than poor judgement on how many they pressed up. Now they have to focus on pressing up the next SDE, not old ones. | |
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I think they should still do a limited 7" box set for the 1999 singles. Also change-up the packaging for the CD sets to match the SOTT and D&P sets in future pressings. As it is, the 1999 set is a bit of a redheaded stepchild. | |
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Little Red Corvette Delirious Let's Pretend We're Married DMSR Free Automatic Something In The Water Lady Cab Driver International Lover
...were all on a 7" or 12" single in some configuration. Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking. | |
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TrivialPursuit said:
Little Red Corvette Delirious Let's Pretend We're Married DMSR Free Automatic Something In The Water Lady Cab Driver International Lover
...were all on a 7" or 12" single in some configuration. That's not really the point, though; the point is that it's a monetizing opportunity for the Estate to produce an easy collectible that fans would buy and appreciate, especially since it would "fit in" with the other SDE collections. | |
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[Edited 9/6/23 3:06am] Formerly TheDigitalGardener etc. | |
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Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking. | |
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[Edited 9/6/23 3:06am] Do proceeds from Qobuz purchases go to the Estate? I already have 1999 in all forms -- this isn't about me, this is about the Estate not making smart business decisions. | |
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funkbabyandthebabysitters said: The big/huge sde approach is a kind of industry standard now The margins are better i guess and ppl seem to think theyre really getting something when they get a huge 12" package, even though they have bought cds I personally think its dumb and cds should be in smaller boxes but thats just me The 1999 set had the same kind of contents as these later releases but i think they think in order to get sales, its got to be big, and then they can sell it for more. I dont think theres any real reason its not available other than poor judgement on how many they pressed up. Now they have to focus on pressing up the next SDE, not old ones. I think the design people learnt from a mistake with the 1999 set that the small CD pamphlet was difficult to read compared with the bigger book that came with the 1999 vinyl set. That’s why they went with the big book that came with both the CD and vinyl SOTT SDE, and same with D&P. I was really happy with how the SOTT CD box looked when I first got it but have to admit I’ve only looked at the book on the day I got it, and possibly once since. There may or may not be something coming! | |
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Wrong. Its just cheaper to manufacture the same box whatever the format. You think they give a shit about small fonts? | |
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Formerly TheDigitalGardener etc. | |
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Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking. | |
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TrivialPursuit said:
BRO -- you don't know me from Adam, so I suggest you remind yourself of that fact before you try to lecture about what you think is or is not my, or any other poster's, business on which to comment. | |
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TrivialPursuit said:
It is kind of our business though isn’t it. We can’t control it, but are allowed to comment on it, and it does effect the releases they may continue to make… so, yes, our “business” ;) Have a feeling this Love Symbol SDE release may suddenly get resurrected if PR40 runs too late. | |
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WhisperingDandelions said: no, no combo platters.
"Y should Eye do that when Eye can do this?"
You were complaining about the conversation other people were having. I don't know how you equate that to me wanting to live in an echo chamber. Again, this is interesting if you are correct, because it's again highly skewed data because 1999 SDE sold out almost instantly while they still got plenty 'O' stock of SOTT. Around the time SOTT SDE came out they also released a "limited stock" of remaining 1999 SDE's and those literally sold out again in less than a day, I was on the store the day they dropped and was teetering back-n-forth and bam, lost out on 1999 SDE yet again. That implies that that set sold fantastic and maybe they just jacked up the price on these to garner further income. Could be. I'd be surprised at them leaving money on the table like that. But it's certainly possible. But it could also create the illusion that it sold badly, when it was really they pressed them badly, and it doesn't even make sense for them to be out of print so long and so immediately... Forget sales figures, 1999 is his second-biggest album after Purple Rain. I don't care if "Cream" charted whatever, the legacy is defined by society and Prince is most remembered for Purple Rain and 1999. Like that horrible Purple Rain deluxe has remained in-print, 1999 SDE deserved to remain in-print as well, literal money left on the table. A new Prince fan getting into him today would have interest in that SDE. "supposed to be limited," plz. money left on the table, if money is the discussion "limited" editions of his second-biggest record is so blatantly anti-money. PR is his biggest selling album obviously. However, there is an admittedly smaller subset of fans, for whom Prince is most remembered for D&P, & TMBGITW. If you were a teenager in the 90 those are likely the albums you were first exposed to. The singles were still charting, he was on the radio, on MTV and he was touring. He was still, commercially speaking) a relevant and viable artist. For the first half of the 90s anyway. | |
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