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Reply #60 posted 08/30/23 7:46am

Landonfunkmonk
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SoulAlive said:

A reissue of Come 2 My House? Cool,it’s a great album.But let’s also get remastered reissues of Mazarati,The Family,Apollonia 6,etc.


Come 2 My Housecwas meant to be available on Streaming platforms in July but never materialised.
Something BIG Is Coming.
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Reply #61 posted 08/30/23 10:56am

strongoxman1

I'd love to see a single SDE for The Time -- all 4 classic albums, singles and b-sides, plus vault and a bluray or two.

I think that could work.
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Reply #62 posted 08/30/23 11:21am

SoulAlive

strongoxman1 said:

I'd love to see a single SDE for The Time -- all 4 classic albums, singles and b-sides, plus vault and a bluray or two. I think that could work.

I agree

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Reply #63 posted 08/31/23 3:23pm

GiggityGoo

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strongoxman1 said:

I'd love to see a single SDE for The Time -- all 4 classic albums, singles and b-sides, plus vault and a bluray or two. I think that could work.

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Amen! A Time boxset with some tasty extras would be awesome!

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Reply #64 posted 08/31/23 4:41pm

LILpoundCAKE

strongoxman1 said:

I'd love to see a single SDE for The Time -- all 4 classic albums, singles and b-sides, plus vault and a bluray or two. I think that could work.


Oh yes, and include all the prince 'originals' in this box as well. That would be so good!

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Reply #65 posted 08/31/23 10:12pm

funkbabyandthe
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That would undermine the time tbh. Prince wrote for them. but ultimately without morris as a muse or frontman the time wouldnt have worked. Let them have a sde in their own right.

That aside, we havent even had that many prince sde releases yet. When all the main albums are done, then id be interested in seeing sdes for other affiliated artists.
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Reply #66 posted 08/31/23 11:09pm

SoulAlive

Landonfunkmonkey said:

SoulAlive said:
A reissue of Come 2 My House? Cool,it’s a great album.But let’s also get remastered reissues of Mazarati,The Family,Apollonia 6,etc.
Come 2 My House was meant to be available on Streaming platforms in July but never materialised.

yeah I remember hearing that.I guess these plans have been delayed shrug it's a shame because it's really a top-notch album.

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Reply #67 posted 08/31/23 11:11pm

themanfromnept
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WhisperingDandelions said:

But the joke is the stereo edition is in mono anyway.

LOL

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Reply #68 posted 09/01/23 6:47am

Se7en

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SOTT is my favorite album, but the cost of the SDE (for me) was prohibitive.

Now, D&P SDE is even more expensive than SOTT. Who knows how expensive the upcoming PR:SDE will be?

My hope is that not ALL of the SDEs are insanely priced. 1999:SDE was very reasonable at about $60. Hoping some of the other SDEs follow that model.

As for predictions/hopes:

Parade and Dirty Mind are two that come to mind first. Lovesexy would be great (do you include The Black Album in that?!).

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Reply #69 posted 09/03/23 9:51pm

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GiggityGoo said:

homesquid said:

There simply isn't ging to be as many Super Deluxe editions as we want AND it depends on the sales. If you cheap bastards don't buy D&P SDE it's going to dry up fast. The SOTT sales were not fantastic. There's still lots of unsold product.

But here's the thing. The term "Super Deluxe" doesn't mean it has to be six or mores discs. The standard seems to be 4 CDs and perhaps not even video. The previous Purple Rain re-issue xould easily have been called a Super Deluxe. We got 3 CDs and a DVD.

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I feel like I'm in the minority here on the Org, but... I could do without the live shows on CD.

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I'm not much of a live music on disc guy. I mean, Queen is my favorite band of all time, but I don't own either official live album! Live music doesn't do anything for me if I'm not there in the arena when it's happening. But that's me.

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If they killed the 2 live CDs, and added 1 Vault CD, I'd be in heaven.

I'm the same way. Well, I enjoy a good live DVD/video but I can do without a live show on CD.

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Reply #70 posted 09/04/23 12:55am

LIVESexy88

Let certain folks tell it, Parade was already configured and then put on hold. D&P and TLS was a boxed set - probably where that 7 E Flat version was sourced from - and Spicer just basically confirmed PR

I think that info sums up the next 2-3 years for SDEs

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Reply #71 posted 09/04/23 11:41am

whodknee

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GiggityGoo said:

People keep saying that they're expecting a re-do on "Purple Rain" for its 40th anniversary next year.

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If they do that, then they'd be in a position to do a nice run of 40th anniversary SDEs:

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2025 - Around The World In A Day (the one I want the most)

2026 - Parade

2027 - since Sign O The Times has already been done, how about a pre-1999 album, like For You

2028 - Lovesexy (my second-most-wanted SDE)

2029 - Batman

2030 - this could get tricky... 40th anniversary of Graffiti Bridge, but ***50th*** of Dirty Mind...

There's no question here. You go with 50th over 40th and you go with Dirty Mind over Graffiti Bridge. I like the 40th anniversary run-ups to that year.

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Reply #72 posted 09/05/23 4:10am

leecaldon

lustmealways said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

I predict we get 3-4 more SDE's then Prince SDE's go the way of Prince Originals volumes.

how about no more and they completely reevaluate the way they release this material and admit the SDE concept is narrow minded and unambitious

What's unambitious about it?

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Reply #73 posted 09/05/23 4:41am

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leecaldon said:

lustmealways said:

how about no more and they completely reevaluate the way they release this material and admit the SDE concept is narrow minded and unambitious

What's unambitious about it?

Well for starters they're not even attempting to be at all exhaustive in their curation of eras (so many originals missing, "I Wonder", etc.)

Not to mention hopping around era to era SDE-to-SDE in the first place.


Lack of transparency with notations, literally duplicating the same live show across 3 discs this go, etc.

They're pop star special editions at best. These should be fit for the Smithsonian, Library of Congress, or at the very least those "Complete Bach" multi CD sets any nearby University library has available for checkout.

One day Britney Spears will have better special editions, and her label will consider her big enough a talent to at least give her catalogue the basic decency of going in chrological order.

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Reply #74 posted 09/05/23 5:27am

JorisE73

WhisperingDandelions said:

leecaldon said:

What's unambitious about it?

Well for starters they're not even attempting to be at all exhaustive in their curation of eras (so many originals missing, "I Wonder", etc.)

Not to mention hopping around era to era SDE-to-SDE in the first place.


Lack of transparency with notations, literally duplicating the same live show across 3 discs this go, etc.

They're pop star special editions at best. These should be fit for the Smithsonian, Library of Congress, or at the very least those "Complete Bach" multi CD sets any nearby University library has available for checkout.

One day Britney Spears will have better special editions, and her label will consider her big enough a talent to at least give her catalogue the basic decency of going in chrological order.

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I doubt Brintey Speers has much material to go through but I get and share your frustration.
For complete comprehensive releases I think them taking 5 years off to curate and sort the vault out (with the primary focus on studio material first and whatevr live material they find they can sort that by era for the time being) is the best way to go but I don't think some loud obnxious fans wil accept 5 years without any release without them complaining about that (sure they could in the mean time reissue rare promos or singles or small video releases or whatever but that could take time off from the sorting)



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Reply #75 posted 09/07/23 1:22am

leecaldon

JorisE73 said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

Well for starters they're not even attempting to be at all exhaustive in their curation of eras (so many originals missing, "I Wonder", etc.)

Not to mention hopping around era to era SDE-to-SDE in the first place.


Lack of transparency with notations, literally duplicating the same live show across 3 discs this go, etc.

They're pop star special editions at best. These should be fit for the Smithsonian, Library of Congress, or at the very least those "Complete Bach" multi CD sets any nearby University library has available for checkout.

One day Britney Spears will have better special editions, and her label will consider her big enough a talent to at least give her catalogue the basic decency of going in chrological order.

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I doubt Brintey Speers has much material to go through but I get and share your frustration.
For complete comprehensive releases I think them taking 5 years off to curate and sort the vault out (with the primary focus on studio material first and whatevr live material they find they can sort that by era for the time being) is the best way to go but I don't think some loud obnxious fans wil accept 5 years without any release without them complaining about that (sure they could in the mean time reissue rare promos or singles or small video releases or whatever but that could take time off from the sorting)



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Taking 5 years off would be a terrible idea - fans aren't getting any younger, the estate needs money coming in, and Prince's legacy would be compromised by such a long gap.

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I don't see the issue with releasing the SDEs out of chronological order. Releasing those that will get the most attention first makes perfect sense. And I certainly don't want to be waiting decades before getting any late period SDEs.

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I can't explain why they're not being comprehensive - that would be something to ask the estate.

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Reply #76 posted 09/07/23 1:29am

JorisE73

leecaldon said:

JorisE73 said:



I doubt Brintey Speers has much material to go through but I get and share your frustration.
For complete comprehensive releases I think them taking 5 years off to curate and sort the vault out (with the primary focus on studio material first and whatevr live material they find they can sort that by era for the time being) is the best way to go but I don't think some loud obnxious fans wil accept 5 years without any release without them complaining about that (sure they could in the mean time reissue rare promos or singles or small video releases or whatever but that could take time off from the sorting)



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Taking 5 years off would be a terrible idea - fans aren't getting any younger, the estate needs money coming in, and Prince's legacy would be compromised by such a long gap.

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I don't see the issue with releasing the SDEs out of chronological order. Releasing those that will get the most attention first makes perfect sense. And I certainly don't want to be waiting decades before getting any late period SDEs.

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I can't explain why they're not being comprehensive - that would be something to ask the estate.



I think the reason they are not comprhensive is because they are still sorting and finding material.
1999 SDE has been released but I'm sure they have found more material from that era after it was released, same for SOTT SDE and any other release.
But they could also just sort those in the right era and release them later as addendums to the already releaed SDE's. But they will probably choose to release a complate new SDE with 2 new found songs and repeat this for years to come so we can double dip everytime for the same material with 2 or 3 songs extra so we'll end up with 3 1999 SDE's or something lol

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Reply #77 posted 09/07/23 4:42am

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JorisE73 said:

leecaldon said:

Taking 5 years off would be a terrible idea - fans aren't getting any younger, the estate needs money coming in, and Prince's legacy would be compromised by such a long gap.

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I don't see the issue with releasing the SDEs out of chronological order. Releasing those that will get the most attention first makes perfect sense. And I certainly don't want to be waiting decades before getting any late period SDEs.

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I can't explain why they're not being comprehensive - that would be something to ask the estate.



I think the reason they are not comprhensive is because they are still sorting and finding material.
1999 SDE has been released but I'm sure they have found more material from that era after it was released, same for SOTT SDE and any other release.
But they could also just sort those in the right era and release them later as addendums to the already releaed SDE's. But they will probably choose to release a complate new SDE with 2 new found songs and repeat this for years to come so we can double dip everytime for the same material with 2 or 3 songs extra so we'll end up with 3 1999 SDE's or something lol

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As a software engineer, I've always found that music releases should be more like software.

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You can have different versions of a release, with major versions (1.0, 2.0, etc.) and minor ones (1.0, 1.1, 1.2, etc.). You could have previews, alpha/beta releases.

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Updates could be released as full releases or just patches (e.g. "here are just two tracks that we fixed from the previous release").

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You could have bug reports (e.g. "there is some tape warble on 'Wally', can you fix or at least document this?" or "there's a glitch at the beginning of 'Erotic City', please fix"), requests for enhancements (e.g. "there's too much reverb on this mix, could you do another mix?"), etc.

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And then, there's also documentation. Everything should be documented and the documentation should be updated frequently.

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And it should be a collaborative effort (think open source, Github, Gitlab, etc.), with comments/discussions before decisions, push requests, etc.

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Of course, you could still manufacture physical releases from time to time, for those that really want them. wink

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Yes, I'm aware this is completely geeky/nerdy, but I'm pretty sure this would be a fantastic way to handle things. Especially since we're not talking about an artist releasing new works, but about how to handle what he left behind. This should be done in a more technical/rigorous way.

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Reply #78 posted 09/07/23 4:49am

JorisE73

olb99 said:

JorisE73 said:



I think the reason they are not comprhensive is because they are still sorting and finding material.
1999 SDE has been released but I'm sure they have found more material from that era after it was released, same for SOTT SDE and any other release.
But they could also just sort those in the right era and release them later as addendums to the already releaed SDE's. But they will probably choose to release a complate new SDE with 2 new found songs and repeat this for years to come so we can double dip everytime for the same material with 2 or 3 songs extra so we'll end up with 3 1999 SDE's or something lol

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As a software engineer, I've always found that music releases should be more like software.

.

You can have different versions of a release, with major versions (1.0, 2.0, etc.) and minor ones (1.0, 1.1, 1.2, etc.). You could have previews, alpha/beta releases.

.

Updates could be released as full releases or just patches (e.g. "here are just two tracks that we fixed from the previous release").

.

You could have bug reports (e.g. "there is some tape warble on 'Wally', can you fix or at least document this?" or "there's a glitch at the beginning of 'Erotic City', please fix"), requests for enhancements (e.g. "there's too much reverb on this mix, could you do another mix?"), etc.

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And then, there's also documentation. Everything should be documented and the documentation should be updated frequently.

.

And it should be a collaborative effort (think open source, Github, Gitlab, etc.), with comments/discussions before decisions, push requests, etc.

.

Of course, you could still manufacture physical releases from time to time, for those that really want them. wink

.

Yes, I'm aware this is completely geeky/nerdy, but I'm pretty sure this would be a fantastic way to handle things. Especially since we're not talking about an artist releasing new works, but about how to handle what he left behind. This should be done in a more technical/rigorous way.


This is exactly how it should be done yes.

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Reply #79 posted 09/07/23 5:38am

Se7en

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JorisE73 said:

olb99 said:

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As a software engineer, I've always found that music releases should be more like software.

.

You can have different versions of a release, with major versions (1.0, 2.0, etc.) and minor ones (1.0, 1.1, 1.2, etc.). You could have previews, alpha/beta releases.

.

Updates could be released as full releases or just patches (e.g. "here are just two tracks that we fixed from the previous release").

.

You could have bug reports (e.g. "there is some tape warble on 'Wally', can you fix or at least document this?" or "there's a glitch at the beginning of 'Erotic City', please fix"), requests for enhancements (e.g. "there's too much reverb on this mix, could you do another mix?"), etc.

.

And then, there's also documentation. Everything should be documented and the documentation should be updated frequently.

.

And it should be a collaborative effort (think open source, Github, Gitlab, etc.), with comments/discussions before decisions, push requests, etc.

.

Of course, you could still manufacture physical releases from time to time, for those that really want them. wink

.

Yes, I'm aware this is completely geeky/nerdy, but I'm pretty sure this would be a fantastic way to handle things. Especially since we're not talking about an artist releasing new works, but about how to handle what he left behind. This should be done in a more technical/rigorous way.


This is exactly how it should be done yes.


On the Originals release (for discussion sake only), they did note that the version of Wouldn't U Love 2 Love Me was sourced from a cassette and was the only-known source for that particular version. They cleaned it up as much as possible. I don't know if this was noted on the actual album, or in interviews though.

So, if on future SDE releases . . . let's say When Doves Cry - Bass Included Version . . . if there is literally only one copy of that song to source from (be it cassette, DVR, or even MP3), then include it and make that notation about the source. Don't try to pass it off as "from the legendary Vault tapes" or something like that - be up front and fans will be OK.

They won't do this, but the Estate could even go further and state something like: "If new sources for 'Song X" are discovered within 'X amount of time', then fans who purchased this album will be able to download an updated high-res file for this track".

I don't notice most of the glitches that others do, and I was good with the Purple Rain vault tracks (even being from cassette). I'd rather have them in that quality then not have them at all. I don't care for the 1999 reverb on a few songs that was added heavy-handidly though.

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Reply #80 posted 09/07/23 6:58am

FrankieCoco1

Duane Tudahl is now mentioned as the archivist or Senior Researcher for the Prince Estate, so may be some of the interviews he will do for the D&P release will enlighten us on what’s being unearthed, albeit exact mentions may not be allowed due to NDA or other legal stuff.

Otherwise, I think the format for the Prince SDEs is something Warners has decided on, and what goes on it has to fit the LPs, then spread out on the CDs.
There may or may not be something coming!
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Reply #81 posted 09/07/23 9:06am

DarkHorse77

LILpoundCAKE said:

strongoxman1 said:

I'd love to see a single SDE for The Time -- all 4 classic albums, singles and b-sides, plus vault and a bluray or two. I think that could work.


Oh yes, and include all the prince 'originals' in this box as well. That would be so good!

I hadn't even considered The Time for a SDE but this is just a fantastic idea. As long as it doesn't slow the Prince SDEs let's get a Time all in box set.

All four albums, the original Pandemonium, all the b-sides, singles, etc., a Live Show or two.

Adding the Prince original versions would make it all the more epic. Great idea!

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Liberate my mind."
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Reply #82 posted 09/07/23 10:43am

happyshopper

FrankieCoco1 said:

Duane Tudahl is now mentioned as the archivist or Senior Researcher for the Prince Estate, so may be some of the interviews he will do for the D&P release will enlighten us on what’s being unearthed, albeit exact mentions may not be allowed due to NDA or other legal stuff.

Otherwise, I think the format for the Prince SDEs is something Warners has decided on, and what goes on it has to fit the LPs, then spread out on the CDs.


I think that’s roughy right.
Warner discuss what the Estate want to release.
Warner set deadlines for the remastered album, singles and b-sides, and 3 CDs of Vault tracks, plus a concert or 2 for an extra cd and Blu-ray.
Then the estate request everything that’s available from the vault, take a listen, and send what they think works to Warner.
At least, I assume it’s something like that! smile
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Reply #83 posted 09/08/23 3:10pm

newpwrsoul

2024: Purple Rain 40

2025: Love Symbol SDE

2026: Parade/UTCM 40

2027: Lovesexy SDE (w/ The Funk Bible included)

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Reply #84 posted 09/10/23 8:01am

getwild180

If they release TLS I hope they include the I'll Do Anything tracks. I've been wanting to hear these in good quality for years.
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Reply #85 posted 09/10/23 8:40am

LILpoundCAKE

Ugh, I just want the Parade SDE most of all. There are so many cool outtakes from this
period. So atmospheric, so melodic, so intricately beautiful. The songs from this period
are not just outtakes they are better than bsides or even album tracks in most cases.

And a very well done remaster of Parade would be cool to have, too.

Although the original vinyl does sound rather fetching to this day smile


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Reply #86 posted 09/10/23 7:51pm

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getwild180 said:

If they release TLS I hope they include the I'll Do Anything tracks. I've been wanting to hear these in good quality for years.



100%, these tracks are phenomenal.

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Reply #87 posted 09/10/23 8:07pm

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When the fuck did we start calling Symbol TLS
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