...why should any of the SDE's be "smaller"?

This is like that other thread where someone questioned whether or not there'd be outtakes for Around the World in a Day SDE.

Like what about Prince would make you assume he doesn't have multiple discs worth of potential outtakes? They even left a ton off D&P SDE. We gotta stand our ground as Prince fans or they'll pull more shortchange nonsense like duplicating the same live show twice over 3 discs like they're doing on D&P SDE. There's no reason why what they've done for 1999 SDE, SOTT SDE, and D&P SDE shouldn't be possible for every album he released...

At least you didn't suggest bundling the album with another album like those $5.99 gas-station two-fers like people seem to advocate every other thread.

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I doubt very much a Lovesymbol album will see the light of day.

I was not in favour of a combined set, it's better to focus on one album at the time but the consequence is that most of the albums won't get the SDE treatment. Maybe Lovesymbol could get deluxe edition with one cd of Vault Tracks but i don't see this happening before a long time anyway.

What other SDE will we get after PR40 ?

Most probably Parade, and maybe Batman if we're lucky but that will be it.

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WhisperingDandelions said:

...why should any of the SDE's be "smaller"?

This is like that other thread where someone questioned whether or not there'd be outtakes for Around the World in a Day SDE.

Like what about Prince would make you assume he doesn't have multiple discs worth of potential outtakes? They even left a ton off D&P SDE. We gotta stand our ground as Prince fans or they'll pull more shortchange nonsense like duplicating the same live show twice over 3 discs like they're doing on D&P SDE. There's no reason why what they've done for 1999 SDE, SOTT SDE, and D&P SDE shouldn't be possible for every album he released...

At least you didn't suggest bundling the album with another album like those $5.99 gas-station two-fers like people seem to advocate every other thread.

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Oh i'm not saying it "should" be, I'd love a set just like this one, but part of me thinks it's coming out this year in some form as it is already pressed in some quantity with this years date

Shame it will probably go to the back of this list, despite being mostly worked on already... including the live videos.

They probably just need to fill it with a few more vault tracks and do the artwork... Job done!

fredmagnus said:

What other SDE will we get after PR40 ?

Most probably Parade, and maybe Batman if we're lucky but that will be it.

Pretty much. It makes his career look like rank amateur hour. Only 5 or 6 "worthy" albums out of 40.

fredmagnus said:

I doubt very much a Lovesymbol album will see the light of day.

I was not in favour of a combined set, it's better to focus on one album at the time but the consequence is that most of the albums won't get the SDE treatment. Maybe Lovesymbol could get deluxe edition with one cd of Vault Tracks but i don't see this happening before a long time anyway.

What other SDE will we get after PR40 ?

Most probably Parade, and maybe Batman if we're lucky but that will be it.

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The Schkopi article mentions that the Parade SDE didn't exist when Howe & Co. left ("Contrairement aux rumeurs insistantes lancées par des fans qui voulaient seulement y croire, aucun travail sur un « Parade Deluxe » ou tout autre album n’avait été entamé.").

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So we're left with PR40 next year. Then, we don't know.

WhisperingDandelions said:

fredmagnus said:

bozojones said:

To be fair, ATWIAD probably has the least outtakes of any of his 80s albums, given how he recorded it concurrent to Purple Rain and was too busy with the film, tour, and protege projects to play around in the studio.

Possibly/probably but it still surely has outtakes.

And since they're including Originals on the Vault discs wouldn't all of the originals from Romance 1600 be viable inclusions? Also The Family album, which was tracked almost year prior to Parade's tracking dates despite often getting grouped into Parade era due to its release date proximity / cover art. The intial tracking dates for The Family takes place during initial tracking dates for Around the World in a Day.

That's a whole Vault disc right there already. Two if they do their "vinyl spacing" whatev. Duplicate whatever live blu-ray they cook up again on 2 extra CDs like D&P SDE, 12 inch mixes disc, remastered LP, and we're at 7 discs already. $329 MSRP, boom, print 'em.

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Ndorphinmachina said:

What makes you think they wouldn't release SDEs for (almost) all his albums? I understand that they'd prioritise the albums with the most sales.

You answered your own question.

The end goal justify the means. If sales are their "priority"... why would they bother with anything below the potential "medium" grade sales mark? They're shakin' in their boots over Parade underselling so much they keep putting yet another SDE ahead of it when it's been finished for years.

WhisperingDandelions said:

BIGJAYRAFFAS said:

Ndorphinmachina said:

CDs cost pennys to produce. A SDE has a much higher margin than a single or double disc compilation. Personally I wouldn't object to a vault series which were tied to a specific album. That said, 5000 SDEs at £150 is £750,000. Vs 5000 single discs at £10 (£50,000) or doubles at £20 (100,000). While many fans have love for D&P. I doubt many would say it's their favourite album. If it warrants a SDE then there is a good case for a lot of others. Even if they were released in limited quantities. And/or accompanied by smaller vault compilations to appeal to those who don't want to spend hundreds of currency.

The Estate and honestly pretty much every modern label prioritizes vinyl over CD.

It surely seems wacky to those who figured vinyl was dead and buried in the 90s, but it's absolutely true.

The Prince SDEs are rare in that they even offer a CD version. So much stuff these days if it gets a physical release it's only vinyl.

Also so far 1999 was the only "limited quantity" release, which shows the kind of long-term planning they're operating under. His second biggest album ever and only those who pre-ordered were able to snag a copy like four years ago. Go figure.

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I love the Symbol album, I love the variety of songs . I think It a little under appreciated by us fans. I even love My Name Is Prince! I haven't been listening to Prince music hardly for a couple of years now. I was burned out, after years of only listening to Prince , or live concerts. My mojo seems to be coming back for Prince now. I think this release of DaP box set has fueled me back into Prince again!

The Prince Estate: best we can do is a 7CD + 1DB set, and we can't fill the vault CDs to the brim because otherwise their contents won't fit on the 5LP set with vault tracks. And we can't include all of the edits and remixes and B-sides because we only have a 2LP set for those. Price is $/€/£ 150 more or less, twice that for the vinyl version.

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Meanwhile Cherry Records: https://www.cherryred.co....n-box-set/ "Esoteric Recordings is proud to announce a new re-mastered super-deluxe expanded boxed set limited edition release (comprising 15 CDs and a DVD) of LIVE! IN THE AIR AGE by BE BOP DELUXE." Price: £90

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Funny how a label that *licenses* music from other record labels can afford to release a *15CD* (+ 1DVD) set which includes "AN ADDITIONAL 14 CDs FEATURING EVERY CONCERT RECORDED ON THE BE BOP DELUXE UK TOUR OF FEBRUARY & MARCH 1977 ALL NEWLY REMIXED FROM THE ORIGINAL MULTI-TRACK TAPES BY STEPHEN W. TAYLER". Plus a BBC Radio One session.

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But I'm guessing that's impossible for an estate which controls a massive vault of unreleased recordings and which has multi-million dollar deals with two major labels.

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The Prince Estate: the Dolby ATMOS mix of Prince's album is not included in the box set, you need to buy that seperately, and that disc only contains the stereo and the Dolby ATMOS mix. Also, the HiRes version of the stero mix is in 44/24, barely above regular CD quality.

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Meanwhile SDE: the Blu-ray audio release of a Tears For Fears album includes both a Dolby ATMOS and a 5.1 version, plus the stereo mix (in HiRes 96/24), plus an instrumental mix of the album (in HiRes 96/24), plus two previously unreleased outtakes we encountered on the master tapes which were newly mixed for this release (also included in HiRes 96/24). https://superdeluxeeditio...ray-audio/ .

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But hey, at least the D&P SDE comes with a book with essays, including one by... a "social media personality".

WhisperingDandelions said:

Dirty Mind and Parade first sucka lol

Ndorphinmachina said:

Like what? (Genuine question) I don't doubt there are some limited editions, and obscure releases that benefit from being released on vinyl only. But the flip side to that is piracy. CDs aren't going anywhere. Not just yet anyway

The Smashing Pumpkins have been putting out a bunch of archival "Vault" type releases on vinyl-only without CD or any digital version. Nine Inch Nails apparently haven't put a CD version out for some time, but they do vinyl. Google turned up some more obscure artists that do the same thing. It's pretty common/"the standard" with electronic genres.

bizzie said:

But hey, at least the D&P SDE comes with a book with essays, including one by... a "social media personality".

Apparently the next SDE is going to include a velvet bound copy of Casey Rain's how I became a superfan chronicles, volume 1.

lustmealways said:

lustmealways said:

The pumpkins releases are incredibly dumb as they're vinyl only and the last few have been shit no one cares about

I'm vaugely interested in lossless of b0z's pretentious tea shop synth jam sesh but not enough to make a needledrop to achieve it.

BIGJAYRAFFAS said:

I wonder about the possibility of a lovesymbol reissue this year, as we saw the one that sold on eBay and that it had 2023 on the pressing.... [Edited 8/24/23 11:33am]

Not!

...since Spicer annouced in a recent magazine interview that next year is goint to be a PR SDE revision.

Possibly they printed already more SDE test albums to see if it works,

and there will always be an employee or a worker in a record plant who steals a thing or two

and then puts it up on ebay or elsewhere for some stupid extra cash.

That doesn't mean anything to be honest.