paraded said:

If they are smart they release just the PR performance right now and mark it as the start of a yearlong celebration leading up to a SDE with the full First Avenue concert in soundboard quality and high res video.

good one

Waste of time on speculation.

They will announce what they announce when they announce.

I already know, it will more than likely be underwhemling.

paraded said:

I think it’s possible we might get a Special Edition of D&P or Love Symbol, similar to the Purple Rain Deluxe, and with similarly terrible mastering.

ooh you bring up actually a quite horrifying reality,

like....

no chance the new Estate believes paying for Bernie Grundman's mastering services is in the ole purple budget these days, right? Who did their Vol. 1 flashdrive? Will the credits for the next physical release indeed read "Mixed Charles Spicer, Mastered Charles Spicer"?

What would it take to go-fund-me back the Prince estate? Some of these famz must have money, them overpriced Purple Rain bed, bath and beyond sets must be selling to people out there...

Also doesn't Netflix own all live footage whatever in perpetuity until Estate approves the doc which they won't something or other? What was the contract the original Estate signed exactly?

This is why I kind of miss the Bart era because he'd yell at me right about now but at least it would be concrete. Bart, log-in with one of your alternate accounts plz, thx.

WhisperingDandelions said:

Also doesn't Netflix own all live footage whatever in perpetuity until Estate approves the doc which they won't something or other? What was the contract the original Estate signed exactly?

This is why I kind of miss the Bart era because he'd yell at me right about now but at least it would be concrete. Bart, log-in with one of your alternate accounts plz, thx.

He's already here on page 2

Gooddoctor23 said:

Waste of time on speculation.

They will announce what they announce when they announce.

I already know, it will more than likely be underwhemling.

Yes, it is a waste of time. That's a feature of this conversation, not a bug. We're trying to kill time while we wait for the next announcement. What else are we supposed to talk about?

Expressions such as "They'll announce it when they announce it" are empty, pointless and patronizing. Expressions such as that are a waste of time.

WhisperingDandelions said:

paraded said:

Yeah, my biggest fear is that anything they release will be in a compromised quality because no one involved might know enough about the highest quality mastering and tape transfers that are possible. They may just accept something at a lesser price and not quality control, thinking most people won’t tell the difference. I’d rather have second or even third tier material mastered really well than top shelf stuff done with poor attention to the mastering.

That mono track getting through (twice) does not bode well for the new Estate's releasing things at all.

Surely someone involved on some level must've noticed it, and surely if they did someone else was like, "they're not gonna care, what's the difference?"

WhisperingDandelions said:

paraded said:

Yeah, my biggest fear is that anything they release will be in a compromised quality because no one involved might know enough about the highest quality mastering and tape transfers that are possible. They may just accept something at a lesser price and not quality control, thinking most people won’t tell the difference. I’d rather have second or even third tier material mastered really well than top shelf stuff done with poor attention to the mastering.

That mono track getting through (twice) does not bode well for the new Estate's releasing things at all.

Surely someone involved on some level must've noticed it, and surely if they did someone else was like, "they're not gonna care, what's the difference?"

Or they are managing expectations by giving crap first and then when they release something slightly better all those creepy Famz will fawn over it as if it's the greatest thoing ever and probbaly post crap like 'See! they are learning to release better quality material' or 'See how they've learned from there mistakes.' and all that stuff.

bozojones said:

fredmagnus said:

bozojones said:

absolutely, and as I said before, the announcement will almost definitely be for something 2-3 months away at that point It's all about kicking the can further down the road with these assholes

Kicking the can further while at the same time giving us all the middle finger. #PFU2023 [Edited 8/15/23 8:43am]

#promiseskept

lurker316 said:

Gooddoctor23 said:

Waste of time on speculation.

They will announce what they announce when they announce.

I already know, it will more than likely be underwhemling.

Yes, it is a waste of time. That's a feature of this conversation, not a bug. We're trying to kill time while we wait for the next announcement. What else are we supposed to talk about?

Expressions such as "They'll announce it when they announce it" are empty, pointless and patronizing. Expressions such as that are a waste of time.

lol...I guess that settles that. Now what?

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Itll just be about the d+p release. But idk if im that excited about that tbh.

I haven't really been excited about the idea since it was first rumored almost two years ago as I have little interest in the D&P album as it is. But if the estate hadn't been usurped by complete morons, we could have had that and a Parade SDE along with who knows what else by now.

bozojones said:

bozojones said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

paraded said:

Yeah, my biggest fear is that anything they release will be in a compromised quality because no one involved might know enough about the highest quality mastering and tape transfers that are possible. They may just accept something at a lesser price and not quality control, thinking most people won’t tell the difference. I’d rather have second or even third tier material mastered really well than top shelf stuff done with poor attention to the mastering.

That mono track getting through (twice) does not bode well for the new Estate's releasing things at all.

Surely someone involved on some level must've noticed it, and surely if they did someone else was like, "they're not gonna care, what's the difference?"

It wasn't actually mono but it might as well have been. Basically whoever they got to mix it didn't bother to pan the instruments and just kept everything centred, which is a 100% amateur move. There are slight variances in the channels probably due to stereo mics being used for some tracks but nothing properly panned.

Raevene said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

That mono track getting through (twice) does not bode well for the new Estate's releasing things at all.

Surely someone involved on some level must've noticed it, and surely if they did someone else was like, "they're not gonna care, what's the difference?"

It wasn't actually mono but it might as well have been. Basically whoever they got to mix it didn't bother to pan the instruments and just kept everything centred, which is a 100% amateur move. There are slight variances in the channels probably due to stereo mics being used for some tracks but nothing properly panned.

Indeed.

Technically, it's a stereo track but they left every instrument right at the center of the pan which quite amazing

This is even more worrying for what's to come than "just" an encoding mistake.

AND i would add that there is a very poor mixing work on the 7 remix too. Who the fuck is the new sound engineer for doing such a newbie job ??

[Edited 8/16/23 2:48am]

fredmagnus said:

Raevene said:

It wasn't actually mono but it might as well have been. Basically whoever they got to mix it didn't bother to pan the instruments and just kept everything centred, which is a 100% amateur move. There are slight variances in the channels probably due to stereo mics being used for some tracks but nothing properly panned.

Indeed.

Technically, it's a stereo track but they left every instrument right at the center of the pan which quite amazing

This is even more worrying for what's to come than "just" an encoding mistake.

AND i would add that there is a very poor mixing work on the 7 remix too. Who the fuck is the new sound engineer for doing such a newbie job ??

[Edited 8/16/23 2:48am]

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Where the fuck do you lot get the idea that both these tracks are newly mixed? The estate should simply use the existing mixes and properly master those. If they're doing new mixes (like they did on most of Originals), then they should provide proper credits.

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But considering their incompetence, they really shouldn't be touching the multi-tracks and creating new mixes and presenting those as "unreleased Prince tracks", unless they can provide us with the original mixes which were the basis of these new mixes, but which couldn't be released becasue they only exist on lo-fi cassette tapes.

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In any cases, whatever the scenario, these two tracks show an incredible lack of technical acumen from whoever handled them -- and these people should be prohibited from touching anything.

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[Edited 8/16/23 5:08am]

bizzie said:

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Where the fuck do you lot get the idea that both these tracks are newly mixed?

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Dude. ENOUGH!
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I'm no moderator here but quite obviously it's been years (decades?) since the real moderators gave a damn about your total lack of manners. Can you carry a conversation as a human? If you can't, please shut up already. Damn.

ghostof82 said:

Appreciate 99% of you will have no interest in the music, but I'd love the Estate to look at a well-curated release such as this as an example of how it should be done (and reasonably priced, too)- https://superdeluxeeditio...y-reissue/ Bearing in mind Marc Almond is no superstar like Prince, considering how many SDE releases and anthology collections, live sets etc Almond has released over the past few years, it really puts the Estates performance in grim light.

What?! They even had teh nerve to put promo videos on this?!
The Estate, please take note!

I for one want any unreleased track properly mixed. Prince mixed or not.

And if they could release the live shows separate from the SDE sets this time. I mean they could still put DVDs on the set but at least put it on a streaming service too. Not everyone owns a DVD/Blu-Ray Player especially these days. I do believe it's good to own physical media just incase they take it down but people want the concerts directly online where they could just buy it and watch it. If they could put the shows on YT, Apple TV & Spotify like Syracuse 1985. And also put the officially released video shows on the streaming services, Live At The Forum, NYE 87 & The Summit 82'. Or better yet, bring back NPGMC and put it on there.

once an artist is dead, you will not be able to get it exactly as they envisioned (w/r/t mixing, engineering, etc etc). you cant expect it to be as prince hoped. half of the vault stuff was prob never fully completed for one thing. but thats okay, i accept this.

Kares said:

bizzie said:

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Where the fuck do you lot get the idea that both these tracks are newly mixed?

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Dude. ENOUGH!
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I'm no moderator here

Correct. You're not.
If you feel so strongly about a post, maybe you could hit the report button. The one remaining moderator this site has will probably see to it when he can and decide what to do, if anything.
Calling someone out about a lack of manners then proceeding to insult them in open forum doesn't make you look good. While you're at it, you could go through the countless other threads with comments that contain a lack of manners from people, myself included, and report them too.
I bid you good day.

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goodgod said: