WhisperingDandelions said:

Am3121 said:

Don't we already know about all the bad stuff prince has done?

We do, but the general Netflix audience only knows he wore a puffy Mozart shirt and sang "Purple Rain."

It's a valid concern that he could be "cancelled" or more likely "dragged on Twitter" for stuff like, oh, moving Mayte and Anna Fanastic into Paisley Park when they were 16/17 and counting the days until the clock struck midnight on the eve of their 18th.

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend anything bad Prince ever did. He has surely exploited his rockstar position and slept with as many women as he could – and there were always more than plenty who volunteered. He probably cheated on some of them too (unless he was open from the start of each relationship about not offering monogamy to anyone).
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But frankly, the fact that he was waiting on Mayte and Anna for them to turn 18 before he had sex with them sounds like a positive example compared to / as opposed to practically any rockstar before him who didn't even care.
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Besides, trying to cancel Prince just because he started relationships with two 16/17 year olds, but DID wait for them to turn 18 before they had sex (as opposed to countless rock stars before him who had sex with minors as young as 14) in a country that mostly still allows child marriage(!) is laughable. In a lot of states it is perfectly legal to marry a 16 year old, and some even allow even younger ones with special permission from the parents or a judge. So please don't even mention Prince until you get your house in order.
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Kares said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

We do, but the general Netflix audience only knows he wore a puffy Mozart shirt and sang "Purple Rain."

It's a valid concern that he could be "cancelled" or more likely "dragged on Twitter" for stuff like, oh, moving Mayte and Anna Fanastic into Paisley Park when they were 16/17 and counting the days until the clock struck midnight on the eve of their 18th.

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend anything bad Prince ever did. He has surely exploited his rockstar position and slept with as many women as he could – and there were always more than plenty who volunteered. He probably cheated on some of them too (unless he was open from the start of each relationship about not offering monogamy to anyone).
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But frankly, the fact that he was waiting on Mayte and Anna for them to turn 18 before he had sex with them sounds like a positive example compared to / as opposed to practically any rockstar before him who didn't even care.
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Besides, trying to cancel Prince just because he started relationships with two 16/17 year olds, but DID wait for them to turn 18 before they had sex (as opposed to countless rock stars before him who had sex with minors as young as 14) in a country that mostly still allows child marriage(!) is laughable. In a lot of states it is perfectly legal to marry a 16 year old, and some even allow even younger ones with special permission from the parents or a judge. So please don't even mention Prince until you get your house in order.
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I get you. Do not believe I'm advocating for him to be cancelled or casting my own personal judgments, I just keep it real. Society is a different place now, with completely different standards than your post is articulating--yours would have been a wildly progressive take in the 80s or 90s, it's now quite atavistic. The Michael Stivics of yesterday are the Archie Bunkers of today.

Like you got a point with rockstars and underage women historically--gen Z doesn't even have that stereotype anymore. The very idea would get them nautious. A grizzled NY construction worker cat-call would get them irate. And "cancel culture" only cuts slack for their favs--most of the young gen assumes they don't even like Prince because they buy into that Prince vs. MJ mythos and figure because they know tons of MJ songs and like 1 Prince song that they must be Team MJ. Prince is our fav, do not let that reality cloud you to the rest of society.

And they all have Netflix, and will be waiting with the pitchforks. The Estate apparently seems to agree, if they indeed refuse to approve the doc despite their refusal directly cutting into their potential cashflow of future/finished/shelved SDE's.

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WhisperingDandelions said:

And they all have Netflix, and will be waiting with the pitchforks. The Estate apparently seems to agree, if they indeed refuse to approve the doc despite their refusal directly cutting into their potential cashflow of future/finished/shelved SDE's.

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Anyway, the Netflix deal brought the Estate much much more cash that any SDE or other release would.

Nonetheless, at some point, Netflix will either ask for its money back or ask the Estate to let them put out the damn documentary.

TrevorAyer said:

prince wont be cancelled .. everyone that was gonna buy the SDEs is still gonna buy them

This. Young folks aren't going to collectively care enough about Prince to "cancel" him and any fear of that actually happening is silly and misguided. At worst, a small pocket of twitter users will be outraged for a few days and then move onto the next thing to be outraged about.

David Bowie did worse and wasn't cancelled. Chris Brown has done worse and still has a thriving career. The country singer who was caught on camera saying the N word a few years back has been topping charts ever since. I've said all of this in past threads and I'm sure it will fall on deaf ears yet again, but "cancel culture" is not the issue some of you think it is, and it's not gonna end Prince's legacy. Any online discourse about a celebrities flaws and wrong-doings is always outweighed by the amount of people who just want to enjoy art without giving a shit. Not saying it's always right or justified, just telling it like it is.

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Ndorphinmachina said:

fredmagnus said:

Supposedly, the documentary has been blocked by Prince Legacy LLC (not only Spicer) because it shows the dark side of Prince (women, use of painkillers,etc). Both sides can't get to an agreement on the content and they've been on a loop since then. No idea how long this mess could last.

That would make sense. However, it speaks to their (the estate's) incompetence if they agreed to let Netflix make a documentary without retaining the power to veto any content they didn't want in. To then also grant them exclusive access to footage (if that is indeed the case) What a bunch of goons. Doesn't McMillan consider himself an expert in this kind of thing?

Blame those lying idiots that were in charge before the other lying idiots took over for this.

bozojones said:

This. Young folks aren't going to collectively care enough about Prince to "cancel" him and any fear of that actually happening is silly and misguided. At worst, a small pocket of twitter users will be outraged for a few days and then move onto the next thing to be outraged about.

This is the only rational take and if you believe otherwise you have been drinking too much kool aid about cancel culture

muleFunk said:

Am3121 said:

What was the Netflix documentary suppose to be about again? I think I use to know when it was originally announced but it's been so long I have completely forgot Was it about the first avenue concert from 83?

It was supposed to be a multi part documentary focusing on the Eras of Prince. Then it changed.

Changed to what?

lustmealways said:

bozojones said:

This. Young folks aren't going to collectively care enough about Prince to "cancel" him and any fear of that actually happening is silly and misguided. At worst, a small pocket of twitter users will be outraged for a few days and then move onto the next thing to be outraged about.

This is the only rational take and if you believe otherwise you have been drinking too much kool aid about cancel culture

Is that 'Cancel Culture' fad still a thing in the US?

WhisperingDandelions said:

Kares said:

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend anything bad Prince ever did. He has surely exploited his rockstar position and slept with as many women as he could – and there were always more than plenty who volunteered. He probably cheated on some of them too (unless he was open from the start of each relationship about not offering monogamy to anyone).
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But frankly, the fact that he was waiting on Mayte and Anna for them to turn 18 before he had sex with them sounds like a positive example compared to / as opposed to practically any rockstar before him who didn't even care.
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Besides, trying to cancel Prince just because he started relationships with two 16/17 year olds, but DID wait for them to turn 18 before they had sex (as opposed to countless rock stars before him who had sex with minors as young as 14) in a country that mostly still allows child marriage(!) is laughable. In a lot of states it is perfectly legal to marry a 16 year old, and some even allow even younger ones with special permission from the parents or a judge. So please don't even mention Prince until you get your house in order.
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I get you. Do not believe I'm advocating for him to be cancelled or casting my own personal judgments, I just keep it real. Society is a different place now, with completely different standards than your post is articulating--yours would have been a wildly progressive take in the 80s or 90s, it's now quite atavistic. The Michael Stivics of yesterday are the Archie Bunkers of today.

Like you got a point with rockstars and underage women historically--gen Z doesn't even have that stereotype anymore. The very idea would get them nautious. A grizzled NY construction worker cat-call would get them irate.

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True, but I'm also talking about today's USA. I don't hear gen Z campaigning against child marriages, though it's still happening – not only to 16 year old girls, but in some cases 14 year olds too.
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JorisE73 said:

lustmealways said:

This is the only rational take and if you believe otherwise you have been drinking too much kool aid about cancel culture

Is that 'Cancel Culture' fad still a thing in the US?

If by "fad" you mean "made-up right-wing moral panic" then the answer is sorta.

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JorisE73 said:

lustmealways said:

This is the only rational take and if you believe otherwise you have been drinking too much kool aid about cancel culture

Is that 'Cancel Culture' fad still a thing in the US?

Just a few days ago some dude on a friend's Facebook post was wondering why Prince hadn't been cancelled because he "assaulted" Sinead O'Connor.... so I would say yes.

KlyphIsBackAgain said:

Just a few days ago some dude on a friend's Facebook post was wondering why Prince hadn't been cancelled because he "assaulted" Sinead O'Connor.... so I would say yes.

Alright. I've been waiting for something compelling enough to "jump in and join the conversation" about and that did it for me.

"Look at all these rumors surrounding me every day. I just needed some time, some time to get away from." "Stop spreading these rumors around. Stop spreading the lies".

It's way more feasible for me to believe that Sinead believed Prince assaulted HER VERSION of "Nothing Compares 2 U" rather than an actual fist fight physical assault. Even Prince called his songs children.

There is enough video and digital footage circulating right now that I'm sure many of us possess from TV appearances, not to mention clips from YouTube, etc. that we could do our very own documentary. I guess we're just lazy. It just seems to make more sense to do something creative on our own as "Fans" or whatever we think we are, and let the Estate handle any rights to content details if they happen to arise than the other way around.

There. I now contributed one of my pennies into the kitty.

Sincerely,

Alyssa James

ilocketalyssaVA said:

Alright. I've been waiting for something compelling enough to "jump in and join the conversation" about and that did it for me.

"Look at all these rumors surrounding me every day. I just needed some time, some time to get away from." "Stop spreading these rumors around. Stop spreading the lies".

It's way more feasible for me to believe that Sinead believed Prince assaulted HER VERSION of "Nothing Compares 2 U" rather than an actual fist fight physical assault. Even Prince called his songs children.

There is enough video and digital footage circulating right now that I'm sure many of us possess from TV appearances, not to mention clips from YouTube, etc. that we could do our very own documentary. I guess we're just lazy. It just seems to make more sense to do something creative on our own as "Fans" or whatever we think we are, and let the Estate handle any rights to content details if they happen to arise than the other way around.

There. I now contributed one of my pennies into the kitty.

Sincerely,

Alyssa James

The other thing nowadays is, should we have hundreds of posts as a response to one topic or hundreds of topics with one post? The "threads" app got me thinking about that.

dustoff said:

JorisE73 said:

Is that 'Cancel Culture' fad still a thing in the US?

If by "fad" you mean "made-up right-wing moral panic" then the answer is sorta.

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Conservative certainly overplay cancel culture, but at the same time, progressives who insists it's entirely made up have their heads in the sand. As with most things in life, the true is in the middle. Cancel culture may not be as bad as rightwingers suggests, but it is absoltely real.

Since we're talking about cancel culture, everyday they try to "cancel" Prince on twitter for "being homophic" but it's not working.

paisleyparkgirl said:

I don't know how you really "cancel" someone anyway. They don't cease living, existing, working, whatever. It's stupid. It's one thing to hold someone accountable, it's another to try and purposely destroy them because you're up in your feelings.

bozojones said:

paisleyparkgirl said:

Since we're talking about cancel culture, everyday they try to "cancel" Prince on twitter for "being homophic" but it's not working.

Who is "they"? Do you have any specific examples or did you just see somebody tweet about it once and now assume that tons of people are trying to cancel Prince? Just wondering.

More than one person, every other day, there's someone replying to a "hater" who thinks Prince hated gays.

TrivialPursuit said:

I don't know how you really "cancel" someone anyway. They don't cease living, existing, working, whatever. It's stupid. It's one thing to hold someone accountable, it's another to try and purposely destroy them because you're up in your feelings.

Especially if they're dead.

paisleyparkgirl said:

bozojones said:

paisleyparkgirl said: Who is "they"? Do you have any specific examples or did you just see somebody tweet about it once and now assume that tons of people are trying to cancel Prince? Just wondering.

More than one person, every other day, there's someone replying to a "hater" who thinks Prince hated gays.

And are these people saying that Prince should be erased from history and his music taken from streaming and online platforms, or are they just rightfully criticizing the guy for having shitty views on gay people during his Jehova's Witness years?

dustoff said:

JorisE73 said:

Is that 'Cancel Culture' fad still a thing in the US?

If by "fad" you mean "made-up right-wing moral panic" then the answer is sorta.

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It's not a left or right thing but these days it's mostly those lefty thought police wackjobs using it for everything they don't agree with or against people with a different opinion.
But evn if these weirdos want to cancel Prince for nothing, it's probably only these gullible confused people everybody laughs at so who cares in the end?

leecaldon said:

JorisE73 said:

dustoff said:

If by "fad" you mean "made-up right-wing moral panic" then the answer is sorta.

[Edited 7/13/23 9:28am]

It's not a left or right thing but these days it's mostly those lefty thought police wackjobs using it for everything they don't agree with or against people with a different opinion.
But evn if these weirdos want to cancel Prince for nothing, it's probably only these gullible confused people everybody laughs at so who cares in the end?

There might be a small pocket of leftists doing this online, but the far right is doing this shit over everything and anything that doesn't align with their small-minded views. Are you forgetting the whole "moral panic" over transgender folks, and right-wingers boycotting beer companies because they collaborated with a transgender model?

The difference is that at least when leftists go too far, at the end of the day, they're still trying to hold celebrities accountable for what is often hurtful behavior. Right-wingers just want to destroy marginalized people for existing as themselves. Clearly one side is worse than the other by far.

bozojones said:

JorisE73 said:

It's not a left or right thing but these days it's mostly those lefty thought police wackjobs using it for everything they don't agree with or against people with a different opinion.
But evn if these weirdos want to cancel Prince for nothing, it's probably only these gullible confused people everybody laughs at so who cares in the end?

There might be a small pocket of leftists doing this online, but the far right is doing this shit over everything and anything that doesn't align with their small-minded views. Are you forgetting the whole "moral panic" over transgender folks, and right-wingers boycotting beer companies because they collaborated with a transgender model?

The difference is that at least when leftists go too far, at the end of the day, they're still trying to hold celebrities accountable for what is often hurtful behavior. Right-wingers just want to destroy marginalized people for existing as themselves. Clearly one side is worse than the other by far.

No, they're two sides of the same coin. They're two insane cults trying to force their concept of morality on people and using their power to do so.

lurker316 said:

lurker316 said:

bozojones said:

There might be a small pocket of leftists doing this online, but the far right is doing this shit over everything and anything that doesn't align with their small-minded views. Are you forgetting the whole "moral panic" over transgender folks, and right-wingers boycotting beer companies because they collaborated with a transgender model?

The difference is that at least when leftists go too far, at the end of the day, they're still trying to hold celebrities accountable for what is often hurtful behavior. Right-wingers just want to destroy marginalized people for existing as themselves. Clearly one side is worse than the other by far.

No, they're two sides of the same coin. They're two insane cults trying to force their concept of morality on people and using their power to do so.

Thank you! One side is uptight delusional weirdos other side are confused delusional headcases. Which side is which is up to anyone to decide.

lurker316 said:

bozojones said:

There might be a small pocket of leftists doing this online, but the far right is doing this shit over everything and anything that doesn't align with their small-minded views. Are you forgetting the whole "moral panic" over transgender folks, and right-wingers boycotting beer companies because they collaborated with a transgender model?

The difference is that at least when leftists go too far, at the end of the day, they're still trying to hold celebrities accountable for what is often hurtful behavior. Right-wingers just want to destroy marginalized people for existing as themselves. Clearly one side is worse than the other by far.

No, they're two sides of the same coin. They're two insane cults trying to force their concept of morality on people and using their power to do so.

Nah, one side is far more militant and looking to do far more harm than the other, and it's not the left. Believe what you want to believe though.

muleFunk said: